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2009 ATMD

Posted on: February 23, 2009 12:55 pm
Edited on: April 17, 2009 10:46 pm
 

Ok, so we are officially complete with the 2009 CPMD and crowned Skins champion.  That means we now move our attention to the big daddy of all contests, the All Time Mock Draft:


Participants:

1. "You Still Really Don't Want It With Us" /  wildcatsfan1
2. "Revenge of the Smith" / Team of The Big B-Coach & Michigan Sports-GM
3. "The Legends" / Nuggets_SOS ( ATMD-08 Winner )
4. "gameplans.com" /  North Harbour
5. "Kemp's Kids" or "Chrisper & Friends" /  ChrisperJ10
6. "Ripnu Ginobiltons" / Team of MrRedSoxBaller-GM & BMu_1963-Coach
7. "The Ten Acid Deez" /  axesstarr
8. g8trfan_1 ( Creator of ATMD )
9. "Bad News Joe" /  Team of windy city joe-GM & BNW2-Coach
10. "The Sulphurous Nonentities" /  blood_baller
11. HurricaneDij39
12. "Josh Heytvelt's Shroom and Swish" / Team of Zagfan62 & BucFan40
13. "Dishing and Swishing"kmvenne
14. "Death by Dunk" / Team of  lakers2408 & nate75
15. "Roanoke Dimpstaffs" /  Harst
16. "champinoship crew" / Team of tfitz & GoCavs33

* All posters that have confirmed their spot and look to be part of the contest.

Note: The idea of two posters getting together as a team has come up and is not a bad idea, if that helps in making sure there are no forfeits in the matches I am all for it.  Feel free to contact someone and just post it on this blog. 


Overall Structure:

There will be a Board of Directors ( BOD ) for this years Contest: 
   Chairman of the Board ( COTB ):  The Big B
     Board Member: Nuggets_SOS
     Board Member: wildcatsfan1
     Board Member: North Harbour
     Board Member: g8trfan_1
*On matters of collusion or punishment/possible ejection of players, the COTB has total say.
*Problems before the Draft will be dealt with by the entire BOD, where majority ruling will decide the outcomes of rule structure, scheduling or game setup.
*Problems after the Draft ( during the matchups ) will be dealt with by at least 3 BOD, where majority ruling will decide the outcome of trading conflicts, rulings, or things that affect league balance.

TEAMS: Two Posters getting together and forming a team.  The "GM" will be the one who takes part in the Draft / Confirm any Trades and the "Coach" will be the one responsible for submitting the gameplans in. But of course both members can help the other.


Draft Lottery Challenge: We will be all predicting the total score of two NBA first round playoff games ( Game 1 between the two 1vs8 Seeds in each Conference ).  Whoever guesses closest to those game totals will get the first pick in the draft, the furthest away will get the last pick ( #16 ).  I WILL CREATE A THREAD IN THE MAIN NBA THREADS.  By 11:59 EST Friday, April 17th everyone will need to submit their predictions into me ( Nugs ) via pm in that thread, as I will send my own prediction into a Neutral third party ( TheSkins8 ) via pm the day before to avoid any questions.  If someone neglects to submit their pick they will be automatically the last pick in the draft.  Also, each Team needs to predict a tie-breaker total which will be the stat line of LeBron = ( total of his points, rebounds and assists ).  The morning following the 2nd game I will reveal the draft order in a thread on the main board as well as the divisions of the first round of pool play.

     For Instance you will submit to me: "385 points for the total of the two games, 48 points for LeBrons statline total".

Beginning Divisions: Slot each team based on their draft position: North would be 1,5,9,13 South would be 2,6,10,14 East would be 3,7,11,15 West would be 4,8,12,16.

NOTE: NO TRADES CAN BE FINALIZED UNTIL THE DRAFT OFFICIALLY BEGINS.  There will time in between when we have determined the picking order and the beginning of the draft ( Wednesday, 4/22/09 ).  You can discuss trading draft picks all you want but nothing is final until the draft thread is created, as that will be the place to announce any trades.


