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What Is Wrong With People Part II

Posted on: August 8, 2008 4:48 pm
 

First of all, thanks go out to everyone for the replies in my first attempt at a blog.  I may have found a reason for the way some people act.

This past Monday, I was off work.  My wife asked me to go with her to get school supplies for the kids.  In the past I've financed the back to school purchases, but I have never gone with them.  So we head out to the Chinese Military Industries Mega Super Store, excuse me, Wal-Mart to purchase school supplies.  Suprisingly enough, there were no problems in the parking lot.  We make our way over to the rack that has the lists for each school and grade.  My wife gets the lists, and we head to the area in the store that has the school supplies.  My wife has the lists, so I have no idea what is on there. 

The first thing on the list is pencils.  I tell her that she doesn't have to get any for the girl because I had already got some that were real girly looking and had her name on them because I knew she would like them.  My wife tells me that they can't use those.  Everyone has to have the same kind of pencils, and when they get to school the first day, the teachers get all the pencils, sharpen all of them, and put them in a bucket at the front of the class for everyone to use.  My jaw hit the floor.  Not only was I buying pencils for my own kids, but I'm footing the bill for others' kids also.  It gets better.

Other than some other essentials like notebooks, folders, paper, and scissors that were for my own kids the next few items on the lists got me even worse.  We had to buy toilet paper, soap, and paper towels.  That's right, toilet paper, soap, and paper towels.  Now the veins are popping out in my head and neck.  Normally, I'm a pretty quiet person, and it takes alot to get me rattled.  But this sure did it.  I ask my wife if these items were for our kids or the school (she works for the school by the way).  She says they are for the school.  So I ask her why is it that we have to supply toilet paper et al for the school.  That should've been one of the first things to be budgeted.  She says it's so they can spend more money for "furthering education for at risk students".  I asked her to explain that in English to me.  Come to find out, it's for those who cannot speak English and the welfare kids. 

So I ask her where are all the tax dollars going that the schools get.  When I was in school, which was 18 years ago, we did not have to furnish paper towels, or soap, or toilet paper, or anything else except for our own personal school supplies.  That was a given.  We didn't have all the touchy - feely feel good about yourself, it's ok if you can't pass we'll lower the standards until you do pass, go ahead and act like a fool you won't get punished programs at the school where I went.  We knew that if we screwed up at school, not only would the football coach get the "Board Of Education" out, but we'd get another one when we got home.  We didn't even have air conditioning at my school.  Imagine the lawsuits that would be brought about today for having to go to school in the south in August without air.  There we were, though, sitting in class in the Mississippi heat.  With school supplied toilet paper.

She never could tell me exactly where my tax dollars go.  When the state of Mississippi legallized the sale of hard liquor in 1966, the tax charged on each bottle was supposed to be set aside for education.  When gambling was legallized in about 1989, that tax money was supposed to be set aside for education.  A part of my property taxes is supposed to go toward education.  Some of the tax when you buy a tag for your vehicle (which is very expensive in this state) goes toward education.  And the state taxes that come out of my paycheck every 2 weeks goes towards education and is dispersed to the ones on welfare.  Lest I forget, the state is also sitting on billions of dollars that was part of the tobacco lawsuits that were settled a few years ago.  I know the money isn't going to the teachers.  The teachers in this state are paid the least of any in the country.  If all this money is going towards education, then why is this state at the bottom of the list for test scores?

To sum things up, I have found out what is wrong with people.  They start school in kindergarten being taught that everyone is supposed to hand out everything they need for the rest of their lives.  They have no reason to try to better themselves.  If they can't afford something, they think someone ought to give it to them.  If they can't pass a test, lower the standards.  If you don't want to exercise in PE class, get a note from home.  If you don't want to be punished, get a note from home saying not to punish you.  All these cradle to grave entitlements can work in a country like Sweden or Denmark where the population is maybe 3-5 million, but it cannot work in the United States that has a population of 300 million.  We as a country need to wake up and remember how we got to be this great country, or else we're going to wake up one day to being a communist country.

 

Category: General
Tags: kids, school
 
Comments

Since: Jul 19, 2007
Posted on: August 13, 2008 2:18 pm
 

What Is Wrong With People Part II

Jazzman61......Enjoyed reading your description of the "kitchen" experience.  We are the government and it was as the result of us who were vocal and active re the illegal alien problem that it is now a topic both on the political level and people's communications with one another such as on this site.  The gov. is made up of people - not all the brightest, not all the most unselfish, not all uninterested in power, not all uninterested in acquiring personal wealth, not all uninterested in doing that which actually raises their own level of wealth......so we cannot blame the gov. - only those who have not cared to solve the problem and were apathetic and did not engage in searching for any solutions are to blame.

