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Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses

Posted on: November 30, 2011 9:11 pm
 
For all the talk about how Bobby Valentine can change the Red Sox, let's remember that he's taking over a team that spent 4 1/2 months as the best team in baseball.

"He fell into a bed of roses," another big-league manager said Wednesday, the day the Red Sox made it official that Valentine will take over as their new manager.

Valentine will try to avoid the thorns. The Red Sox front office gets to spend the next couple of months finding a few more roses.

It can't be any harder (or as time-consuming) as finding a new manager, right?

Besides, the Sox got a good long look at what needs to be done, in the form of September's painful collapse.

The problem is that we're now two months into Boston's offseason, and rather than get a start on fixing what's wrong on the roster, the Red Sox added to their issues by losing free-agent closer Jonathan Papelbon to the Phillies.

Somewhere, the Red Sox will find a new closer. One rival official predicted Wednesday that the Sox will be the team that ends up trading for Andrew Bailey, the very-available A's right-hander.

But where will the Sox find two or more new starting pitchers?

If there was one biggest key to sinking the Sox in September -- yes, bigger than clubhouse beer and fried chicken -- it was the failure to find or develop enough rotation depth. Aces Josh Beckett and Jon Lester were subpar in the final month, and Clay Buchholz was hurt, but the Sox were forced to use the overmatched Kyle Weiland or the over-age Tim Wakefield to start far too many games.

The Red Sox also need another outfielder. No, they need a right-handed hitting outfielder.

Boston's collapse was mostly pitching-driven, but Kevin Youkilis' injury also left the Red Sox lineup far too weak against left-handed pitching. The Red Sox tried to add a right-handed hitter at the July 31 deadline last summer, but couldn't get it done (just as they couldn't add enough pitching depth).

More roster depth all-around wouldn't hurt. One scout who saw the Red Sox in September said Wednesday that he was surprised by how much the team seemed to be affected, offensively and defensively, by the Youkilis injury.

The problems are obvious. The solutions are out there, and maybe front-office power-broker Larry Lucchino and general manager Ben Cherington won't have as hard a time agreeing on the answers as they did on a manager.

Just remember that the Red Sox are fixing a team that is already one of baseball's very best, despite what you saw in September (and despite the chaos you've seen since then).

"They're loaded," the rival manager said.

Yes, they are.
Comments

Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: December 1, 2011 2:09 pm
 

Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses

Valentine is a self-centered blowhard, that has managed mediocre teams, with underwhelming results... That may NOT be a bad thing.

The Redsox have talent, and some damaged PR...imagine how much spotlight Valentine is going to steal with a good team, and the players can just get back to what they are paid (or overpaid) to do. 

Good players can often pick up some slack for a bad manager, but not even a great manager can make up for lousy players. Most of Valentine's previous teams were very flawed, the Redsox, not so much. Managers don't forget how to manage taking a few years off. In fact, Valentine spending a few years picking apart other manager's mistakes might refresh memories of his own. 

Terry Francona didn't forget how to manage either, and Popeyes and Budweiser didn't beat the Redsox last year...those excuses are as thin as Youkilis' injury, on a team as offensively gifted as the Redsox....The sad truth is, Theo Epstein's inability to sign enough pitching did the Redsox in. If Cherington can't add some pitching answers, it won't be the manager's fault, no matter who it is.



Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: December 1, 2011 2:04 pm
 

Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses

Valentine is a self-centered blowhard, that has managed mediocre teams, with underwhelming results... That may NOT be a bad thing.

The Redsox have talent, and some damaged PR...imagine how much spotlight Valentine is going to steal with a good team, and the players can just get back to what they are paid (or overpaid) to do. 

Good players can often pick up some slack for a bad manager, but not even a great manager can make up for lousy players. Most of Valentine's previous teams were very flawed, the Redsox, not so much. Managers don't forget how to manage taking a few years off. In fact, Valentine spending a few years picking apart other manager's mistakes might refresh memories of his own. 

