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Phillies' preference is still to keep Rollins

Posted on: December 6, 2011 2:27 am
Edited on: December 6, 2011 2:28 am
DALLAS -- You may have heard that the Phillies talked to free-agent third baseman Aramis Ramirez.

It's true.

You may have heard that the Phillies' talks with Jimmy Rollins hit some obstacles.

Also true.

But here's another thing that remains as true as before: The Phillies' overwhelming desire is to have Rollins back as their shortstop.

And their show of interest in Ramirez could well be part of this.

By reaching out to Ramirez, several baseball officials suggested Monday, the Phils could be showing Rollins that they do have a suitable backup plan, and thus trying to prod him to accept a deal.

So far, Rollins has been asking the Phillies for five years, with the team preferring a three-year deal (with some sources suggesting that general manager Ruben Amaro would agree to go to four years).

It's unclear what the market for Rollins is outside Philadelphia. The Brewers have met with Dan Lozano, Rollins' agent, but people familiar with their plans say that even a three-year deal may be beyond what they would do. The Nationals are considered by some to be a possibility, but Rollins does not seem to be their primary (or even secondary) focus at this point. Perhaps the Cardinals could become involved if Albert Pujols signs elsewhere, but it's hard to count on that.

People who know Rollins aren't sure how the talented but also very proud shortstop will react to all this.

Some suggest that he could view the shorter offer from the Phillies as a sign of disrespect, and respond by telling Lozano he wants to go elsewhere. Others say it's hard to believe he would leave the Phillies spotlight to go to a team like the Brewers.

"Jimmy wants to get paid," said one official who knows him. "But Jimmy likes the big stage, too."

In the end, most in baseball seem to believe that Rollins will re-sign with the only team he has known.

If not, perhaps the Phillies will come hard after Ramirez, who they have so far shown just lukewarm interest in, sources say. Ramirez has also drawn interest from the Brewers and Angels, and one person who knows him say his strong desire is to find a team with the best chance to win.

If the Phillies signed Ramirez to replace Rollins, they would go with young Freddy Galvis at shortstop, and trade incumbent third baseman Placido Polanco (which would require eating some of the remaining $7.25 million on his contract).

Would the Phillies do that?

It's possible they would. It's certain that their first choice would be to simply re-sign Jimmy Rollins.


Since: Jul 12, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2011 5:36 pm

Phillies' preference is still to keep Rollins

Jimmy Rollins has agreed to terms with the Phillies.  Just heard it on Intentional Talk.

Since: Nov 24, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2011 1:31 am

Phillies' preference is still to keep Rollins

I also like the Thome and Wigginton pick ups.Laynce Nix ok too.  I need more of what I am on to keep coming up with the Pujols scenerio...HAHA Papelbon should be a shut down guy in the NL. Aramis Ramirez??  Not sure about him either, keep Polanco, who else is out there with a good Stick??

Since: Sep 9, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2011 12:40 am

Phillies' preference is still to keep Rollins

yer outta yer tree, if ya think pujols to phils, for 3b !!  dayum !!!  i'll have 2x, of whatever yer on !!   c'mon now !!   all b.s aside,  i like j-roll, BUT ,  it's prob time to say adios !!!   3 yr deal, is stretchin it.  THIS TEAM, MUST SCORE RUNS !!!  WAY TOO MUCH DOUGH, TIED UP IN HOWARD, & WHO KNOWS WHAT HE'LL BRING NEXT YR.  AFTER FAILIN TO DELIVER, ON WHAT HE'S WAY OVERPAID TO DO, FOR THE 2ND POSTSEASON IN A ROW !!   PHILS GOT MONDO WORK TO DO, N DECISIONS TO MAKE.   really like  wigginton, n thome pickups.    not too keen on papelbon though,  but  verdicts out.  no faith/confidence in brown...   teams got major strengths, n MAJOR holes..  especially so, offensively.  NEED BIG, PROVEN SICKS(BATS) IN A BIG WAY !!   if not,  it'll be shat away,  YET AGAIN !!!

Since: Nov 24, 2008
Posted on: December 6, 2011 11:16 pm

Phillies' preference is still to keep Rollins

I would take it or leave it with Rollins.  I'm concerned about our pitching staff and what they think.  How good is the rookie at SS?  Will the pitchers be confident enough with Jimmy gone and the rookie in place?  Here is an off the wall wish, is it possible the Phillies sign Pujols for 3rd base? 