Rules for Draft:

  1. All players who have been in the NBA for at least 1 full year are eligible for the draft.  That includes Michael Jordan ( who was not eligible last year ).  Nobody is eligible that has played their entire career in the ABA. 
  2. Number of rounds staying to 10, still snake style draft ( 1-16 on odd rounds, 16-1 on even rounds ).
  3. Unlimited trading allowed ( either picks or players ) during the draft.  To be kept track by BOD's WCF and NH.  Trading will no longer be permitted 6 hours after the final pick has been made ( team 10, pick 16 ).
  4. No trading of overall picking position, for instance if someone picks 3rd and if someone picks 5th, you can't swap picking position for the entire contest.  Only can trade picks during particular rounds.
  5. Each draft pick time limit = 6 hours ( 10pmEST - 6amEST does not count toward the 6 hour time limit, but you can announce your selection during those hours ). If person doesn't draft in that time they are skipped and can come back anytime and announce their player as long as they are still available.
  6. You can change your mind on your selection as long as it's before the person picking after you announces their selection.
  7. Players are judged upon how they were in their prime of their career in the NBA, not how they played in the ABA for instance.
  8. Everyone MUST keep 3 players from their roster at the conclusion of the Draft for the entire contest, BOD NH and WCF will keep track of this throughout the contest.
  9. Teams consisting of 2 Posters: Either member of the team can announce who the selection is, unless you designate prior to the draft who is the person responsible for drafting, generally the "GM".  ( Please check the Participant List to see if we have that designation for your team yet ).

Rules for Transaction Periods:

  1. Transaction Periods = 1. Trading Players 2. Drop Excess Players 3. Add / Drop Players
  2. Number of Transaction Periods = 2 total ( 1-After 1st pool games, 2-After 2nd pool games )
  3. "Drop Excess Players" list:  At the conclusion of each trading period, just before the add drop.  Anyone who has more than 10 players on their roster has to provide a list of who they are dropping into the free agent pool.  If you don't provide the COTB your players you have to drop then he will pick them for you.
  4. "Add / Drop Period": Immediately following each trading period, order will be reverse order of seedings.
  5. Number of chances each team gets during the add / drop period is a maximum of 2, each Poster will have 4 hours to make their selection or they will be skipped, you can come back and select a player if you have been skipped as long as no one else has taken him and it's before the final selection which officially ends the process.
  6. Once you have announced your add / drop selection, you can only change your mind prior to the next Poster making their selection.
  7. Trading Players unevenly is allowed.  For instance trading 3 players for 1 player.  You must have at least 8 players after trading so that during the add / drop period you can get back to 10 players.  If you are under 8 players when the trading period is over your last trade will be null and void.  ( The SupaNugs Rule )
  8. For Transaction Period's trading restrictions include "Original" Players only.  These are players that were on your roster prior to the Trading Period that leave your roster, any players you received from other deals don't count to that total. 
  9. Getting a bonus if you vote more often during the matches, if you are part of a team then the total votes would get averaged between the two Posters ( we will round down ).  For Transaction Periods the bonus structure will be the following ( note that we included the percentages because if a game is forfeited it will not count towards the total ):
        *Vote on 0-5 Games (0-25%) - 1 Trade / 2 Players ( Possible expulsion, reviewed by BOD )
        *Vote on 6-10 Games (26-50%) - 1 Trade / 3 Players
        *Vote on 11-15 (51-75%) - 2 Trades / 5 Players
        *Vote on 16-20 Games (76-99%) - 3 Trades / 6 Players
        *Vote on 21 Games (100%) - 4 Trades / 7 Players
  10. Announcing of trades.  Once a trade is announced in the threads by ALL parties involved it's final, one team can announce as the other team can say that "I agree".  Try to avoid the skins/dcb/wcj problem that occured in the last contest.

