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Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses

Posted on: November 30, 2011 9:11 pm
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For all the talk about how Bobby Valentine can change the Red Sox, let's remember that he's taking over a team that spent 4 1/2 months as the best team in baseball.

"He fell into a bed of roses," another big-league manager said Wednesday, the day the Red Sox made it official that Valentine will take over as their new manager.

Valentine will try to avoid the thorns. The Red Sox front office gets to spend the next couple of months finding a few more roses.

It can't be any harder (or as time-consuming) as finding a new manager, right?

Besides, the Sox got a good long look at what needs to be done, in the form of September's painful collapse.

The problem is that we're now two months into Boston's offseason, and rather than get a start on fixing what's wrong on the roster, the Red Sox added to their issues by losing free-agent closer Jonathan Papelbon to the Phillies.

Somewhere, the Red Sox will find a new closer. One rival official predicted Wednesday that the Sox will be the team that ends up trading for Andrew Bailey, the very-available A's right-hander.

But where will the Sox find two or more new starting pitchers?

If there was one biggest key to sinking the Sox in September -- yes, bigger than clubhouse beer and fried chicken -- it was the failure to find or develop enough rotation depth. Aces Josh Beckett and Jon Lester were subpar in the final month, and Clay Buchholz was hurt, but the Sox were forced to use the overmatched Kyle Weiland or the over-age Tim Wakefield to start far too many games.

The Red Sox also need another outfielder. No, they need a right-handed hitting outfielder.

Boston's collapse was mostly pitching-driven, but Kevin Youkilis' injury also left the Red Sox lineup far too weak against left-handed pitching. The Red Sox tried to add a right-handed hitter at the July 31 deadline last summer, but couldn't get it done (just as they couldn't add enough pitching depth).

More roster depth all-around wouldn't hurt. One scout who saw the Red Sox in September said Wednesday that he was surprised by how much the team seemed to be affected, offensively and defensively, by the Youkilis injury.

The problems are obvious. The solutions are out there, and maybe front-office power-broker Larry Lucchino and general manager Ben Cherington won't have as hard a time agreeing on the answers as they did on a manager.

Just remember that the Red Sox are fixing a team that is already one of baseball's very best, despite what you saw in September (and despite the chaos you've seen since then).

"They're loaded," the rival manager said.

Yes, they are.
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Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: December 3, 2011 7:56 am
 

Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses

-105.That sounds about right.



Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: December 3, 2011 7:51 am
 

Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses

I've been a Red Sox fan since 1966 so I've survived all the disappointments over the years.Nevertheless, this years team simply didn't appear to be giving 100% from game 1.In my opinion, they read too much about how great they would be & then waited for it to happen.It's too bad Francona had to be made the scapegoat for this lazy, highly over-paid team.Even after the teams of '75,'86 & others wound up being losers, at least at the end of the year you felt like you got your moneys worth.I ussually attend a half a dozen or so games every year until this one.It was obvious just by watching the games on TV that this team was waiting for the next guy to get it done.This simply isn't a likeable team.If they had played as hard as the Blue Jays or TB, this team could have won it all.

That having been said, they did win 90 games, the exact amount of games the WS champs won, without even trying.If everyone of these prima donna's did their job to the best of their abilitie's, it wouldn't be hard to win another 10 games.Valentine did indeed fall into a bed of roses.I don't expect him to manage for more than 3 years, but I do expect him to make the best of it.He doesn't have to be pals with any of these players;He just has to make them do their jobs i.e.This team needs a babysitter because they all(Expect Ellsbury & Pedroia)behaved like children who raised hell once mom & dad went out.

These players only have so many years to have a winning career & this team gave away 2011 almost as if it didn't matter.Too many of them considered fat paychecks to be a winning career & winning games came in second place.I hope Bobby Valentine makes 'em all mad, even if it means calling them out publicly after a bad game.If I was 61 & had this team handed to me I would settle for nothing but a 100 win season.Since I'm not I'll watch 'em on TV, but I'm not spending a dime to bring my family to any of their games.



Since: Sep 29, 2008
Posted on: December 2, 2011 9:35 am
 

Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses

They are? What a bunch of hacks. Just how loaded are we you idiots? Is Clay healthy? Is Carl mentally healthy? Will Adrian ever hit a meaningful HR *because he hasn't yet in his whole number filled career), will Beckett not be knock-kneed due to his being such a fat-ass? Will Lester finally have some endurance or did his bout with the big C do him in for good as far as going longetr than 5 ip goes? How about our bench and our minor league system? Where is the young power and speed? Epstein was an arrogant jerk and he left this team with a huge payroll and a bunch of mis-matched players. September baseball is rather important Miller so if you don't mind I won't ignore the fact that they went 7-27 in the most important stretch of the year. Rather, I will look at that time as when our many weaknesses were exposed. You should thank me for doing your job but I guess I'll have to be satisfied with doing your....



