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100 Greatest Players, 41- 50

Posted on: July 1, 2008 4:20 pm
Edited on: July 3, 2008 12:31 am
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This is my fifth entry in my list of my 100 greatest baseball players. A few notes. I am not going to include players who primarily played before 1903, since the rules were so different back then. I also will not include Negro League players who did not play in the Majors. I know this seems unfair, but it is hard to rank someone who does not have credible statistics. I'm also leaving out some good players who just have begun their careers, like Pujols and Ichiro, but I'm sure they will rank here eventually, its just too early to determine where. I also deduct a few points for accused steroid users, but hopefully I can know for certain about the drug use in baseball, so my rankings can be more justified. So I hope you enjoy my list

41. Roberto Clemente- Easily the most overrated player of alltime, as most people put him in their top ten.  But let's get realistic, he had a horrible BB/K ratio, and having a great outfield arm isn't all that important.  But Clemente was still a great player, winning 4 batting titles, and 12 Gold Gloves.  He was also a clutch postseason batter, hitting .414 in the 1971 WS.

42. Carl Yastrzemski- Many people think of Yaz as a guy who only had one good year, and who played forever to boost his stats.  That's rubbish.  Yaz led the league in OBP 5 times, in runs created 4 times, in times on base 4 times, and in OPS+ 4 times.  Not to mention he was a stellar fielder, playing the Monster better than anyone.  Yaz rankes 6th alltime in walks, 6th alltime in hits, and 9th alltime in extra base hits.  In 1967, Yaz really put together an MVP season, basically carrying the Sox on his back to the playoffs.  He batted .619 in the Sox last 6 games, and they had to win all of them

43. Bob Feller- Feller was the first high school phenom.  He set the league record for strikeouts, with 348 in 1946.  Feller was a workhorse, leading the league in innings 5 times, and in Ks 7 times.  He won 266 games in his career, but remember, he missed 3 years to war, so his wins should have been over 300 and his Ks would have been over 3000.

44. Johnny Mize- Mize is the least remembered star to miss playing time while serving in WW2.  He was a fantastic fielding first baseman, earning the nickname "Big Cat" for his slick fielding.  He missed 3 years to war, and had 359 homers in his career.  His 158 OPS+ is testament to his skills.  For a power hitter, he hardly struck out, with a career high of 57 in 1937.  Mize led the league in homers 4 times, but many people put Hank Greenberg ahead of him, even though Hank was a worse fielder, and played in a hitter's park.

45. Charlie Gehringer- The Mechanical Man never really had an off year, and he didn't have any noticeable weakness.  He hit for power, hitting 574 doubles and 146 triples, fielded great, deserving 6 GGs, and got on base over forty percent of the time.  His 162 game average for Ks is 26.

46. Pedro Martinez- Pedro had 2 of the top 5 best pitching seasons.  In 2000, he had the highest single season ERA+ of any pitcher since 1880.  His 1999 saw him win the pitching triple crown, and post the 9th best single season ERA+.  He won 23 games, lost 4, and struck out 313 batters in 1999.  Overall, Pedro has the best career ERA+, and the best winning percentage of any pitcher since 1900, tied with Whitey Ford.

47. Mike Piazza- The best hitting catcher is also the worst fielding, allowing almost as many steals as Rickey Henderson had.  His 142 OPS+ is great, as is his record 427 home runs, most as a catcher.  He should have won the 1997 MVP, with his 201 hits, 40 homers, and 185 OPS+.

48. Cal Ripken Jr.- Yes he played way too long, and should have took some days off, but his streak is ridiculous.  This 2 time MVP winner amassed 3184 hits, and 431 homers.  He had a rocket of an arm at short, and was actually a good fielder, even with his size.  Cal may have hit into the most double plays, but he certainly hit Americans in the heart, when he played in 2632 conscutive games.

49. Hank Greenberg- Another great player who lost time to serving his country, Hank won 2 MVPs, and posted a 158 OPS+.  Hank had some amazing seasons, hitting 58 homers in 1938, hitting 63 doubles in 1934, and driving in 183 runs in 1937.  Hank knocked 331 balls past the fences, and probably would have over 400 homers without missing war time.   Hank led the league in RBIs 4 times, and in extra base hits 4 times.

50. Jackie Robinson- If Jackie would have gotten an earlier start, he would have been among the top 25 players.  He was a 5 tool player, posting a .411 OBP, only missing double digits in homers once, leading the league in steals twice, and he was an amazing second baseman in the field, deserving of 4 GGs in his short career. Jackie won the first ROY, and an MVP , in only a smidge of a career.  With a fair shot, he would have been as highly regarded as Joe Morgan.

