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2009 ATMD

Posted on: February 23, 2009 12:55 pm
Edited on: April 17, 2009 10:46 pm

Ok, so we are officially complete with the 2009 CPMD and crowned Skins champion.  That means we now move our attention to the big daddy of all contests, the All Time Mock Draft:


1. "You Still Really Don't Want It With Us" /  wildcatsfan1
2. "Revenge of the Smith" / Team of The Big B-Coach & Michigan Sports-GM
3. "The Legends" / Nuggets_SOS ( ATMD-08 Winner )
4. "" /  North Harbour
5. "Kemp's Kids" or "Chrisper & Friends" /  ChrisperJ10
6. "Ripnu Ginobiltons" / Team of MrRedSoxBaller-GM & BMu_1963-Coach
7. "The Ten Acid Deez" /  axesstarr
8. g8trfan_1 ( Creator of ATMD )
9. "Bad News Joe" /  Team of windy city joe-GM & BNW2-Coach
10. "The Sulphurous Nonentities" /  blood_baller
11. HurricaneDij39
12. "Josh Heytvelt's Shroom and Swish" / Team of Zagfan62 & BucFan40
13. "Dishing and Swishing"kmvenne
14. "Death by Dunk" / Team of  lakers2408 & nate75
15. "Roanoke Dimpstaffs" /  Harst
16. "champinoship crew" / Team of tfitz & GoCavs33

* All posters that have confirmed their spot and look to be part of the contest.

Note: The idea of two posters getting together as a team has come up and is not a bad idea, if that helps in making sure there are no forfeits in the matches I am all for it.  Feel free to contact someone and just post it on this blog. 

Overall Structure:

There will be a Board of Directors ( BOD ) for this years Contest: 
   Chairman of the Board ( COTB ):  The Big B
     Board Member: Nuggets_SOS
     Board Member: wildcatsfan1
     Board Member: North Harbour
     Board Member: g8trfan_1
*On matters of collusion or punishment/possible ejection of players, the COTB has total say.
*Problems before the Draft will be dealt with by the entire BOD, where majority ruling will decide the outcomes of rule structure, scheduling or game setup.
*Problems after the Draft ( during the matchups ) will be dealt with by at least 3 BOD, where majority ruling will decide the outcome of trading conflicts, rulings, or things that affect league balance.

TEAMS: Two Posters getting together and forming a team.  The "GM" will be the one who takes part in the Draft / Confirm any Trades and the "Coach" will be the one responsible for submitting the gameplans in. But of course both members can help the other.

Draft Lottery Challenge: We will be all predicting the total score of two NBA first round playoff games ( Game 1 between the two 1vs8 Seeds in each Conference ).  Whoever guesses closest to those game totals will get the first pick in the draft, the furthest away will get the last pick ( #16 ).  I WILL CREATE A THREAD IN THE MAIN NBA THREADS.  By 11:59 EST Friday, April 17th everyone will need to submit their predictions into me ( Nugs ) via pm in that thread, as I will send my own prediction into a Neutral third party ( TheSkins8 ) via pm the day before to avoid any questions.  If someone neglects to submit their pick they will be automatically the last pick in the draft.  Also, each Team needs to predict a tie-breaker total which will be the stat line of LeBron = ( total of his points, rebounds and assists ).  The morning following the 2nd game I will reveal the draft order in a thread on the main board as well as the divisions of the first round of pool play.

     For Instance you will submit to me: "385 points for the total of the two games, 48 points for LeBrons statline total".

Beginning Divisions: Slot each team based on their draft position: North would be 1,5,9,13 South would be 2,6,10,14 East would be 3,7,11,15 West would be 4,8,12,16.

NOTE: NO TRADES CAN BE FINALIZED UNTIL THE DRAFT OFFICIALLY BEGINS.  There will time in between when we have determined the picking order and the beginning of the draft ( Wednesday, 4/22/09 ).  You can discuss trading draft picks all you want but nothing is final until the draft thread is created, as that will be the place to announce any trades.

Rules for Draft:

  1. All players who have been in the NBA for at least 1 full year are eligible for the draft.  That includes Michael Jordan ( who was not eligible last year ).  Nobody is eligible that has played their entire career in the ABA. 
  2. Number of rounds staying to 10, still snake style draft ( 1-16 on odd rounds, 16-1 on even rounds ).
  3. Unlimited trading allowed ( either picks or players ) during the draft.  To be kept track by BOD's WCF and NH.  Trading will no longer be permitted 6 hours after the final pick has been made ( team 10, pick 16 ).
  4. No trading of overall picking position, for instance if someone picks 3rd and if someone picks 5th, you can't swap picking position for the entire contest.  Only can trade picks during particular rounds.
  5. Each draft pick time limit = 6 hours ( 10pmEST - 6amEST does not count toward the 6 hour time limit, but you can announce your selection during those hours ). If person doesn't draft in that time they are skipped and can come back anytime and announce their player as long as they are still available.
  6. You can change your mind on your selection as long as it's before the person picking after you announces their selection.
  7. Players are judged upon how they were in their prime of their career in the NBA, not how they played in the ABA for instance.
  8. Everyone MUST keep 3 players from their roster at the conclusion of the Draft for the entire contest, BOD NH and WCF will keep track of this throughout the contest.
  9. Teams consisting of 2 Posters: Either member of the team can announce who the selection is, unless you designate prior to the draft who is the person responsible for drafting, generally the "GM".  ( Please check the Participant List to see if we have that designation for your team yet ).