Rules for Matches:

  1. Word Limits to gameplans, during pool periods (1000 word max ), during tournament ( 1200 word max ). Word Count does not include listing of rosters and minutes. 
  2. Requirement that each Coach must list the minutes played of each player in the gameplan, no more "Match LeBrons minutes"
  3. Requirement that each player must be designated to a particular position in the gameplans, for example if you have Moses Malone, you must say that he's playing 30min at C, then 10min at PF.
  4. Penalty if someone does not turn in a gameplan, once = forfeit, twice = removal from contest.
  5. Games that go into overtime or get "enough" votes will just continue on and won't push the next set of games back to mess up schedule. ( minimum of 10 votes in each match )  Matches that are tied in point value after 3 days will go into an overtime period of 24 hours where whichever team is leading at that time wins the match.  If it's tied still then we go into a sudden death period where the next vote wins.
  6. If someone doesn't turn in a gameplan they will lose the match by forfeit, the Poster who turned in their gameplan has the option to post only their gameplan for people to comment.  Winning team gets an automatic 8 votes for and 0 votes against ( used for tie-breaking purposes )
  7. When both teams fail to turn in gameplans, both teams get a loss and nobody gets automatic votes for or against.
  8. Votes that are "Marginal" in the contest will need to be explained further, a marginal vote is one that shows clearly the Poster didn't read the gameplans and needs to explain the reasoning further. ( Only BOD members determines marginal votes )
  9. Voting value in the game threads:
           *Votes from Sole Owners = 2 points
           *Votes from Team Owners = 1 point
           *Votes from non-participants = 1 point

Tie Breaking Procedures 

  • Winner of Pool Play Division if 2 teams have equal record: Head to Head winner.
  • Winner of Pool Play Division if 3 teams have equal records: 1. Head to Head winner against other 2 teams. 1. Overall voting percentage in the current Pool Play.
  • Placement of teams in next Pool Play: 1. Overall win-loss record 2. Overall voting percentage in previous pool play.

2009 ATMD Schedule:

Draft picking contest during first round of the NBA playoffs ( week of 4/20/09 ).

  • Key date is Friday 4/17/09 when everyone will submit their guesses in.

Draft begins 4/22/09, goes for about 4 - 6 Weeks total <---PLEASE NOTE THE CHANGE

Matches begin 6/1/09, goes for about 18 weeks which would end it around the first of October

Pool Play Round 1: Teams separated into four divisions ( North, South, East, West ) 
  Monday, 6/01/09: North-1 vs North-4, North-2 vs North-3
  Thursday, 6/04/09: South-1 vs South-4, South-2 vs South-3 
  Monday, 6/08/09: East-1 vs East-4, East-2 vs East-3
  Thursday, 6/11/09: West-1 vs West-4, West-2 vs West-3 
  Monday, 6/15/09: North-1 vs North-2, North-3 vs North-4
  Thursday, 6/18/09: South-1 vs South-2, South-3 vs South-4 
  Monday, 6/22/09: East-1 vs East-2, East-3 vs East-4
  Thursday, 6/25/09: West-1 vs West-2, West-3 vs West-4 
  Monday, 6/29/09: North-1 vs North-3, North-2 vs North-4
  Thursday, 7/03/09: South-1 vs South-3, South-2 vs South-4 
  Monday, 7/06/09: East-1 vs East-3, DEast-2 vs East-4
  Thursday, 7/09/09: West-1 vs West-2, West-2 vs West-4 + Transaction Period #2

