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Yanks have mishandled Posada, in every way

Posted on: May 15, 2011 12:05 am
You don't embarrass your stars, even when they're fading.

You don't slap your stars in the face, even when they're wrong.

Jorge Posada was wrong to ask out of the lineup, from everything we can tell from Saturday's madness at Yankee Stadium. But the Yankees have been wrong on Posada all year.

They've mishandled this in almost every way possible, and it makes you wonder even more how the next 2 1/2 years will go with Derek Jeter.

And don't think Jeter hasn't noticed what the Yankees have done to his friend.

What exactly did they do?

First, they told him he would never, under any circumstances, catch so much as an inning -- or even a bullpen session. They had Gustavo Molina (.228 career batting average) catch three games, just so they could avoid putting Posada behind the plate. On opening day, manager Joe Girardi said that Posada would "probably" be his emergency catcher, ahead of utility infielder Eduardo Nunez.

Then, on Saturday, Girardi put the struggling Posada in the ninth spot in the batting order, for the first time in 12 years. Even with Posada's .165 average this year, it was such a drastic move that the only reason to do it would be to embarrass him.

Benching him would have been a better option. Tell everyone -- and tell him -- that you think he needs a few days away.

Don't drop him to ninth, on national television, with the Red Sox in town. Not unless your goal is to embarrass him.

I checked with a few people in baseball Saturday night, asking for their thoughts. And their thoughts were the same as my thoughts.

"To Posada, who has had a great career, it's a personal slap in the face to hit ninth," said one former big-league manager. "Hit [Brett] Gardner ninth. Girardi has to understand that Posada's got more friends on that team than [Girardi] does."

Yes, I know, Posada said publicly -- before and after the game -- that hitting ninth wasn't an issue, and that it wasn't why he asked out of the lineup.

I remember another proud player saying that being dropped in the batting order didn't bother him, then going up to the plate and telling everyone he would take three straight strikes (which he did).

My guess is that tempers will cool down and that Girardi and Posada will come to some sort of understanding, and that if Posada starts hitting he'll keep playing.

Girardi seemed to be heading in that direction after the game (a 6-0 loss to the Red Sox that dropped the Yankees out of a playoff position), to the point of saying that Posada told him in their brief pregame meeting that he just "needed a day."

"Sometimes we need a day to clear our head, and take a deep breath," Girardi said.

Posada also seemed to be heading towards mending fences. He also used the line about "needing time," although he inexplicably brought up the idea that his back was stiff.

But he also said, "I still want to be here. I love playing, and I love playing for this organization."

Posada saved his venom for general manager Brian Cashman, complaining that Cashman would choose to go on television to discuss the situation during the game.

"That's the way he works right now," Posada said.

Fortunately, a player-GM relationship isn't crucial, as the Rangers will tell you. Has it hurt them one bit that Michael Young doesn’t like Jon Daniels?

Yes, Young is hitting .351, not .165. But it's also true that Rangers manager Ron Washington has already had Young start 13 games in the field.

How a manager handles his stars, fading or otherwise, is absolutely crucial, because every other player in the clubhouse is watching. It's why Red Sox manager Terry Francona consistently stood behind David Ortiz during Ortiz's horrid starts the last two years.

Francona did drop Ortiz as far as seventh in the order, but he made sure Ortiz knew he was appreciated.

It's no surprise that it was Ortiz who said Saturday of the Yankees and Posada (according to the Boston Herald): "They're doing that guy wrong."

Ortiz is right, even if in this instance, Posada was wrong.

The Yankees have been doing that guy wrong.

He may be a fading star, but he's still a star.

And you don't embarrass your stars, even when they're fading.

Category: MLB

Since: Sep 27, 2006
Posted on: May 15, 2011 2:58 am

Yanks have mishandled Posada, in every way

>>>I remember another proud player saying that being dropped in the batting order didn't bother him, then going up to the plate and telling everyone he would take three straight strikes (which he did).

Are you talking about Manny Ramirez who quit on his team and thereby earned their disgust? Whoever you're talking about, what a child.

If Posada is hitting only .165, he can't seriously expect to keep batting 4th for the Yankees, can he? The Mariners have to settle for that because they've got no one better, but the Yankees?

If Posada won't bat 9th, then he needs to retire. Or ask for a trade to the Mariners.