Rules for Transaction Periods:

  1. Transaction Periods = 1. Trading Players 2. Drop Excess Players 3. Add / Drop Players
  2. Number of Transaction Periods = 2 total ( 1-After 1st pool games, 2-After 2nd pool games )
  3. "Drop Excess Players" list:  At the conclusion of each trading period, just before the add drop.  Anyone who has more than 10 players on their roster has to provide a list of who they are dropping into the free agent pool.  If you don't provide the COTB your players you have to drop then he will pick them for you.
  4. "Add / Drop Period": Immediately following each trading period, order will be reverse order of seedings.
  5. Number of chances each team gets during the add / drop period is a maximum of 2, each Poster will have 4 hours to make their selection or they will be skipped, you can come back and select a player if you have been skipped as long as no one else has taken him and it's before the final selection which officially ends the process.
  6. Once you have announced your add / drop selection, you can only change your mind prior to the next Poster making their selection.
  7. Trading Players unevenly is allowed.  For instance trading 3 players for 1 player.  You must have at least 8 players after trading so that during the add / drop period you can get back to 10 players.  If you are under 8 players when the trading period is over your last trade will be null and void.  ( The SupaNugs Rule )
  8. For Transaction Period's trading restrictions include "Original" Players only.  These are players that were on your roster prior to the Trading Period that leave your roster, any players you received from other deals don't count to that total. 
  9. Getting a bonus if you vote more often during the matches, if you are part of a team then the total votes would get averaged between the two Posters ( we will round down ).  For Transaction Periods the bonus structure will be the following ( note that we included the percentages because if a game is forfeited it will not count towards the total ):
        *Vote on 0-5 Games (0-25%) - 1 Trade / 2 Players ( Possible expulsion, reviewed by BOD )
        *Vote on 6-10 Games (26-50%) - 1 Trade / 3 Players
        *Vote on 11-15 (51-75%) - 2 Trades / 5 Players
        *Vote on 16-20 Games (76-99%) - 3 Trades / 6 Players
        *Vote on 21 Games (100%) - 4 Trades / 7 Players
  10. Announcing of trades.  Once a trade is announced in the threads by ALL parties involved it's final, one team can announce as the other team can say that "I agree".  Try to avoid the skins/dcb/wcj problem that occured in the last contest.

Rules for Matches:

  1. Word Limits to gameplans, during pool periods (1000 word max ), during tournament ( 1200 word max ). Word Count does not include listing of rosters and minutes. 
  2. Requirement that each Coach must list the minutes played of each player in the gameplan, no more "Match LeBrons minutes"
  3. Requirement that each player must be designated to a particular position in the gameplans, for example if you have Moses Malone, you must say that he's playing 30min at C, then 10min at PF.
  4. Penalty if someone does not turn in a gameplan, once = forfeit, twice = removal from contest.
  5. Games that go into overtime or get "enough" votes will just continue on and won't push the next set of games back to mess up schedule. ( minimum of 10 votes in each match )  Matches that are tied in point value after 3 days will go into an overtime period of 24 hours where whichever team is leading at that time wins the match.  If it's tied still then we go into a sudden death period where the next vote wins.
  6. If someone doesn't turn in a gameplan they will lose the match by forfeit, the Poster who turned in their gameplan has the option to post only their gameplan for people to comment.  Winning team gets an automatic 8 votes for and 0 votes against ( used for tie-breaking purposes )
  7. When both teams fail to turn in gameplans, both teams get a loss and nobody gets automatic votes for or against.
  8. Votes that are "Marginal" in the contest will need to be explained further, a marginal vote is one that shows clearly the Poster didn't read the gameplans and needs to explain the reasoning further. ( Only BOD members determines marginal votes )
  9. Voting value in the game threads:
           *Votes from Sole Owners = 2 points
           *Votes from Team Owners = 1 point
           *Votes from non-participants = 1 point

Tie Breaking Procedures 

  • Winner of Pool Play Division if 2 teams have equal record: Head to Head winner.
  • Winner of Pool Play Division if 3 teams have equal records: 1. Head to Head winner against other 2 teams. 1. Overall voting percentage in the current Pool Play.
  • Placement of teams in next Pool Play: 1. Overall win-loss record 2. Overall voting percentage in previous pool play.