It is due to an insane notion that anyone born in America is a citizen - even if the parent/parents are illegals - so we do not describe those who have been here for generations as the result of those who came here illegally as illegals.....we are describing the influx of first offenders - or those who appear and disappear over and over and over.  Regarding those who create and maintain sanctuary cities within our Country - I would say they are also a part of criminal activity - aiding and abetting.  Seems to me that if they care so very much for the illegals their moving to the countries of origin should be their activity - not forcing us to accept their criminal activity - they need to go to the source of the problem, ie the third world countries.

With all the many years of human folly throughout history it just seems we are extremely terrible tenants and perhaps our being evicted is the only real solution for our constant absurdities........certainly allowing illegal invasions is one of those absurdities!

 

 



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Since: Jun 16, 2007
Posted on: August 13, 2008 2:11 pm
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Since: Feb 13, 2007
Posted on: August 12, 2008 9:44 pm
 

What Is Wrong With People Part II

You said:

"However, as long as an environment exists where the borders are inadequately patrolled and the illegal can have an expectation of income, housing, and education, expecting people to stay put in a corrupt and impoverished country is unrealistic.  Take away the incentive to being here would go a lot further."

Take away the incentive for a better life here?  Does that mean make our country trashy and ruin our economy  and educational quality to remove the attraction for living here? 

 

Xerxes -

That is not at all what I mean.  What I do mean is that the very loopholes that allow abuse by illegals are widely abused by U.S. citizens.  As a former Federal Employee with the IRS, I see loopholes in more than just the tax system.  They are rampant in many of the entitlement programs.  So close the loopholes that exist in these programs and some of the explicit incentives go away.  For instance, require proof of citizenship, not just proof of residence, to enroll in schools.  An illegal family with school age children not going to school stands out for INS reporting does it not?  Create a SSN verification system for employers so that those who are honest can report those seeking employment un der fradulent ones.   Allow local law enforcement to report illegals ro Homeland Security.  As I understand it, certain privacy issues prevent the free flow of information to Federal Authorities.  I could go on but I will presume you get my point - which is the U.S. would not be so attractive to "invade" if income, education, and entitlements were not so easy to fraudulently claim and abuse. 

BTW, I am sure the concentration in Chicago is not as it is in the Southwest, but do not fool youself.  They come here too.  I was a Tax Collector.  I once entered the kitchen of a large coporately run cafeteria on a collection case.  I was looking for the person in charge and was asked by a cook could she help me.  I pulled out my Treasury Credentials and said IRS.  Two third of the kitchen staff ran out the back door because they interpreted I.R.S. as I.N.S.  It was funny and telling at the same time.  They have relatives who "sponsor" them by providing housing and such already living in many large cities despite harsh winters.  Desperate people adapt. 

As far as my objection to the term invaders, it stems from the fact that there are many that have been here for illegally for 2 generations.  While they are illegal, their children and grandchildren are not.  They have broken no laws (other than immigration laws), raised families, and by now are just as or more American than a recently naturalized legal immigrant.  There is no way to treat them differently than the one who is still sunburned from his desert trek and only interested in criminal activity?   Again, the term is to black and white for me.  I learned long ago there are always shades of gray with any issue and with a stroke of a pen, what was once illegal now isn't.  And. no matter how hardline one chooses to be on the topic, rounding up Millions of illegals for deportation is not a realistic solution. 

  • Secure the borders - A wall, a fence, more patrols - whatever it takes.
  • Sensibly punish all abusing our providence and fix so such abuse is rooted out, prevented, or at least strongly discouraged.  This applies to U.S. citizens as well.
  • Penalize, heavily, employers who hire illegals and refuse to cooperate with citizenship and SSN verification
  • And create a path to legal residency and citizenship for those already here who have no documented history of criminal activity.  Deport all others.

It's just my opinion, but it is far more practical, empathetic, and doable than attempting to deport miilions.  That is what I was attempting to get accross.  I do see it as a huge problem and drain on our resources.  I am not in favor of ignoring that or it remaining easy to enter this country illegally.  But, as long as the Government does not staff the agencies and enact laws and rules that decrease and punish fraudlent activity, the problem will fester.




Since: Jul 19, 2007
Posted on: August 12, 2008 5:03 pm
 

What Is Wrong With People Part II

xerxes10......such an impressive and in depth thought re your :  "Take away the incentive for a better life here?  Does that mean make our Country trashy and ruin our economy and educational quality to remove the attraction for living here?"  On a scale from 1 to 10 those sentences are a 100!  Perfect reasoning!  Yea for commonsense and logic - long may both exist - and we need every bit we can get!

