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2009 ATMD

Posted on: February 23, 2009 12:55 pm
Edited on: April 17, 2009 10:46 pm

Ok, so we are officially complete with the 2009 CPMD and crowned Skins champion.  That means we now move our attention to the big daddy of all contests, the All Time Mock Draft:


1. "You Still Really Don't Want It With Us" /  wildcatsfan1
2. "Revenge of the Smith" / Team of The Big B-Coach & Michigan Sports-GM
3. "The Legends" / Nuggets_SOS ( ATMD-08 Winner )
4. "" /  North Harbour
5. "Kemp's Kids" or "Chrisper & Friends" /  ChrisperJ10
6. "Ripnu Ginobiltons" / Team of MrRedSoxBaller-GM & BMu_1963-Coach
7. "The Ten Acid Deez" /  axesstarr
8. g8trfan_1 ( Creator of ATMD )
9. "Bad News Joe" /  Team of windy city joe-GM & BNW2-Coach
10. "The Sulphurous Nonentities" /  blood_baller
11. HurricaneDij39
12. "Josh Heytvelt's Shroom and Swish" / Team of Zagfan62 & BucFan40
13. "Dishing and Swishing"kmvenne
14. "Death by Dunk" / Team of  lakers2408 & nate75
15. "Roanoke Dimpstaffs" /  Harst
16. "champinoship crew" / Team of tfitz & GoCavs33

* All posters that have confirmed their spot and look to be part of the contest.

Note: The idea of two posters getting together as a team has come up and is not a bad idea, if that helps in making sure there are no forfeits in the matches I am all for it.  Feel free to contact someone and just post it on this blog. 

Overall Structure:

There will be a Board of Directors ( BOD ) for this years Contest: 
   Chairman of the Board ( COTB ):  The Big B
     Board Member: Nuggets_SOS
     Board Member: wildcatsfan1
     Board Member: North Harbour
     Board Member: g8trfan_1
*On matters of collusion or punishment/possible ejection of players, the COTB has total say.
*Problems before the Draft will be dealt with by the entire BOD, where majority ruling will decide the outcomes of rule structure, scheduling or game setup.
*Problems after the Draft ( during the matchups ) will be dealt with by at least 3 BOD, where majority ruling will decide the outcome of trading conflicts, rulings, or things that affect league balance.

TEAMS: Two Posters getting together and forming a team.  The "GM" will be the one who takes part in the Draft / Confirm any Trades and the "Coach" will be the one responsible for submitting the gameplans in. But of course both members can help the other.

Draft Lottery Challenge: We will be all predicting the total score of two NBA first round playoff games ( Game 1 between the two 1vs8 Seeds in each Conference ).  Whoever guesses closest to those game totals will get the first pick in the draft, the furthest away will get the last pick ( #16 ).  I WILL CREATE A THREAD IN THE MAIN NBA THREADS.  By 11:59 EST Friday, April 17th everyone will need to submit their predictions into me ( Nugs ) via pm in that thread, as I will send my own prediction into a Neutral third party ( TheSkins8 ) via pm the day before to avoid any questions.  If someone neglects to submit their pick they will be automatically the last pick in the draft.  Also, each Team needs to predict a tie-breaker total which will be the stat line of LeBron = ( total of his points, rebounds and assists ).  The morning following the 2nd game I will reveal the draft order in a thread on the main board as well as the divisions of the first round of pool play.

     For Instance you will submit to me: "385 points for the total of the two games, 48 points for LeBrons statline total".

Beginning Divisions: Slot each team based on their draft position: North would be 1,5,9,13 South would be 2,6,10,14 East would be 3,7,11,15 West would be 4,8,12,16.

NOTE: NO TRADES CAN BE FINALIZED UNTIL THE DRAFT OFFICIALLY BEGINS.  There will time in between when we have determined the picking order and the beginning of the draft ( Wednesday, 4/22/09 ).  You can discuss trading draft picks all you want but nothing is final until the draft thread is created, as that will be the place to announce any trades.

