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Vote for the 3 Greatest RELIEF Pitchers Ever

Posted on: May 31, 2009 8:16 pm
 
     Welcome to my blog everyone and thanks to everyone who has been participating in my search to put together the greatest baseball team of all time.  This week we will be completing our pitching staff by picking our 3 late inning relief pitchers. 

     Before we get to the list of candidates and their career statistics, its time to announce who you voted in as the 7 greatest starting pitchers.  Well, actually you voted in the top 6 as there was a 3 way tie for 7th, so I went to the liberty that I afford myself since I don't vote, to break the tie.  Here are the magnificent 7 with their vote totals listed.  The top 5 will be the starting rotation and the 6th and 7th place guys will be the middle/long relief guys.  

1.  Walter Johnson - 23 votes  (Good pick folks, I'll happily take him as my ace)
2.  Cy Young - 21 votes (once again, I like him there)
3.  Sandy Koufax - 15 votes (3rd best ever?  Probably not, but a lefty should go middle of rotation)
4.  Christy Mathewson - 15 votes (Probably is 3rd best ever)
5.  Bob Gibson - 14 votes (best option of 14 vote getting starters)
6.  Nolan Ryan - 14 votes (Perhaps my favorite pitcher of the bunch but not one of my top 7)
7.  Greg Maddux - 9 votes (I picked Maddux over Spahn and Seaver who also received 9 votes.  Comparing the stats was an interesting comparison and none of the 3 were overwhelming favorites over the other 2.  I went with Maddux because he just didn't walk people)

      I probably wouldn't have had Koufax, Gibson and Ryan on my list of top 7.  In fact there are 8 pitchers that weren't in the top 7 in the voting that I'd take over those 3.  I'd have taken lefties Lefty Grove, Rube Waddell or Randy Johnson over Koufax and righties Ed Walsh, Addie Joss, Mordecai Brown, Roger Clemens or Pedro Martinez over both Gibby and the Express.   One more comment before we move on to relief pitchers.  I looked over all the stats from Satchell Paige from both his Negro League days and his major leagues.  There just wasn't a way to compile a stat for him like the majors.  He was way up in age when he finally had his chance to play in the majors and despite his advanced age, he still pitched impressively.  Had he been afforded the opportunity to play in the major leagues like all the others on the list had, there's an outstanding chance that he'd be a member of the magnificent 7. 

    OK, now to the matter at hand.   I have compiled a list of statistics for who I feel are the 28 greatest relief pitchers of all time.   This actually took a bit more research than all the other positions so far, because there are only 5 relief pitchers in the Hall of Fame.   I usually start my list with hall of famers, then look over recent players who played at or near hall of fame levels.   Unlike all other positions, relievers became much more relevent in the 1970s and their role has increased as the decades have passed.   I only ask my voters to please take in account that the role of the closer has been much different in the past 10-12 years than it did from the 70s to the mid 90s.   Up until the 90s, many closers were brought into tie games or close games as early as the 7th inning.   Thus, they didn't put up the huge save numbers and got more decisions.   People in my age bracket realize this, I just wanted to inform the younger voters.   OK, I've chattered long enough, here is my list.  I'm sorry if I left off one of your favorites, but this is my team and if your guy isn't on this list, it means I don't want him on my all-time team.  Yell

PITCHER                      GAMES     INNINGS     WINS     LOSSES     SAVES     ERA     STRIKEOUTS    WALKS     WHIP     ERA+

