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Is Yanks rotation a problem? Only against Sox

Posted on: June 8, 2011 11:43 pm
Edited on: June 9, 2011 11:37 am
 
NEW YORK -- The Yankee rotation looks fine against the A's, the Mariners and the Angels. The Yankee rotation looked fine against the Mets.

In eight games this year against the Red Sox, the Yankee rotation has an 8.20 ERA.

Is the Yankee rotation the problem so many warned it would be?

For weeks, it doesn't seem to be. For weeks, the Yankees pitch enough -- and hit enough -- to look like a legitimate challenger to Boston as the best team in the American League (and maybe the best team in baseball).

And then they face the Red Sox again.

In the three weeks between Boston series, Yankee starters had a 3.23 collective ERA. In the 10 days they spent on the weak-hitting West Coast, Yankee starters were even better, with a 2.72 ERA.

Then Freddy Garcia couldn't get out of the second inning Tuesday night. And A.J. Burnett, who the Yankees signed in large part because he was great against the Red Sox, was his now-usual awful self against them in Wednesday's 11-6 Red Sox win.

Burnett has an 8.71 ERA in eight winless starts against the Sox as a Yankee. Amazingly, he has allowed at least eight runs in four of those eight games.

But Burnett couldn't beat the Red Sox in 2009, either. And the Yankees couldn't beat the Red Sox in the first half of 2009.

They're 1-7 against Boston now. They were 0-8 against Boston then, and Johnny Damon said that night, "Our day is going to come. Our team's good enough."

Their day did come. Their team was good enough.

They won the World Series, and even though Burnett never did beat the Red Sox, he won some important October games on the way to that title.

That night, when the Yankees fell to 0-8 against the Sox in 2009, I wrote that they didn't look like Boston's equal. By the end of the year, that Yankee team proved me wrong.

This time, I'm only saying that right now, the Yankee rotation seems to get exposed when they face the one team in the league most capable of exposing it.

And I'm saying that if the Yankees' day is going to come, that rotation is still going to need to prove it is good enough.


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Since: May 13, 2011
Posted on: June 9, 2011 4:38 pm
 

Is Yanks rotation a problem? Only against Sox

the weasel has struck again he traded melancon to the astros who has a 1.7 era and is one of the best closers in the game as well as kennedy one of the best young starters in the game he traded kurstens and tabata for nagy and a great prospect to the braves for vasquez alas the weasel is all to quick to get credit for any of their championships but that credit goes to stick michael who built the team before the weasel arrived and to the commissioner who suspended the fat boss thus disabling him from trading away the prospects that formed the nucleas of the championship teams a close look at the weasel's tenure will reveal that the weasel has yet to make a good trade



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: June 9, 2011 3:23 pm
 

Is Yanks rotation a problem? Only against Sox

MikeD.  While these beatdowns of the Yanks are impressive, the Sox have some rotation issues of their own.  I believe this is the Sox division to lose, but I think they need a bit more consistency out of the rotation to say they are clearly "the cream of the crop".  I wouldn't count out the Rays yet, and the Yanks always have something up their sleeve (although the SP market is slim this year).  It is a long season.  The Yankees were done 2 years ago when the Sox won the first 8, and they went on to win the World Series.  Do I think we are going tos ee that this year?  No.  Just saying it is a long season and injuries and streaks can cause crazy things to happen.


I agree with you -- the Sox's rotation is suspect as well.  They are dealing with injuries too.  In the playoffs though -- No one will touch the Sox.  Beckett, Bucholtz and Lester is a fine rotation to go to the playoffs with.  In the playoffs -- teams don't use a 5 man rotation and many don't even use 4 man rotations.

I'm not saying the Sox are going to have a walkover to the World Series.  I just don't think the Yankees have the pitching staff or the team to beat them.  Texas is probably the team with the best chance to take them down.  The addition of AGon and Crawford to already potent lineup isn't even fair.  If they stay healthy -- they will win the AL East by 6 or 7 games.

You have to remember -- This is the same Sox team that started 2-10.  They are 33-16 since then and have the top record in the AL now.  As Crawford continues to hit -- they are only going to get better. 