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Comments

Since: Jan 29, 2008
Posted on: July 22, 2008 1:14 pm
 

100 Greatest Players, 41- 50

You're a joke. I already said this, I'm NOT doing this again. It just isn't gonna happen. And you are misquoting yourself, most likely on purpose, because you know you have been banned since that debate and thus I can't go find that post.



Since: Apr 11, 2008
Posted on: July 21, 2008 4:47 pm
 

100 Greatest Players, 41- 50

I never said he was part of the top 100, I said I would put him in just for you.  He doesnt belong, I was justing doing it so u would stop harrassing me about Sisler.

Oh and Gene Tenance is better than Sisler.  First off, he played catcher, the most important position besides pitcher.  He batted .241, with a .388 OBP in a league that had an OBP of .321.  Sisler had an OBP of .379 in a league with a .355 OBP.  So if Gene Tenance, a player with 4 WS rings, is not in the top 200 players of alltime, but Sisler, a player with a worse OBP and no WS rings, should be in the top 100, isnt something wrong?

Also, Tenance contributed to a run 30.2 percent of his at bats.  Sisler contributed to a run 29.7 percent of his at-bats

Gene Tenance > George Sisler




Since: Jan 29, 2008
Posted on: July 21, 2008 4:10 pm
 

100 Greatest Players, 41- 50

Been there, done that. You really think I'm going to argue this again? Especially when you just make the same point with the naming of inferior first basemen? Yeah right. If you want to revisit the debate, go read the 10 or so pages there were filled before, and make a point to read the part where you admit Sisler is top 100.



Since: Apr 11, 2008
Posted on: July 21, 2008 3:00 pm
 

100 Greatest Players, 41- 50

seriously their are at least 15 first basemen better than Sisler, more actually.  So if hes not in the top 15 of his position, how is he in the top 100?  It makes no sense.  Sisler is not better than Thome, Thomas, McCovey, Bagwell, McGwire, Mattingly, Perez, Allen, Berkman, Killebrew, Gerhig, Greenberg, Hernandez, Mize, Foxx, or Pujols.  Those are just the first ones I thought of.  Probably 8 more.  Face it, he is a glorified Heine Manush clone.  Cant walk, only hits singles, bad fielder, gets some steals, but caught a lot, not much value offensively or defensively.




Since: Apr 11, 2008
Posted on: July 21, 2008 2:53 pm
 

100 Greatest Players, 41- 50

Destroyed?  I realized that you won't ever understand how overrated BA is, and steals, so I just decided to make Sisler NO.100 so I can name 80 players more deserving of the 100 spot.  so get ready for Sisler at No. 100, it will be a Sisler bash



Since: Jan 29, 2008
Posted on: July 21, 2008 2:06 pm
 

100 Greatest Players, 41- 50

but no way does Sisler belongDude, we did this before. It took about 8 pages, and at least a few days. And at the end, you said that I had convinced you that Sisler was top 100. Now he's back to not even top 150. Amazing how quickly you forget a month or so after getting destoyed (exaggeration? Maybe. But only slightly) in that debate.



Since: Apr 11, 2008
Posted on: July 21, 2008 11:48 am
 

100 Greatest Players, 41- 50

Hey thx Lazer_Wright.  I probably should include Jim Thome, but no way does Sisler belong



Since: Jun 26, 2008
Posted on: July 21, 2008 6:46 am
 

100 Greatest Players, 41- 50

I've read your top 50 and waited until this entry to make my comments.  I think you've done a helluva job.  Sure some of my opinions differ from yours but you're right on for the most part.  I would have put Cy Young in the top 10.  I may have put Yaz in the top 40.  However, you say Jim Thome is only top 150?  Over 500 homers, 2000 hits and a career OBP of .400 doesn't crack the top 100?  I know he's had some seasons with a low batting average and he's now just a DH, but did a few years of low batting average and less than stellar defense drag him below the top 100?   Of course, he's still playing and probably has a few more seasons to get his home run total in the 550-575 range.



Since: Apr 11, 2008
Posted on: July 20, 2008 11:40 pm
 

100 Greatest Players, 41- 50

Its absurd that you suggest Sisler is better than Jim Thome, who is nowhere close to being a top 100 player.  So if Sisler cant beat out Thome, who is barely in the top 150, u expect him to be in the top 50........  Sisler couldnt walk, couldnt hit homers, couldnt field above average and couldnt do much other than slap singles



Since: Jan 29, 2008
Posted on: July 19, 2008 4:02 pm
 

100 Greatest Players, 41- 50

 His career OBP is over .400, better than George Sisler  You just love to cut on Sisler, don't ya? His exclusion from the top 50 is absurd.


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