2009 ATMD Schedule:

Draft picking contest during first round of the NBA playoffs ( week of 4/20/09 ).

  • Key date is Friday 4/17/09 when everyone will submit their guesses in.

Draft begins 4/22/09, goes for about 4 - 6 Weeks total <---PLEASE NOTE THE CHANGE

Matches begin 6/1/09, goes for about 18 weeks which would end it around the first of October

Pool Play Round 1: Teams separated into four divisions ( North, South, East, West ) 
  Monday, 6/01/09: North-1 vs North-4, North-2 vs North-3
  Thursday, 6/04/09: South-1 vs South-4, South-2 vs South-3 
  Monday, 6/08/09: East-1 vs East-4, East-2 vs East-3
  Thursday, 6/11/09: West-1 vs West-4, West-2 vs West-3 
  Monday, 6/15/09: North-1 vs North-2, North-3 vs North-4
  Thursday, 6/18/09: South-1 vs South-2, South-3 vs South-4 
  Monday, 6/22/09: East-1 vs East-2, East-3 vs East-4
  Thursday, 6/25/09: West-1 vs West-2, West-3 vs West-4 
  Monday, 6/29/09: North-1 vs North-3, North-2 vs North-4
  Thursday, 7/03/09: South-1 vs South-3, South-2 vs South-4 
  Monday, 7/06/09: East-1 vs East-3, DEast-2 vs East-4
  Thursday, 7/09/09: West-1 vs West-2, West-2 vs West-4 + Transaction Period #2

Pool Play Round 2: Teams placed into four groups ( A, B, C, D ) Winner of each starting division in A, 2nd in B, 3rd in C, 4th in D
  Monday, 7/20/09: A1 vs A4, A2 vs A3
  Thursday, 7/23/09: B1 vs B4, B2 vs B3 
  Monday, 7/27/09: C1 vs C4, C2 vs C3
  Thursday, 7/30/09: D1 vs D4, D2 vs D3 
  Monday, 8/03/09: A1 vs A2, A3 vs A4
  Thursday, 8/06/09: B1 vs B2, B3 vs B4 
  Monday, 8/10/09: C1 vs C2, C3 vs C4
  Thursday, 8/13/09: D1 vs D2, D3 vs D4 
  Monday, 8/17/09: A1 vs A3, A2 vs A4
  Thursday, 8/20/09: B1 vs B3, B2 vs B4 
  Monday, 8/24/09: C1 vs C3, C2 vs C4
  Thursday, 8/27/09: D1 vs D2, D2 vs D4 + Transaction Period #3

Tournament: Seeds 1-4 from group A, Seeds 5-8 from group B, Seeds 9-12 from group C, Seeds 13-16 from group D
  Monday, 9/07/09: ( Round 1 ) 1 vs 16, 8 vs 9
  Thursday, 9/10/09: ( Round 1 ) 4 vs 13, 5 vs 12
  Monday, 9/14/09: ( Round 1 ) 3 vs 14, 6 vs 11
  Thursday, 9/17/09: ( Round 1 ) 2 vs 15, 7 vs 10
  Monday, 9/21/09: ( Round 2 ) 1/16 vs 8/9, 4/13 vs 5/12
  Thursday, 9/24/09: ( Round 2 ) 3/14 vs 6/11, 2/15 vs 7/10 
  Monday, 9/28/09: ( Round 3 ) 1st Seed bracket winner vs 4th Seed bracket winner
  Thursday, 10/01/09: ( Round 3 ) 3rd Seed bracket winner vs 2nd Seed bracket winner
  Tuesday, 10/06/09: ( Round 4 ) Championship Game

Contest Ends on Saturday, 10/10/09



Since: Sep 29, 2007
Posted on: April 8, 2009 3:23 pm

2009 ATMD

One thing prior to the draft we need to make sure is that any of these teams either appoint someone as the authorized person to make the selections or come up with some rule to avoid any prolems.  I sure hope we didn't open a can of worms with the team idea and everything runs smoothly.

Well this is something that me and Jake have been discussing ourselves. He think because he has the title of "GM" that he is the only one who can make trades and announce draft picks. Just like since I'm the "coach" I'm the only who can make the gameplans. But for the draft, I think (as long as both teammates can agree and keep in contact) that both should be able to announce draft picks since both should have equal say in the choice because the GM will make the trades/add-drops but the coach needs to have the players he can gameplan for.

I know me and jake will be constant contact and will discuss who will be looking to draft way before our pick is up. So what we (and all 2 man teams can do) is talk over who they are looking to draft and make a short list of who they want to draft at that pick. That way if one person is not there and the other is, then they can announce the pick to keep things running smoothly and the draft process going quicker. So, for example, if me and Jake's pick is coming up and we have about 5 players in mind for who we want we will rank them in order of who we want more. Then whoever is on at the time can make the selection when our turn comes up. But if both teammates are on, the GM will most likely be the one who announces the trade (although I'm sure both teammates will be constant discussion over who they want).