I think the Yankees have had great teams for many years and this isn't taking a shot at the Yankee fans, but they aren't getting any younger.  ARod and Jeter are signed till they are in their 40's.  Both contracts are brutal.  Posada is over the hill.  They have a 200 million dollar payroll and their leading hitter is batting .278.  That's a joke.  They have turned into an all or nothing team.  If they are hitting homeruns -- they are winning.  When they don't -- they lose.

NY still has too much talent not to make the playoffs and their weak pitching staff is fine when they aren't playing the top teams.  Come playoff time though -- that staff will get wiped out having to play Boston or Texas.  After CC -- it falls off drastically.



Since: Oct 13, 2009
Posted on: June 9, 2011 12:19 pm
 

Is Yanks rotation a problem? Only against Sox

MikeD.  While these beatdowns of the Yanks are impressive, the Sox have some rotation issues of their own.  I believe this is the Sox division to lose, but I think they need a bit more consistency out of the rotation to say they are clearly "the cream of the crop".  I wouldn't count out the Rays yet, and the Yanks always have something up their sleeve (although the SP market is slim this year).  It is a long season.  The Yankees were done 2 years ago when the Sox won the first 8, and they went on to win the World Series.  Do I think we are going tos ee that this year?  No.  Just saying it is a long season and injuries and streaks can cause crazy things to happen.



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: June 9, 2011 12:14 pm
 

Is Yanks rotation a problem? Only against Sox

I bet the Yankees wouldn't mind having Phil Coke back to pitch against the Red Sox -- He shut them out over 7 innings in his only start against Boston.

NY HAS to find another lefty if they want to stand a chance in beating Boston in a 7 game series.  After CC -- the rest of the Yankees rotation will get torched by Boston. 

Not to rain on the Yankees parade, but Boston is the cream of the crop in the AL East and will be for quite some time.  Adrian Gonzalez is going to be a MONSTER for years to come.  You see what their offense is like once Crawford got going.  The only thing that will slow down the Red Sox is injuries.




Since: Jun 8, 2011
Posted on: June 9, 2011 8:43 am
 

Is Yanks rotation a problem? Only against Sox

There are many ways to fix the rotation and one of them would be to pull off a big trade. The giants are desperate for a catcher that has some pop since Buster Posey went down. The Yankees do have Cervelli who might not fetch much but Montero and Romine in the minors are the same age and both would be looking to come up at the same time. Maybe it is time to part with one in exchange for a starter and San Fran does have some starters that could be of interest.



Since: Oct 22, 2009
Posted on: June 9, 2011 7:24 am
 

Is Yanks rotation a problem? Only against Sox

Rotation is inconsistent. Although Burnett has had some very good starts, last night he had nothing going. Surprised he went as long as he did. Had no cotrol of his curve and the Red Sox were waiting for his fast ball and made him pay. The two errors by Cervelli ? horrible. Joba now on the DL. Granted every pitcher is going to have some lousy starts but have to agree that you have to ask how far into the season will Garcia and Colon go ?  Hughes wont be back until July. I cant figure out why Betances hasnt been called up. He pitched really well in spring training. Yankees have not taken advantage of a schedule with so many home games early in the year and clearly need to get going against the top A.L. teams.



Since: Jul 17, 2008
Posted on: June 9, 2011 7:02 am
 

Is Yanks rotation a problem? Only against Sox

The analysts have it right. You need lefties against the Sox, and the Yankees don't have that. But, that said, when yoy play bone-headed(the throw from Cervelli that went thru Cano and Jeter, and Gardner not running home on that passed ball) you won't beat anyone.



Since: Sep 1, 2009
Posted on: June 9, 2011 5:34 am
 

Is Yanks rotation a problem? Only against Sox

That 2009 team was clearly better than this one-and I write as a Red Sox fan.

The current Yankee model relies far too heavily on the home run, and I wonder how well Garcia and Colon, well as they've pitched, will hold up as teams adjust. If they have to rely on CC Sabathia pitching eight-plus innings every time out to give the bullpen an off day, they'll be no better off than the teams under Joe Torre were towards the end. The bullpen isn't the calibre it was in the early-mid 2000s.


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