Rules for Draft:

  1. All players who have been in the NBA for at least 1 full year are eligible for the draft.  That includes Michael Jordan ( who was not eligible last year ).  Nobody is eligible that has played their entire career in the ABA. 
  2. Number of rounds staying to 10, still snake style draft ( 1-16 on odd rounds, 16-1 on even rounds ).
  3. Unlimited trading allowed ( either picks or players ) during the draft.  To be kept track by BOD's WCF and NH.  Trading will no longer be permitted 6 hours after the final pick has been made ( team 10, pick 16 ).
  4. No trading of overall picking position, for instance if someone picks 3rd and if someone picks 5th, you can't swap picking position for the entire contest.  Only can trade picks during particular rounds.
  5. Each draft pick time limit = 6 hours ( 10pmEST - 6amEST does not count toward the 6 hour time limit, but you can announce your selection during those hours ). If person doesn't draft in that time they are skipped and can come back anytime and announce their player as long as they are still available.
  6. You can change your mind on your selection as long as it's before the person picking after you announces their selection.
  7. Players are judged upon how they were in their prime of their career in the NBA, not how they played in the ABA for instance.
  8. Everyone MUST keep 3 players from their roster at the conclusion of the Draft for the entire contest, BOD NH and WCF will keep track of this throughout the contest.
  9. Teams consisting of 2 Posters: Either member of the team can announce who the selection is, unless you designate prior to the draft who is the person responsible for drafting, generally the "GM".  ( Please check the Participant List to see if we have that designation for your team yet ).

Rules for Transaction Periods:

  1. Transaction Periods = 1. Trading Players 2. Drop Excess Players 3. Add / Drop Players
  2. Number of Transaction Periods = 2 total ( 1-After 1st pool games, 2-After 2nd pool games )
  3. "Drop Excess Players" list:  At the conclusion of each trading period, just before the add drop.  Anyone who has more than 10 players on their roster has to provide a list of who they are dropping into the free agent pool.  If you don't provide the COTB your players you have to drop then he will pick them for you.
  4. "Add / Drop Period": Immediately following each trading period, order will be reverse order of seedings.
  5. Number of chances each team gets during the add / drop period is a maximum of 2, each Poster will have 4 hours to make their selection or they will be skipped, you can come back and select a player if you have been skipped as long as no one else has taken him and it's before the final selection which officially ends the process.
  6. Once you have announced your add / drop selection, you can only change your mind prior to the next Poster making their selection.
  7. Trading Players unevenly is allowed.  For instance trading 3 players for 1 player.  You must have at least 8 players after trading so that during the add / drop period you can get back to 10 players.  If you are under 8 players when the trading period is over your last trade will be null and void.  ( The SupaNugs Rule )
  8. For Transaction Period's trading restrictions include "Original" Players only.  These are players that were on your roster prior to the Trading Period that leave your roster, any players you received from other deals don't count to that total. 
  9. Getting a bonus if you vote more often during the matches, if you are part of a team then the total votes would get averaged between the two Posters ( we will round down ).  For Transaction Periods the bonus structure will be the following ( note that we included the percentages because if a game is forfeited it will not count towards the total ):
        *Vote on 0-5 Games (0-25%) - 1 Trade / 2 Players ( Possible expulsion, reviewed by BOD )
        *Vote on 6-10 Games (26-50%) - 1 Trade / 3 Players
        *Vote on 11-15 (51-75%) - 2 Trades / 5 Players
        *Vote on 16-20 Games (76-99%) - 3 Trades / 6 Players
        *Vote on 21 Games (100%) - 4 Trades / 7 Players
  10. Announcing of trades.  Once a trade is announced in the threads by ALL parties involved it's final, one team can announce as the other team can say that "I agree".  Try to avoid the skins/dcb/wcj problem that occured in the last contest.

Rules for Matches:

  1. Word Limits to gameplans, during pool periods (1000 word max ), during tournament ( 1200 word max ). Word Count does not include listing of rosters and minutes. 
  2. Requirement that each Coach must list the minutes played of each player in the gameplan, no more "Match LeBrons minutes"
  3. Requirement that each player must be designated to a particular position in the gameplans, for example if you have Moses Malone, you must say that he's playing 30min at C, then 10min at PF.
  4. Penalty if someone does not turn in a gameplan, once = forfeit, twice = removal from contest.
  5. Games that go into overtime or get "enough" votes will just continue on and won't push the next set of games back to mess up schedule. ( minimum of 10 votes in each match )  Matches that are tied in point value after 3 days will go into an overtime period of 24 hours where whichever team is leading at that time wins the match.  If it's tied still then we go into a sudden death period where the next vote wins.
  6. If someone doesn't turn in a gameplan they will lose the match by forfeit, the Poster who turned in their gameplan has the option to post only their gameplan for people to comment.  Winning team gets an automatic 8 votes for and 0 votes against ( used for tie-breaking purposes )
  7. When both teams fail to turn in gameplans, both teams get a loss and nobody gets automatic votes for or against.
  8. Votes that are "Marginal" in the contest will need to be explained further, a marginal vote is one that shows clearly the Poster didn't read the gameplans and needs to explain the reasoning further. ( Only BOD members determines marginal votes )
  9. Voting value in the game threads:
           *Votes from Sole Owners = 2 points
           *Votes from Team Owners = 1 point
           *Votes from non-participants = 1 point