Since: Jul 12, 2008
Posted on: December 6, 2011 6:07 pm

Phillies' preference is still to keep Rollins

Ramirez wants to play for Milwaukee.

Doesn't always mean he'll sign there but I think the Brewers have a slightly better shot at landing Ramirez based on everything I've seen. 

Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: December 6, 2011 5:33 pm

Phillies' preference is still to keep Rollins

lol argo they dont want ANYTHING for him they just wanna shed salary.
But Beatdwn, that's just it: they WOULDN'T be shedding salary, at least not any significant amount, because any team they want to trade him to will insist that the Phils pay almost all of the salary.  So where is the salary they'd shed, other than some chump change?

and rockies are showing some interet in him
Oh, I read that story too, and I think someone was just throwing up smoke, for whatever his agenda happens to be.  (Front ofice?  Agent?  Who the hell knows.)  Happens all the time.  Can't just swallow these silly rumors whole.  And if the Rockies actually were seriously considering shelling out over 7 million and a player for Polanco in his present situation, they'd be d*mn fools.  And I doubt they actually are.  (Well, then again, maybe we should expect anything from a team that doesn't know how to protect its signs on the field, but still  . . .)

Since: Oct 16, 2006
Posted on: December 6, 2011 4:17 pm

Phillies' preference is still to keep Rollins

You can't pay any sub "super or not" $7.25 million dollars unless you are the Yankees plus you can't be a sub when you are on the shelf 2-3 times per year.  A sub has to immediately fill a hole in the lineup.  How can you do that when you yourself are hurt? 

Since: Aug 18, 2009
Posted on: December 6, 2011 2:06 pm

Phillies' preference is still to keep Rollins

Whatever happened to that "Polanco as a super-sub" idea that was being kicked around a few weeks ago?

Since: Jul 13, 2010
Posted on: December 6, 2011 1:35 pm

Phillies' preference is still to keep Rollins

lol argo they dont want ANYTHING for him they just wanna shed salary. and rockies are showing some interet in him. he will be dealt and for a third baseman that hits 300 mostly every yr 7 mill isnt much. give him to the rockie for crap and give the 2 mill back to them that they gave us for wiggington. why not just give polly for wiggington? shoulda beeen done then....


also let jimmy go screw the defense, we need offense and a trade for a 3rd baseman or sign aramis ramirez is the best way to go. jimmy is nothing anymore and galvis is a great defensive shortstop so is valdez. get the third basemen already!!!!!!!!! LET JIMMY WALK!!!!!!! WWE DONT WANT THE SAME TEAM THAT FAILS IN THE PLAYOFFS EVERY YEAR NOW CAUSE OF NO OFFENSE!!!!!


come on ruben do the right thing and think offense instead of pitching for once....brown, trevor may, and sebatiam valle for david wright get it done....and there is conflicting reports on hanley ramirez. konbler reports hes "distraught" over the reyes signing, while the gm says hes being a "team player". i dont see the latter happening so go for him too. we dont wana a 270 hitter with declining power and speed. we want avg and power. aramis ramirez is the guy in free agency. while their is pleanty of prospects to get a package for something big. stick with mayberry and get rid of dom brown while his value is still there. they wanted dom brown for beltran last year so give them him and others. WRIGHT GET HIM, backup plan aramis. and put galvis at SS.

obviously ruben has something big up his sleeve, first cuddy was a definite to come here, cause of his versatility. well we got the same guy in wiggington for about 8 mill less. also we got nix to probably platon with mayberry. that leaves dom brown in AAA for another year??? no way, ruben making a big trade and dom brown will be apart of it....worley maybe too(cause IMO worley will be very bad this year.....)

Since: Aug 20, 2008
Posted on: December 6, 2011 1:34 pm

Phillies' preference is still to keep Rollins

I'm sure Amaro's crack negotiating skills, which appear to involve asking how much the player wants and then writing a check for that amount, will get the job done.  I mean he's put together, at best, an average lineup that is continuing to decline so why not keep resigning the pieces?  He brought back Thome, why not try and get Rolen from Cincinnati and really go geriatric?  I do like the Nix signing as a role player and a decent bat off the bench, but his reputation for overpaying is making it impossible to sign anyone at a bargain.  

Ramirez would fit right in here as another overpaid bat who struggles to play 100 games a year.  What does it take to be a GM?  I mean I can sign a check and I know I have a better idea of how to build a team than Amaro.  If he wasnt such a dunce we would have the inside track on least in terms of the highest dollar offer.  Instead we're stuck with a clown who cant hit good pitching.

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