Since: Dec 13, 2006
Posted on: December 1, 2011 5:49 pm
 

Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses

dont remember when mets were picked to win it all , (lost to yanks in world series when yanks were winning 4 out of 5 ) but no popeye , never was a met team since mid-80"s predicted to WIN IT ALL !!!!



Since: Feb 10, 2007
Posted on: December 1, 2011 5:12 pm
 

Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses

Like the Bobby V. signing.   Sox rotation can be easily fixed.  Becket, Lester, Buchholz are your top 3  ...  with money saved on Drew, Cameron, and Papelbon they can sign a top FA starter or go after Darvish.  For the #5, convert Bard to starter and see what he can give you.  That would be a very formitable roation.   As for the BP ... trade for Bailey and make him ur closer and let Aceves be the setup man.   That would be a solid 1-2 punch in the BP and then the Sox can fill in the rest of the BP accordingly.   As for the offense, with Youk back, this is a powerful lineup.  Big Papi most likely is back as the DH ... so that really on leaves RF.    The Sox could go after that Cuban defector at that point or let Kalish and Reddick fight it out in spring training.  Either way, it's not a big problem given that the Sox offense was already pretty good.   Sox will be back in contention and will not have broken the bank to do it.  GO SOX!!!



Since: Jun 6, 2008
Posted on: December 1, 2011 4:19 pm
 

Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses

Poopeye, The FACTS are that many credible baseball people with firsthand knowledge of Bob V's intelligence and managerial experience hold him in high regard as a manager. As far as empirical evidence, we'll just have to wait and see. Cheers.



Since: Feb 12, 2009
Posted on: December 1, 2011 3:49 pm
 

Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses


Then by your facts, Joe Maddon isn't very good because he never won a World Series either. I




Mattlee- I forgot to mention Joe Maddon.  There is really not a real comparsion between Valentine and Maddon.  Maddon came in 1st place twice with Tampa Bay and was Manager of the Year, twice.  So comparing the two men's record is like comparing apples and oranges.  Joe Maddon was by far, the superior in coaching results.  Also to his ability, he had a lot smaller payroll than the Mets and was in a tougher division also.  Valentine is not even in Maddon's league as far as coaching ability.



Since: Feb 12, 2009
Posted on: December 1, 2011 3:42 pm
 

Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses


Then by your facts, Joe Maddon isn't very good because he never won a World Series either. I guess the team they're managing doesn't matter. I do know that the Mets did better than expected when Bobby Valentine took over



People only remember winners, I don't remember who came in runner up or second place last year.  For goodness sakes,Valentine never, never came in 1st place.  And there were years that they were picked to win.  Do you remember those years???  I do.

Sure Mets did better for a few years when he took over, but did they win when they were picked to win?????



Since: Sep 27, 2006
Posted on: December 1, 2011 3:26 pm
 

Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses

Popeye 47,

Then by your facts, Joe Maddon isn't very good because he never won a World Series either. I guess the team they're managing doesn't matter. I do know that the Mets did better than expected when Bobby Valentine took over I also know the Japanese teams he took over did better than they were supposed to.

I would rather have a manager who improves teams over one who was given a break and got to coach a winner from day one. Joe Torre was a winner because he was blessed to coach the Yankees. Doesn't mean he'd of done as well managing another team. I doubt he'd of made the Rays win the World Series.



Since: Feb 12, 2009
Posted on: December 1, 2011 3:12 pm
 

Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses


Leiter, Piazza, Williams head a list of credible PLAYERS who laud Valentine as a manager. Two previous owners also give him rave reviews.  Do you morons really think you know more than they do? C'mon folks, your rampant nay-saying is ill placed and even mor ill-thought out. I'm thinking jealousy runs rampant. This is baseball, not high school.



eggslab-  Everyone has a opinion.  How about facts.  Valentine has never had a team finish FIRST in the MLB.  And that is for 15 years.  It is not nay-saying when the facts back you up.  It is not jealousy but facts.  Now do you have any FACTS not OPINIONS to back up your point.  If not, then.......


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