Since: Aug 17, 2006
Posted on: May 15, 2011 2:37 am

Yanks have mishandled Posada, in every way

Honestly, I think everyone is overreacting.  Okay, Posada is at .165.  That's terrible.  But if he plays the whole season out will he end with .165? No.  I am not saying he will finish .300, although he could, but I am saying he will certainly get the average up.  And don't overlook the fact that he has 6 homers and 15 RBI.  Not AMAZING, but he would be on pace for about a 30 HR 75 RBI season.  Even if that only came with a .220 batting average, those are still decent power numbers.  If he was batting .165 with 1 HR 6 RBI or something, then I'd be really concerned, but that's not the case.

I realize he's old and all that, but I am just not a fan of giving up on a player after 20, 30, 40, even 50 games into a season.  If the guy has always been a scrub, then yeah bench him and let someone else hit.  But if you're talking about a guy that has been solid in the past and done a lot for your team, then you give him at least half of a season to come around.  I'm not a Yankees fun, just being honest. 

With my team, the Indians, people wanted to give up on Choo when he was batting .120 after the first 15 games.  I told fans to calm down, he'd be up to .220 by game 30, .250-.275 by mid season or even back into the .300 range.  You can't give up on guys.  Sometimes you start slow.

Since: Feb 27, 2008
Posted on: May 15, 2011 1:57 am

Yanks have mishandled Posada, in every way

This whole writing articles thing must be your side-job while you wait for the prequel reboot of back to the future so you can audition for a young Doc Brown.  You shame journalism.

Since: Feb 27, 2008
Posted on: May 15, 2011 1:56 am

Yanks have mishandled Posada, in every way

Hey Knobler, this may the dumbest shit I've ever read in my entire life - and I've read a lot of stuff from this site.  But this, it's the dumbest shit in the history of baseball sports writing.  Seriously, play a lick of baseball before you open your mouth about it, please.  Moving people around the lineup, even to the 9 spot, is a part of the friggin game.  Posada is just a whiny, pansy POS has-been who can't grasp the idea of his skills leaving him with age.  The Sox moved Crawford to the 8 spot.  It was done to help the team, and maybe remove some pressure from Crawford while he gets his game turned around.  Why does Posada think he is any better?  Batting below two-hun and removing himself from the game when he is put in the bottom of the order?  Who does he think he is?  Who do you think he is?  No player is bigger than the organization, especially not a fading catcher. 

You're a tool, please stop writing.

Since: Feb 22, 2009
Posted on: May 15, 2011 1:55 am

Yanks have mishandled Posada, in every way

Last I checked, professional sports were about winning. Posada cant and isnt helping the Yanks win, well then, it is what it is. Period. End of story.

Since: Feb 25, 2008
Posted on: May 15, 2011 1:46 am

Yanks have mishandled Posada, in every way

I wouldnt start posada if he was batting .165 also, i wouldnt even spot start him, i dont care that he played his whole career there the yanks did him a favor resigning him cause no one else wanted him, there are his employeer not his friend, stop kissing the yankees ass u bald headed jackass

Since: Nov 9, 2008
Posted on: May 15, 2011 1:43 am

Yanks have mishandled Posada, in every way

Posada is a whiny beeatch with a huge sense of entitlement. Keep quiet Posada and play wherevenr you're put, or give your salary back and go home. The fans are tired of whiny sports stars like you.

Since: May 12, 2009
Posted on: May 15, 2011 1:43 am

Yanks have mishandled Posada, in every way

Posada and Girardi have never gotten along. goes back to when they played together. Girardi tried to embarress Jorge, so jorge decide to stick it to Girardi. Hey Girardi as much as you might want it to be different Jorge was a great Yankees catcher and you werent. get over it. You dont treat a man who has given everything to this organization this way!!!!!

Since: Dec 19, 2010
Posted on: May 15, 2011 1:17 am
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Since: Jul 11, 2010
Posted on: May 15, 2011 1:12 am

Yanks have mishandled Posada, in every way

Give me a break!! Treating him unfairly? The fact that they haven't cut him tells me that they are bending over backwards for the this wash-up, egotistic, overrated hack!!!
It kills me when someone is performing SO BADLY and they complain that they aren't be treated fairly. What are you making this year Mr. .65? About $10mil?? I wish someone would disrespect me like that! Really, I will be happy to bat ninth.

The fact that they told him that he would not catch an inning speaks volumes about what they think of his catching ability, now he is a .165 DH. I wish the Yankees would play him at catcher and bat him fourth. After the 14 games losing streak, do you think the fans, even Jeter would have his back then?

HorHay, shut up and play, or better yet, pack up your bags and retire. YOu don't deserve to be pulling a paycheck, even if it is from the Evil Empire and Darth Hank's pockets.

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