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Yanks have mishandled Posada, in every way

Posted on: May 15, 2011 12:05 am
You don't embarrass your stars, even when they're fading.

You don't slap your stars in the face, even when they're wrong.

Jorge Posada was wrong to ask out of the lineup, from everything we can tell from Saturday's madness at Yankee Stadium. But the Yankees have been wrong on Posada all year.

They've mishandled this in almost every way possible, and it makes you wonder even more how the next 2 1/2 years will go with Derek Jeter.

And don't think Jeter hasn't noticed what the Yankees have done to his friend.

What exactly did they do?

First, they told him he would never, under any circumstances, catch so much as an inning -- or even a bullpen session. They had Gustavo Molina (.228 career batting average) catch three games, just so they could avoid putting Posada behind the plate. On opening day, manager Joe Girardi said that Posada would "probably" be his emergency catcher, ahead of utility infielder Eduardo Nunez.

Then, on Saturday, Girardi put the struggling Posada in the ninth spot in the batting order, for the first time in 12 years. Even with Posada's .165 average this year, it was such a drastic move that the only reason to do it would be to embarrass him.

Benching him would have been a better option. Tell everyone -- and tell him -- that you think he needs a few days away.

Don't drop him to ninth, on national television, with the Red Sox in town. Not unless your goal is to embarrass him.

I checked with a few people in baseball Saturday night, asking for their thoughts. And their thoughts were the same as my thoughts.

"To Posada, who has had a great career, it's a personal slap in the face to hit ninth," said one former big-league manager. "Hit [Brett] Gardner ninth. Girardi has to understand that Posada's got more friends on that team than [Girardi] does."

Yes, I know, Posada said publicly -- before and after the game -- that hitting ninth wasn't an issue, and that it wasn't why he asked out of the lineup.

I remember another proud player saying that being dropped in the batting order didn't bother him, then going up to the plate and telling everyone he would take three straight strikes (which he did).

My guess is that tempers will cool down and that Girardi and Posada will come to some sort of understanding, and that if Posada starts hitting he'll keep playing.

Girardi seemed to be heading in that direction after the game (a 6-0 loss to the Red Sox that dropped the Yankees out of a playoff position), to the point of saying that Posada told him in their brief pregame meeting that he just "needed a day."

"Sometimes we need a day to clear our head, and take a deep breath," Girardi said.

Posada also seemed to be heading towards mending fences. He also used the line about "needing time," although he inexplicably brought up the idea that his back was stiff.

But he also said, "I still want to be here. I love playing, and I love playing for this organization."

Posada saved his venom for general manager Brian Cashman, complaining that Cashman would choose to go on television to discuss the situation during the game.

"That's the way he works right now," Posada said.

Fortunately, a player-GM relationship isn't crucial, as the Rangers will tell you. Has it hurt them one bit that Michael Young doesn’t like Jon Daniels?

Yes, Young is hitting .351, not .165. But it's also true that Rangers manager Ron Washington has already had Young start 13 games in the field.

How a manager handles his stars, fading or otherwise, is absolutely crucial, because every other player in the clubhouse is watching. It's why Red Sox manager Terry Francona consistently stood behind David Ortiz during Ortiz's horrid starts the last two years.

Francona did drop Ortiz as far as seventh in the order, but he made sure Ortiz knew he was appreciated.

It's no surprise that it was Ortiz who said Saturday of the Yankees and Posada (according to the Boston Herald): "They're doing that guy wrong."

Ortiz is right, even if in this instance, Posada was wrong.

The Yankees have been doing that guy wrong.

He may be a fading star, but he's still a star.

And you don't embarrass your stars, even when they're fading.

Category: MLB

Since: Apr 10, 2011
Posted on: May 15, 2011 9:06 am

Yanks have mishandled Posada, in every way

Danny, we always seem to disagree....except maybe that Girardi is one of the worst managers in baseball.....if you are not been productive for yor team, with you are not helping your team win ball games, then step aside and give the chance to another player or bat 9th. Remember...this is a TEAM sport, this is not Jeter´s or Posada´s or A-Rod´s team....what they want or need will never be more important than what the Team needs....

EXAMPLE: Look at Tampa Bay.

Since: May 15, 2010
Posted on: May 15, 2011 9:04 am

Yanks have mishandled Posada, in every way

Sounds like some mishandling of the situation for sure, but Posada needs to tough it out.  I like the comments in the TImes and elsewhere about how Jeter has really improved (just ask my fantasy team about that) and now the focus is on Posada.  Right.  The Yankees have overpaid at least two of the 'Core Four,' and while some tact is certainly called for, people need to get real.  Girardi and Cashman are there to win championships, not coddle players who have been paid HUNDERDS of MILLIONS of dollars to adjust to the post-steroid era.  If Jorge wants to play more, hit better.  (As an aside, not sure how batting him ninth helps.  I'd keep Gardner there to lead up to Jeter.)  And taking yourself out of the lineup because you feel dis-respected is just bush.  Really.