Pool Play Round 2: Teams placed into four groups ( A, B, C, D ) Winner of each starting division in A, 2nd in B, 3rd in C, 4th in D
  Monday, 7/20/09: A1 vs A4, A2 vs A3
  Thursday, 7/23/09: B1 vs B4, B2 vs B3 
  Monday, 7/27/09: C1 vs C4, C2 vs C3
  Thursday, 7/30/09: D1 vs D4, D2 vs D3 
  Monday, 8/03/09: A1 vs A2, A3 vs A4
  Thursday, 8/06/09: B1 vs B2, B3 vs B4 
  Monday, 8/10/09: C1 vs C2, C3 vs C4
  Thursday, 8/13/09: D1 vs D2, D3 vs D4 
  Monday, 8/17/09: A1 vs A3, A2 vs A4
  Thursday, 8/20/09: B1 vs B3, B2 vs B4 
  Monday, 8/24/09: C1 vs C3, C2 vs C4
  Thursday, 8/27/09: D1 vs D2, D2 vs D4 + Transaction Period #3

Tournament: Seeds 1-4 from group A, Seeds 5-8 from group B, Seeds 9-12 from group C, Seeds 13-16 from group D
  Monday, 9/07/09: ( Round 1 ) 1 vs 16, 8 vs 9
  Thursday, 9/10/09: ( Round 1 ) 4 vs 13, 5 vs 12
  Monday, 9/14/09: ( Round 1 ) 3 vs 14, 6 vs 11
  Thursday, 9/17/09: ( Round 1 ) 2 vs 15, 7 vs 10
  Monday, 9/21/09: ( Round 2 ) 1/16 vs 8/9, 4/13 vs 5/12
  Thursday, 9/24/09: ( Round 2 ) 3/14 vs 6/11, 2/15 vs 7/10 
  Monday, 9/28/09: ( Round 3 ) 1st Seed bracket winner vs 4th Seed bracket winner
  Thursday, 10/01/09: ( Round 3 ) 3rd Seed bracket winner vs 2nd Seed bracket winner
  Tuesday, 10/06/09: ( Round 4 ) Championship Game

Contest Ends on Saturday, 10/10/09


 

Comments

Since: Apr 5, 2007
Posted on: April 15, 2009 7:11 pm
 

2009 ATMD

suggestion start out the league with everyone's votes equal, see how great it works

then decide whether you want to screw it up and change the voting after the 1st set of pool play 




Since: Apr 5, 2007
Posted on: April 15, 2009 7:06 pm
 

2009 ATMD

you guys take me too seriously, I was saying that sarcastically for one trying to stress a point that it's messed up to have votes worth seperate values but so be it, you'll realize how dumb the decision was after the first set of pool play 




Since: Apr 5, 2007
Posted on: April 15, 2009 7:02 pm
 

2009 ATMD

Jakey, why do you want to start this contest with saying that?  You began to turn the corner in the tail end of the CPMD with your votes.  Now you have taken a few giant steps back, and utimately all it's going to do is hurt your team.  Guaranteed that if you or anyone starts to have votes like that they will not be counted.  Sorry, but one day you will learn that sometimes everything doesn't go exactly the way you think it should.

 

Listen old man, I've had it, you want to keep on misinterepruting what I say than go ahead. I aint taking no steps back, you need to cool it. I simply stated that because it's the truth and I'm not the 1st one to say it, Brandon also said it and it's the truth.

face the facts Nuggets you can't have 1 persons vote worth less than anothers that creates way more problems than having everyone with equal votes

People like to single me out because I'm more opinionated doesn't mean I should be singled out. A large group of people feel the same way as me. You can set the rules how you like and I will follow them but I'm just letting you know my opinion. Is that wrong? Well only if your name is Michigan Sports or "Jakey" because that's what I do, I just go around and say senseless things with no meaning.




Since: May 22, 2008
Posted on: April 15, 2009 6:20 pm
 

2009 ATMD

now you will have to settle for half the vote, half the quality, half the length, and half the effort I put into my votes (and you guys thought my previous votes were bad!)

Jakey, why do you want to start this contest with saying that?  You began to turn the corner in the tail end of the CPMD with your votes.  Now you have taken a few giant steps back, and utimately all it's going to do is hurt your team.  Guaranteed that if you or anyone starts to have votes like that they will not be counted.  Sorry, but one day you will learn that sometimes everything doesn't go exactly the way you think it should.