I hope there won't be any arguments between the 2 man teams. Both teammates just need to have constant contact with each other (via PMs) so they can discuss who they want to draft and what their strategies are. It might not be as easy for everyone as me and Jake because we're brothers, but it still shouldn't be too difficult considering both teammates should get along with each other and have similar views for their team.

And by the way I did another mock draft of my own to see how I felt the first couple of rounds would go, the number one pick that I pulled out of my hat went to the "Revenge of the Smith".  Good thing it was only practice...Tongue out

Oh boy, I can already hear Jake saying "I told you we should have randomized the draft order instead of doing the guessing on scores game."

Since: May 22, 2008
Posted on: April 8, 2009 2:51 pm

2009 ATMD

T-Minus 19 days until the Draft begins, all this talk about top players is getting me anxious.  Jason Kidd is definately a top PG ever, but too many people just see the Kidd of today and not the defending triple double machine that he was in the past.  A player that would be given so much more praise if he only had been a champion.  But I guess that is true of so many of the greats.  Goodfellas had himself a good team going into the ATMD tournament last year I think he just relied too much on the names of his players and didn't put forth a good plan.

Just cruised the main NBA board and can't believe they gave a "push pin" to that thread of snapper.  I never got a response from Shuless Joe on the CPMD championship game thread about getting a push pin.  Just goes to show there's not too much attention paid to the threads by those in power.  Guaranteed our Draft thread isn't going to get a pin and there will be great NBA talk in there.

One thing prior to the draft we need to make sure is that any of these teams either appoint someone as the authorized person to make the selections or come up with some rule to avoid any prolems.  I sure hope we didn't open a can of worms with the team idea and everything runs smoothly.

And by the way I did another mock draft of my own to see how I felt the first couple of rounds would go, the number one pick that I pulled out of my hat went to the "Revenge of the Smith".  Good thing it was only practice...Tongue out


Since: Jan 20, 2007
Posted on: April 8, 2009 1:57 pm

2009 ATMD

Definately top 5. 

Since: Sep 29, 2007
Posted on: April 8, 2009 1:54 pm

2009 ATMD

When did you have Kidd? I thought Goodfellas did. You had Stockton. 

I originally drafted Kidd, but traded him later in one of the trading periods. I wouldn't have traded him had he got the respect he deserved. But it didn't seem goodfellas got much more for him either. Sad because he is easily a Top 5, but got Top 20 credit. Frown

Since: Jan 20, 2007
Posted on: April 8, 2009 1:43 pm

2009 ATMD

When did you have Kidd? I thought Goodfellas did. You had Stockton. 

Since: Sep 29, 2007
Posted on: April 8, 2009 1:36 pm

2009 ATMD

Someone like a Jason Kidd was overlooked at time last year because I think some people viewed him as the recent Mavs' Kidd and not the Nets' Kidd

Is it just a coincidence that I had him too? Tongue out



Since: Sep 29, 2007
Posted on: April 8, 2009 1:34 pm

2009 ATMD

So we should judge Grant Hill from his glory days with the Pistons?

That is how it's suppose to work, but that didn't work out for me last year. Hill go hardly any credit for my team last year; I think Elmore Smith got more credit. Tongue out

Than again, maybe it was just because I'm a Pistons fan and no one else thinks he was any good. Regardless of the fact that no one other than Larry Bird and Oscar Robertson accumulated the same numbers or better for points, rebounds, and assists combined in their first 7 years. But yeah, he sucks because he became injury prone later in his career. Trust me, I don't get it either.



Since: Jan 20, 2007
Posted on: April 8, 2009 1:30 pm

2009 ATMD

Yes you judge Grant Hill from his Pistons years, not the worn down Suns or Magic player you saw. However I will point out that when you draft current players, they tend to be viewed in todays light even though they should be. The further a player is from his playing days, the more vividly their prime years are taken. Someone like a Jason Kidd was overlooked at time last year because I think some people viewed him as the recent Mavs' Kidd and not the Nets' Kidd

Since: Jun 11, 2008
Posted on: April 8, 2009 1:15 pm

2009 ATMD

So we should judge Grant Hill from his glory days with the Pistons?

Since: Jan 20, 2007
Posted on: April 8, 2009 12:55 pm

2009 ATMD

Yes, NBA players are based on the peak of their performance. Usually a 3-4 year window that they were best in. We're not talking a guy who had one great year and was never productive again. As for ABA players, you are to judge them off their performance in the NBA but it never hurts to toss out facts from their ABA days or International days in a player like thats case.

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