Tie Breaking Procedures 

  • Winner of Pool Play Division if 2 teams have equal record: Head to Head winner.
  • Winner of Pool Play Division if 3 teams have equal records: 1. Head to Head winner against other 2 teams. 1. Overall voting percentage in the current Pool Play.
  • Placement of teams in next Pool Play: 1. Overall win-loss record 2. Overall voting percentage in previous pool play.

2009 ATMD Schedule:

Draft picking contest during first round of the NBA playoffs ( week of 4/20/09 ).

  • Key date is Friday 4/17/09 when everyone will submit their guesses in.

Draft begins 4/22/09, goes for about 4 - 6 Weeks total <---PLEASE NOTE THE CHANGE

Matches begin 6/1/09, goes for about 18 weeks which would end it around the first of October

Pool Play Round 1: Teams separated into four divisions ( North, South, East, West ) 
  Monday, 6/01/09: North-1 vs North-4, North-2 vs North-3
  Thursday, 6/04/09: South-1 vs South-4, South-2 vs South-3 
  Monday, 6/08/09: East-1 vs East-4, East-2 vs East-3
  Thursday, 6/11/09: West-1 vs West-4, West-2 vs West-3 
  Monday, 6/15/09: North-1 vs North-2, North-3 vs North-4
  Thursday, 6/18/09: South-1 vs South-2, South-3 vs South-4 
  Monday, 6/22/09: East-1 vs East-2, East-3 vs East-4
  Thursday, 6/25/09: West-1 vs West-2, West-3 vs West-4 
  Monday, 6/29/09: North-1 vs North-3, North-2 vs North-4
  Thursday, 7/03/09: South-1 vs South-3, South-2 vs South-4 
  Monday, 7/06/09: East-1 vs East-3, DEast-2 vs East-4
  Thursday, 7/09/09: West-1 vs West-2, West-2 vs West-4 + Transaction Period #2

Pool Play Round 2: Teams placed into four groups ( A, B, C, D ) Winner of each starting division in A, 2nd in B, 3rd in C, 4th in D
  Monday, 7/20/09: A1 vs A4, A2 vs A3
  Thursday, 7/23/09: B1 vs B4, B2 vs B3 
  Monday, 7/27/09: C1 vs C4, C2 vs C3
  Thursday, 7/30/09: D1 vs D4, D2 vs D3 
  Monday, 8/03/09: A1 vs A2, A3 vs A4
  Thursday, 8/06/09: B1 vs B2, B3 vs B4 
  Monday, 8/10/09: C1 vs C2, C3 vs C4
  Thursday, 8/13/09: D1 vs D2, D3 vs D4 
  Monday, 8/17/09: A1 vs A3, A2 vs A4
  Thursday, 8/20/09: B1 vs B3, B2 vs B4 
  Monday, 8/24/09: C1 vs C3, C2 vs C4
  Thursday, 8/27/09: D1 vs D2, D2 vs D4 + Transaction Period #3

Tournament: Seeds 1-4 from group A, Seeds 5-8 from group B, Seeds 9-12 from group C, Seeds 13-16 from group D
  Monday, 9/07/09: ( Round 1 ) 1 vs 16, 8 vs 9
  Thursday, 9/10/09: ( Round 1 ) 4 vs 13, 5 vs 12
  Monday, 9/14/09: ( Round 1 ) 3 vs 14, 6 vs 11
  Thursday, 9/17/09: ( Round 1 ) 2 vs 15, 7 vs 10
  Monday, 9/21/09: ( Round 2 ) 1/16 vs 8/9, 4/13 vs 5/12
  Thursday, 9/24/09: ( Round 2 ) 3/14 vs 6/11, 2/15 vs 7/10 
  Monday, 9/28/09: ( Round 3 ) 1st Seed bracket winner vs 4th Seed bracket winner
  Thursday, 10/01/09: ( Round 3 ) 3rd Seed bracket winner vs 2nd Seed bracket winner
  Tuesday, 10/06/09: ( Round 4 ) Championship Game

Contest Ends on Saturday, 10/10/09



Since: Apr 11, 2008
Posted on: April 8, 2009 12:28 pm

2009 ATMD

Just something I want to get clarified.  I voted in several of these games last year, but we are to judge the players as they were in their prime right?  and for ABA players that also played NBA, we are only to judge them based on their NBA careers correct? 