Since: Jan 20, 2007
Posted on: April 15, 2009 6:03 pm
 

2009 ATMD

We don't care. The rules in place and its sticking. Also, your votes can't get much worse and if they really are that bad we just won't count them. Plain and simple.




Since: Apr 5, 2007
Posted on: April 15, 2009 5:28 pm
 

2009 ATMD

 *Votes from Sole Owners = 2 points
      
; *Votes from Team Owners = 1 point

      
; *Votes from non-participants = 1 point


just thought I'd let everyone know that came to this decision that they messed up big time and this is total BS

now you will have to settle for half the vote, half the quality, half the length, and half the effort I put into my votes (and you guys thought my previous votes were bad!)




Since: Jan 20, 2007
Posted on: April 15, 2009 9:34 am
 

2009 ATMD

Game A: Cleveland vs. Detroit
Game B: Los Angelas vs. Utah
C: Lebron's statline total

Picks need to be in to Nugs by tomorrow via PM. 




Since: May 22, 2008
Posted on: April 15, 2009 9:32 am
 

2009 ATMD

ATTENTION:

We will be starting the Draft on Wednesday of next week ( 4/22/09 ).  The first two 1v8 games should be played this Weekend, and then I will reveal the draft order on Monday of next week.  So rather than waiting a full week to draft we will push the date up a bit.  And then depending on when the draft finishes we might need to adjust the start of the matchups as well. 

I will post this also on the "Draft Picking Thread" tomorrow, thanks.

 




Since: May 22, 2008
Posted on: April 14, 2009 3:45 pm
 

2009 ATMD

I think Hornets/Lakers and Pistons/Cavs will produce the most varied guesses.

Yea, something tells me that the Lakers will take care of the Jazz tonight to force them to have to play them in the post season.  But if the Jazz end up winning on the road ( yea, that just sounds weird to say ) then it could be the Mavericks or the Hornets.  The Rockets are playing to try to get the number 2 seed, they need to beat the Mav's.  For the Hornets to get the final seed, pretty sure the Jazz and Mavericks would have to win and then the Hornets would have to lose against the Spurs.  Of all the Coaches to sit players pretty sure Coach Pop is going to be first.  They don't care about winning this game.  But could you imagine saying that there is a distinct possiblity that the 1v8 game will be Lakers - Hornets before this season started?   

Would be fun to see a few of us on a thread as the final quarter ticks down

Everyones predictions will not be revealed until the Monday after the games have been played.  I will announce them in a thread starting from whoever landed the final pick ( #16 ) - thus the person who predicted the worst all the way until the first pick ( #1 ) - thus the person who predicted the closest.  It combines the idea that I had to start with, getting peoples reactions in a thread as I announce the picks one at a time with G8trs answer to making the way it's determined fair, but mostly fun.  Everyone will have a general idea off their own pick and might even get some of the other Posters to spill what their prediction is.  But I can see quite a few of the spots coming down to LeBron's statline total because I'd bet some of us predict the same totals.

 




Since: Mar 14, 2008
Posted on: April 14, 2009 1:51 pm
 

2009 ATMD

As if the end of the regular season and NBA playoff seeding wasn't exciting enough, trying to follow all the action revolving the fight to avoid getting the 8 in the West is extra exciting considering the prediction contest. I'm pretty excited that Detroit and Cleveland drew each other, that's a fun matchup to predict. I think Hornets/Lakers and Pistons/Cavs will produce the most varied guesses. It should be exciting to follow the two 1/8 games and LeBron knowing that draft position is on the line.

 

Would be fun to see a few of us on a thread as the final quarter ticks down, I'd imagine buckets and bricks in the last 3 minutes of the second 1/8 game will go a large way in determining draft order.



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