Thank you for yours!



xerxes10
Since: Jun 16, 2007
Posted on: August 12, 2008 4:51 pm
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Since: Jul 19, 2007
Posted on: August 12, 2008 4:18 pm
 

What Is Wrong With People Part II

bluesman24.....thank you for having read my comments and considering them. - that is appreciated.....and yes, indeed - Peace!  Although judging from past history and the present that entity known as peace is very elusive....but we must always have the goal in mind.....for those currently here and all future inhabitants - everyone and everything suffers as the result of mankind's flaws.



Since: Jul 19, 2007
Posted on: August 12, 2008 4:13 pm
 

What Is Wrong With People Part II

Jazzman61....you are not on my fav list because you are not articulate and do not have a functioning brain!  Just to clarify I do not "lump" the illegals together with others who disrespect our system....in fact I precisely want to have happen that which would totally eliminate any possible "lumping" - ie deporting the illegals - thereby they are not here to be "lumped" with anyone!....... and closing the revolving doors they are so adept at using....... surely if we had the ability to actually land on the moon well over 30 years ago we can devise a way to close our borders effectively.

To uncomplicate the problem: regardless of who is to blame for the negatives caused by illegals the problem remains - they need to be stopped and deported.  Perhaps the term "invaders" is not pallatable to many but it is the truth and as I keep repeating the truth is a stand alone entity - and without it we have no basis for civilization.  They have invaded our land...that is the truth.....they are here illegally ....that is the truth.....they are causing many negatives or adding to existing negatives.....that is the truth.....America could continue without illegals....that is the truth!

And least we forget - we are the government!....that for the most part the politicians are inept, corrupt and selfish is our fault because they are not in gov. illegally! - we vote them in! of course our choices are sometimes which is the least worst but still we the people need to speak up for our Country....which I might add I do - in phone calls and emails and letters....not just posting on this site!  I personally campaign for those I think are thinking and thinking of our Country!  I strongly believe "putting my money where my mouth is"!, ie putting forth the time and effort to make this Country all it can and should be......for its citizens....CITIZENS.



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Since: Jun 16, 2007
Posted on: August 12, 2008 1:59 pm
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Since: Feb 13, 2007
Posted on: August 12, 2008 1:57 pm
 

What Is Wrong With People Part II

I am sorry, NSBradley.  I respectfully disagree with a hardline view as seeing these people as invaders.  I see that POV as rhetoric driven and it offers no realistic solution to the problem.  That is not to say that I am not in favor of some sensible laws and enforcement thereof - especially when you talk about securing our borders.  And, no, I do not reside in a border State.  But, I live in Chicago where many migrate to.  And, many of our "entitlement" programs are abused by illegals as well as U.S. citizens.  IMO, that is more of the Government's fault than it is anyone elses.  People employed to administrate our tax system, the SSA, Housing programs, Immigration, and even general law enforcement are blamed.  Yet, they are under staffed to enforce what is widespread abuse by far more thab just illegals.  That is what informs my POV.  Section 8 and other government entitlements are rife with abuse from U.S. citizens.  To frame that abuse as an illegal immigrant problem is shortsighted rhetoric.  Fix the problem at it's root and an illegal cannot abuse it.  Make those who employ people follow stringent documentation requirements and severely punish those who do not.  Staff your agencies from Immigration to the IRS to protect our borders and our Treasury.

However, as long as an environment exists where the borders are inadequately patrolled and the illegal can have an expectation of income, housing, and education, expecting people to stay put in a corrupt and impoverished country is unrealistic.  Take away the incentive to being here would go a lot further.  I try to view things honestly and fairly.  I understand that a small business man cannot pay liberal wages and make a profit.  But, I also know that many well funded industries pad already sufficient profits by exploiting the Government's inability to stem the flow of easily exploited, cheap labor. 

Then from the idea that those who have come here illegally but obey laws, build solid families, and have established sound foothold with their children are lumped in with those who do not, is that fair?  This is what I mean by speaking to the values of our country.  Are you sure you want to lump them all into the criminals and abusers while ignoring that many people, mainly our own,  abuse our systems and providence?    This is the complexity I speak of.  So, no, I refuse to endorse a POV that says they are all illegally here and by nature criminal invaders.  Especially when what is legal versus illegal is at the whim of any Government.  My opposition to your POV has nothing to do with Liberal v. Conservative or any other labels other than what is practical, productive, empathetic and makes sense.  It is idealistic.  But, IMO, it does more to advance a realistic solution to what we both agree is a problem that needs to be addressed.  Our differnces on this is about what is the most practical and humane way to proceed in solving it.



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Posted on: August 12, 2008 1:51 pm
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