Since: Jan 20, 2007
Posted on: April 8, 2009 12:21 pm

2009 ATMD

Well picks are due a week from friday. Is there anything else we need to get done for the rules before then? We should get this finalized. 

Since: Sep 29, 2007
Posted on: April 7, 2009 3:48 pm

2009 ATMD

I think as of right now the list of rules and regulations is set, please take a minute and read through them again and let me know if anything else needs to be brought up to the BOD.  Thanks.

Voting value in the game threads: ( Details to be finalized by the BOD ).
; *Votes from Sole Owners = 2 points

; *Votes from Team Owners = 1 point

; *Votes from non-participants = 1 point

Now I know how me, you, and WCF feel on the subject but I don't think I've heard what NH and g8trfan have to say. In the very beginning they were against 2 teams getting a vote, but I never seen either one agree to this system. I'm just saying, that I would have liked to see an official vote since it was a highly deliberated topic with no compromised solution. Especially the part on non-participants votes being half as well. I don't ever remember discussing or seeing that topic discussed.

Since: Jan 20, 2007
Posted on: April 7, 2009 3:21 pm

2009 ATMD

I'll get it to you when I get home Axe. I need your email. That goes for anyone else who would like a copy as well. Yes, even you two Biggy and Jakey. 

Since: May 22, 2008
Posted on: April 7, 2009 2:49 pm

2009 ATMD


Attention all Participants:

I think as of right now the list of rules and regulations is set, please take a minute and read through them again and let me know if anything else needs to be brought up to the BOD.  Thanks.

Next Thursday ( 4/16/09 ), the day after the final regular season games finish up I will create a thread on the main board for everyone to pm their predictions into me.  The predictions have to be submitted by Friday night at midnight.  Then once the games are complete I will reveal the order of the draft and then we can see who is going to get the top two picks and answer the question of "who's on first?" 


Since: Nov 13, 2007
Posted on: April 7, 2009 1:40 pm

2009 ATMD


let me see that spread sheet of how the picks landed last year...

gone 'head give it to me cuz I know u got it on ya

Since: Sep 29, 2007
Posted on: April 7, 2009 1:22 pm

2009 ATMD

It was a leaguewide rule that there was no 3 seconds. How does that cater to him? Nice argument. Jordan got away with stuff like walking, pushing off, etc. that other players were called for.Thats what it means to have something CATERED to you. Wilt took advantage of the rules in place. Jordan broke them with no punishments. When they have to change the rules because of how dominant you are, thats when you know your in the GOAT discussion.

Don't act like Jordan is the only one in history to ever have the refs favor him when making calls. It's like that with all superstars, but there is no way you can credit the majority of their success to the refs because they weren't always superstars and had to reach that status with their great play. And the rules that Wilt "took advantage of" gave him a lot better advantage than the refs gave to MJ.

For the record, so everyone can understand, Biggy has a universal hatred for Wilt after he and the rest of my team deficated on his team in our Quaterfinal match, that wasnt even as close as the blowout score indicated. So anyone who gets him this year (perhaps even myself), expect a lot of hatred towards him from Biggy.

Haha, just for the record so everyone can understand, WCF has a blind hatred for me and my brother. I don't have hate for Wilt, but I just don't believe he is the best center of all time or even a top 5 all time player. That's my opinion, and we all have different opinions. You need to get off your high horse and stop thinking your opinion is the only one that matters. That's why you can't win in these competitions.

Jordan? You can say he never won without Pippen. Kareem? Only won when he had Oscar and then on the Lakers teams with a starting 5 full of stars. Never won anything on his own. And do your research, Wilt won a title with the 76ers. Come with the right facts before you try calling someone out.

So you're going to compare Pippen to Jerry West and or Elgin Baylor. Sorry, that's a ridiculous argument, even for you WCF.

Haha yea Im sure the Brad Millers, David Lees, Tyson Chandlers, Kendrick Perkins, and Amir Johnsons of the world would have their way with him. He was so much more athletic and skilled than almost any center in the game's history it would be embarassing what he would do to today's centers.

He was only far superior in athleticism and skills for his era. As far as athleticism goes, I'd put Hakeem Olajuwon over him without a doubt in that category. I'd like to see him go up against guys like Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, etc. and still do half of what he did.