I can't believe fans want the team to be nicer to these overapaid whiners at the expense of victories.  At least Pettite had the sense to retire at the right time.  That's what pride tells you, as difficult as the decision may be.

Since: May 15, 2011
Posted on: May 15, 2011 8:46 am

Yanks have mishandled Posada, in every way

I didn't see the article as being negative or critical to the Yankee organization.  But i maybe wrong.   The Red Sox....Fisk, Boggs, The Rocket, Fred Lynn....I seem to remember some stories regarding their treatment. 

Since: Nov 14, 2009
Posted on: May 15, 2011 8:45 am

Yanks have mishandled Posada, in every way

After hearing Posada was going to speak after the game I thought he was going to announce his immediate retirement.  I'm sure most people would like to "call in hurt" and get paid over $71G for just suiting up. I don't believe Cashman was right in talking with the media during the game.  The thing that was comical about the article is that Dan mentions the Yankees are out of "playoff position", this lunacy usually starts just before the All-Star game, it's MAY 15th!  There's a pretty good chance the Yankee wouldn't be mathematically eliminated on September 15th, only 4 MONTHS away.  Hey Dan, the Pirates could still be in the W.S. facing the Royals. Hope you get back from the Twilight Zone.

Since: May 15, 2011
Posted on: May 15, 2011 8:41 am

Yanks have mishandled Posada, in every way

How can you miss the idea of the article by such a wide margin?

It is about respect.  The simple point of the article is that there is a right way too do something and a wrong way.  That holds true whether you are a professional baseball player, a paper pusher in a busy office, a high school teacher, or a plumber in New Jersey.  If your bosses are clueless and demonstrate no idea of the concept of "respect", than you find another job.  I have no problem with Jorge's statement.  

You will never understand, but then again, someone once told me you can't teach stupid.  Your last year playing baseball probably was a rec league when you were 15.  Or maybe you just can't read.  Or maybe you are just a clueless boss.

PS:Crawford sucks.

Since: Apr 9, 2009
Posted on: May 15, 2011 8:32 am


Knobler,your claim that Posada was moved to ninth in the order only to embarrass him makes you the embarrassment.
He's hitting .165,he deserves to hit in the ninth position.

Since: Aug 4, 2009
Posted on: May 15, 2011 8:28 am

Yanks have mishandled Posada, in every way

i couldnt read the whole article.  my stomach was getting queazy.  i just hope it was sarcasm.  what a spoiled, selfish OLD brat!  take your ball and go home.

i never hated on the yankees' spending, but look what it has done to the players.  jeter, thinking he deserves 16 mil is a joke, he needs to be slapped in the face. 

its embarrassing to hit 9th?  what about the guys who hit 9th every night?  what about the fans that would give thier first born to bat 9th?  what is embarrassing is the fans and "sports writers" who choose to back up a--holes like that.  it is obvious that he has no respect for his team mates who are hitting better than him.  and just by not playing shows that he has no respect for his employers, his fans, or the game itself.

Since: May 15, 2010
Posted on: May 15, 2011 8:27 am

Yanks have mishandled Posada, in every way

You nailed it.  Thanks.

Since: Feb 18, 2011
Posted on: May 15, 2011 8:07 am

Yanks have mishandled Posada, in every way

How have the Yanks "slapped" Posada in the face?  he sucks, he bats ninth, end of story.  That is what you do with bad players.  Jeter should be lucky he is batting 1st and not 7th or 8th like he would on any of the 29 other teams in MLB.  I don't get why the Yankee media and fans think that just because a player WAS great in the PAST that they still deserve the money they made in their prime despite dramatic drop offs in production, and that they should bat in the same spot they have batted in their whole career.  Carl Crawford batting 8th in Boston is more of a slap in the face move to me (if I would have to pick one, but see my previous statement about struggling players and batting order).  Crawford is in the prime of his career and had a bad month.  Jeter and Posada are fossils and are still treated by the fans and media like they put up the same numbers they did in 2000.  Eric Chavez used to be a GG 3B and an AS.  How dare the yanks use him as a bench player.  He deserves better.... pathetic.

Since: Mar 9, 2007
Posted on: May 15, 2011 7:46 am

Yanks have mishandled Posada, in every way

For all you people who bring up how much he makes and if you made that much you would clean all LIE!!!  If you were a major league player that had played every day and people screamed your name your ego would be large.  No true pro thinks his skills are fading and they get pissed when others tell them their skills are fading.  You would do the exact same, and if you tell me you wouldn't because you make 70K a never played sports beyond little league.

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