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Darvish is gone, but plenty of starters available

Posted on: December 21, 2011 1:30 pm
Edited on: December 23, 2011 12:52 pm
Among teams and agents with starting pitching for sale, there was some hope that the Yu Darvish decision would spur movement in a market that has been slow to develop.

That could still happen. But for now, there is still so much pitching available that it's hard to understand why any team would feel the need to panic.

The free-agent market still offers Hiroki Kuroda, Edwin Jackson and Roy Oswalt, among others.

On the trade market, Jair Jurrjens, Wade Davis, Jeff Niemann, Wandy Rodriguez, Matt Garza and more are all believed by other teams to be available, albeit at what buyers still consider to be inflated prices. Even with Mat Latos already having gone to the Reds, John Danks signing an extension with the White Sox and Gio Gonzalez gone to the Nationals, it's a long list (and others such as the Mets' Jon Niese are also out there, along with longer-shot names like James Shields).

Compare that to last July 31, when the Tigers were able to trade for Doug Fister and the Indians got Ubaldo Jimenez, but many teams trying to deal for pitching found no one of real value available.

Now, the question is the high cost in prospects, at least based on what the Padres and A's got for Latos and Gonzalez. Meanwhile, the Red Sox, Marlins, Blue Jays, Royals, Tigers, Mariners, Yankees, Rockies, Orioles and others are hoping to add at least one more starter this winter.

And the market is still so fluid that one person who talked to the Red Sox this week reported back that they are "in on everybody."

In part because so many pitchers are still available, many rival officials continue to think that the Padres did very well in what they got from the Reds for Latos, who is young (24), cheap (not even arbitration-eligible yet), controllable (can't be a free agent until 2016) and talented, but also is regarded as having questionable makeup.

The Reds would no doubt argue that the price for any top pitching remains high, and for now it does.

The question is where the market goes from here, particularly with so many pitchers available.


Since: Dec 22, 2011
Posted on: December 22, 2011 12:41 pm

Darvish is gone, but plenty of starters available

Apparently the Chicago White Sox did not learn anything from the John Lackey contract.  Thirteen million dollars over 5 years for a pitcher that went 8-12 and is under .500 for his career with an era over 4.00 is absurd.  With Jair Jurrjens, Gio Gonzalez, and Matt Garza on the trading block still, this was a very bad deal. 

Since: Mar 22, 2011
Posted on: December 22, 2011 11:56 am

Darvish is gone, but plenty of starters available

2012 - The year of the Rangers!


Since: Nov 9, 2008
Posted on: December 22, 2011 10:53 am

Darvish is gone, but plenty of starters available

Edwin Jackson a "quality" pitcher? He was unmitigated disaster last season in Arizona and that's historically been the book on him as well. Love to see Gio Gonzalez in a Diamnodbacks uniform as has been rumored here for weeks.

Since: Sep 19, 2011
Posted on: December 22, 2011 10:25 am

Darvish is gone, but plenty of starters available

Edwin jackson is a average pitcher hes not worth the big bucks at all....

Since: Feb 24, 2007
Posted on: December 22, 2011 8:26 am

Darvish is gone, but plenty of starters available

The word at Oriole Park in Baltimore is that the Orioles are very serious on Kuroda and for some reason Oswalt, and have made serious inquiries about Garza that include young pitching and possibly Chris Davis and Robert Andino. We will see. Kuroda though not a big spash, makes a lot of sense with their recent heavy interest in the Asian market. They are or have been in talks with no less than 6 different Asian players, even though to date they have only signed one, and of course they had Koji Uehara for a couple years and are trying to get him back from Texas.

Since: Aug 27, 2006
Posted on: December 22, 2011 12:00 am

Darvish is gone, but plenty of starters available

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and state that there could be big money won on the possibility that xrisanderson HAS in fact, eaten his words before.

Since: Mar 22, 2008
Posted on: December 21, 2011 11:20 pm
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Since: May 8, 2007
Posted on: December 21, 2011 10:27 pm

Darvish is gone, but plenty of starters available

I'll be interested to see what you write when the playoffs come, and the Jays are ahead of both the Yankees and the Rays. You heard it here first and I'll eat my words if I'm wrong. 

Since: Jul 29, 2011
Posted on: December 21, 2011 7:19 pm

Darvish is gone, but plenty of starters available

The Sox should have interest in Kuroda especially with Bobby Valentine as the new manager.  Let's go Cherington!  Lets see if Valentine is the manager of Japanese pitchers that he claims to be - oh, is Dice K coming back by mid season?  Yes, he is!  Doesn't it make sense for The RedSox to sign him.  It's not like they have to offer 51 million to a Japanese team for rights to the pitcher!  The Sox could sign Kuroda and have he and Dice-K in the rotation at the end of the season and in the playoffs.  It seems like The Sox could sign Kuroda and recoup some of the money they paid in posting fee's for Dice-K.  Just do it!  The Sox have nothing to lose.  I'm sure Dice-K would be happy and I'm sure Kuroda would be happy to play on the same team together!  Maybe Bobby V can advocate for this move!  It would be great for the MLB to have two starters from Japan on same team.  The exposure alone is Worth It!  The TV Networks would eat it up!  So, Let's go Cherington - sign Kuroda.  It may turn out to be your best move as The Sox GM in your rookie year! 

Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: December 21, 2011 6:49 pm

Darvish is gone, but plenty of starters available

lots of pitching still to go. Blue Jays will land one or two of those guys and sign Beltran and should be off to the races for a wild card and compete for the division. It would be nice to know if the league intends to add the extra wild card this year or next year. Hopefully it is this year.
Did Toronto get moved out of the AL East???  If not, I don't care if they add 4 wildcards, Toronto isn't going to be winning one of them having to play the Yankees, Red Sox and Rays that many times a year.

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