Like I stated, Jordan would have been great in any era, but put him in any era when he can do no wrong, couldn't carry (which was suppose to still be a rule in his days) and he's a HOF but not GOAT. Again, I'll back up my talk by not taking Jordan with a top 5 pick if I have one. Lets see if Biggy has the 3rd pick and Jordan and say Kareem are gone if he doesn't go get Wilt.

Now I'm not stupid, I know the kind of love Wilt gets, so regardless of my personal opinions on him, if there is no other player who be better to built around is left, then yes I would take Wilt. See, I understand that these competitions are about everyone's opinions and not just my own. If I only thought with my opinions, I'd pick Ben Wallace as my starting center.

Just to further add to my long list of all-time basketball superiority to Big B, not only do you look foolish in saying Wilt never won a title till he was on a stacked Lakers team when in fact he did win one with the 76ers as their leader and best player, but his 66-67' team that did win it was voted the greatest team in the history of the NBA when they held their 35th anniversary. 

I'm sorry if I left it out, but what I had meant was he could never win without many other talented players around him. Even that 76ers team had Billy Cunningham, Hal Greer, and Chet Walker. Now they are not Jerry West or Elgin Baylor, but those 3 are still all time great players. So he couldn't win with a team like MJ's or Kareem's Bucks, or Tim Duncan's Spurs.

Point proven. Thank you Jakey. Hypocrisy at its finest.

How is what my brother says in hypocrisy? When did he ever say anything about Wilt? Do you even know what hypocrisy means? Is this jsut more blind hate toward me and brother? (the answer is probably the last one)

One of the single most impressive stats is Wilt vs. Russell, averaged 28/28.  Not in a few games but all the games he played against the greatest defending bigman of all time.

Bill Russell was one of the best bigmen in that era, but he was still only 6'8" - 6'9" and Wilt was 7'0" - 7'1". That is a 4-5 inch difference between them so of course it would be hard for Russell to slow Wilt. That's not even counting the weight difference (which I'm guessing was around 30-40 pounds). I'm sure it would be hard for Russell to slow Shaq, Kareem, Moses Malone, or even Olajuwon because of their size advantage.


Since: May 22, 2008
Posted on: April 7, 2009 11:46 am

2009 ATMD

For the sake of argument I hope Biggy and MS dont get Jordan

Yea, me to.  Wink

I hope WCF doesnt land Wilt

If he gets a top 2 pick for the 3rd consective year he's got some serious luck on his side.  As much as we can all attempt to predict the totals of those games to land the first overall pick it's really going to come down to some luck. 

As to Charles Barkley, I really think that for most of the games Jakey had him at the Power Forward spot which of course he played but when you consider that this is All Time players and many people had bascially centers at PF he should of been put down at SF.  That way he can use his round mound to rebound, still pop the outside shot and still have the athleticism to cover most SF's.  How fun would of it been to see a Chuck in his prime vs. LeBron of today? 

As to Wilt Chamberlain, I am wavering back and forth if I was lucky enough to land the first pick if I'd take him or Jordan.  Wilt didn't have the drive that Jordan did, but he scored at will with most times 85% effort ( as we all know he saved most of his effort for after the game where he pilled up the famous 20k list ).  One of the single most impressive stats is Wilt vs. Russell, averaged 28/28.  Not in a few games but all the games he played against the greatest defending bigman of all time.


Since: Nov 13, 2007
Posted on: April 7, 2009 11:15 am

2009 ATMD


For the sake of argument I hope Biggy and MS dont get Jordan


I hope WCF doesnt land Wilt


Having any one of those guys does make life a lil easier but I'm not expecting to get either, though I'd jump at the opportunity.

We know the top 10 pick (in no specific order)

  1. Jordan
  2. Wilt
  3. Kareem
  4. Bird
  5. Magic
  6. Russel
  7. Shaq
  8. Kobe
  9. Duncan
  10. Jerry West

actually its a top 9 number 10 is up in the air


    Since: Jun 11, 2008
    Posted on: April 7, 2009 10:43 am

    2009 ATMD

    Point proven. Thank you Jakey. Hypocrisy at its finest.


    Not so much.  Jakey is the GM so what ever he says goes.  Just because they pick wilt doesn't mean Bigs will be 100% okay with it.  I think there are others he would choose over Wilt.  Magic, Big O, and Bird could be one.  If they do choose him though I would be very interested in Brandon's reaction.

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