Terry Francona didn't forget how to manage either, and Popeyes and Budweiser didn't beat the Redsox last year...those excuses are as thin as Youkilis' injury, on a team as offensively gifted as the Redsox....The sad truth is, Theo Epstein's inability to sign enough pitching did the Redsox in. If Cherington can't add some pitching answers, it won't be the manager's fault, no matter who it is.       
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Since: Apr 15, 2008
Posted on: December 1, 2011 1:29 pm
 

Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses

Choke dynasty-  I don't care much for your personality but you hit the nail on the head.  Valentine did zip(0) with the Mets and now he is going to do the same again with another team.  Managers are like a recycling plants.  They get hired, fired and then hired again.  Just one small circle of opportunism.
Much like all of North America's pro sports leagues (NHL,NFL,NBA, & MLB) coaches are just basically recycled despite there lack of success. It's basically the same old dinosaurs combing a different land scape, why don't more teams go with a guy who has had success in there own minor league system? Why not promote from with in?



Since: Apr 15, 2008
Posted on: December 1, 2011 1:16 pm
 

Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses

Funny how when you go to different sports sites, which just happen two of leading sports sites In North America you get differing stories. On another site it talks about how there is a report that some of the players are pissed off about the hiring because they were specifically told the manager would not be a Bobby V type. The guy hasn't managed in ten years, what a terrible hiring. There is no way he can control this team full of over paid, beer drinking, chicken wing eating egos. 

Loaded? They have no starting pitching!!! LOL What are they going to do, play the Yankees for 162 games and win each game 12-10, they couldn't even beat the Orioles in those type of games with there season on the line.

Who cares how many months they were the best? They couldn't even finish, so what do meaningless stats matter for? The Indians were also at the top of there division for a while, does that mean they are one of the best?

Knobler = Red Sox stan. 



Since: Jun 6, 2008
Posted on: December 1, 2011 11:34 am
 

Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses

Leiter, Piazza, Williams head a list of credible PLAYERS who laud Valentine as a manager. Two previous owners also give him rave reviews.  Do you morons really think you know more than they do? C'mon folks, your rampant nay-saying is ill placed and even mor ill-thought out. I'm thinking jealousy runs rampant. This is baseball, not high school.



Since: Oct 13, 2007
Posted on: December 1, 2011 10:53 am
 

Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses

Nine years is an awful long time to be away fron ANY profession, let alone a profession that has the turnover that baseball has.
Yet it's ok for Jack McKeon to come back to the Marlins? 

Notice how Bobby's name came up for most of the managerial openings this year and also over the last couple of years.  You can't deny the experience as a player in the bigs 1969-79 and the managerial years not only with Texas and the Mets but all the AAA experience (which how come so many people love AAA experience when talking about managers but not Bobby V?) and the Japan experience was no small time stuff.  Haters beware. 





Since: Feb 12, 2009
Posted on: December 1, 2011 10:18 am
 

Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses


alentine was a douche with the Mets, didn't win much, and went to Jap Town to manage.  He returns after a decade as the lovable annoying douche on ESPN.  Now he's the coach for the Red Sox.  That surprises me that BeanTown would do that.




Choke dynasty-  I don't care much for your personality but you hit the nail on the head.  Valentine did zip(0) with the Mets and now he is going to do the same again with another team.  Managers are like a recycling plants.  They get hired, fired and then hired again.  Just one small circle of opportunism.



Since: Sep 11, 2008
Posted on: December 1, 2011 8:46 am
 

Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses

Valentine is a blithering idiot who was simply an average manager everywhere he went. Nothing will change in Boston except we will be entertained with his tirades occassionally and his inane managing and comments every game day.



Since: Oct 19, 2007
Posted on: December 1, 2011 8:43 am
 

Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses

This is great, now I can watch baseball tonight again!



Since: Jun 24, 2008
Posted on: December 1, 2011 4:53 am
 

Valentine falls into bed of Red Sox roses

This is an excellent fit for both Valentine and the Red Sox.  This is a veteran team that is constructed to win right now with some added pitching. They were the best team in baseball for most of last season untl the injuries (to the pitching) just did them in. Valentine is as good a game manager as there is and will get the attention of the vets and get everyone focused on winning games.  I'm also happy to see Theo go as he never seemed to get the team enough pitching. Also, the front office decision-making was better BEFORE Theo wrestled more power away from upper management so, as a Sox fan, I'm glad to see Larry Lucchino and John Henry closer to the baseball decisions again. I think that a Series for the Sox in the next two seasons is a distinct possibility.  Looking forward, especially, to those Sox/Yankee games.  Now, about that pitching.


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