Mariano Rivera              871         1044.0       68         50            492        2.29     960                245         1.021    199
Dennis Eckersley            1071       3285.2       197       171          390        3.50     2401              738          1.161    116
Rollie Fingers                944         1701.1       114       118           341        2.90     1299              492         1.156     119
Goose Gossage             1002       1809.1       124       107           310        3.01     1502              732         1.232     126
Rob Nenn                      643         715.0         45         42            314        2.98     793                260         1.213     138
Troy Percival                  703         708.2         35         43            358        3.17     781                306         1.108     146
Bruce Sutter                   661         1042.1       68         71            300        2.83     861                309         1.140     136
Billy Wagner                  765          818.0        39         37            385        2.40     1066               270         1.009    180
Lee Smith                      1022       1289.1       71         92            478        3.03      1251              486         1.256     131
Trevor Hoffman              944         1002.0       56         66            566        2.74      1066              274         1.040     147
John Franco                   1119        1245.2       90         87            424        2.89      975                495         1.333     137
Dan Quisenberry            674          1043.1       56         46           244        2.76      379                163         1.175     146
Hoyt Wilhelm                 1070        2254.1       143       122          227        2.52      1610              778          1.126    146
Roy Face                       848          1375.0       104       95            193        3.48      877                362         1.243     109
Sparky Lyle                   899          1390.1        99        76            238        2.88      873                481         1.275     127
Kent Tekulve                 1050        1436.1        94        90            184        2.85      779                491         1.250     132
Jeff Reardon                 880          1132.1        73         77            367        3.16      877               358         1.199     121
Tom Henke                   642          789.2          41        42            311        2.67      861               255          1.092     136
Lindy McDaniel              987          2139.1        141      119           172         3.45      1361             623          1.272     109
John Wetteland             618          765.0          48        45            330         2.93      804               252         1.135     148
Jeff Montgomery           700           868.2         46        52            304         3.27      733               296         1.244     134
Rod Beck                      704           768.0         38        45            286         3.30      644               191         1.164     123
Doug Jones                  846           1128.1        69        79            303         3.30      909               247         1.243     129
Roberto Hernandez       1010         1071.1        67        71            326         3.45      945               462         1.367     131
Mike Marshall                723          1386.2        97        112          188          3.14     880                514         1.294     118
Armando Benitez           762          779            40         47            289         3.13     946                403         1.217     139
Rick Aguilera                 732          1291.1        86         81            318         3.57     1030              351         1.227     117
Randy Myers                 728           884.2         44         63            347         3.19     884                396         1.304     122

I know, once again I've created some tough decisions for all of you.  Consider it one of the few things I'm good at.  Laughing   Have fun everyone!
Category: MLB
Comments

Since: Jan 27, 2009
Posted on: June 18, 2009 2:20 pm
 

Vote for the 3 Greatest RELIEF Pitchers Ever

For me, paring it down to four was fairly easy because, in my mind, Goose Gossage, Bruce Sutter, Dennis Eckersley and Mariano Rivera, are comfortably ahead of the rest.  Picking three, however, is very difficult.  I'm leaving Gossage on the outside, looking in.  Not sure why.  I suppose because every now and then, a good fastball hitter will be able to hit the Goose, while the other 3 guys are virtually unhittable.

One thing.  Someone talked about Eckersley having the greatest or most dominant season of any reliever.  I don't have any stats to support this, but I'm going to say that one year Eric Gagne had with the Dodgers was better.  Of course, he was juiced that year.  Excuse me, allegedly juiced.



Since: Aug 26, 2008
Posted on: June 5, 2009 10:05 pm
 

Vote for the 3 Greatest RELIEF Pitchers Ever

Thanks for doing a greta job on this Lazer.

I voted for Gibson and Ryan. Both played during my lifetime and are yardsticks that others should be measured by.

Mariano Rivera's numbers are impressive, but he only pitches at most an inning and only comes in with the lead. He's also benefited from some real good Yankee teams.
Dan Quisenberry and Kent Tekulve were very good because they were submariners and could paint the corners.
Wagner , Smith and Gossage could throw heat and were very intimidating. Lee Smith would probably be my alternate.

I'm going to reach back into time and vote for 3 of the originals:

Bruce Sutter
Rollie Fingers
Mike Marshall



Since: May 10, 2009
Posted on: June 5, 2009 11:23 am
 

Vote for the 3 Greatest RELIEF Pitchers Ever

1.) Mariano Rivera- probably the most feared relief pitcher ever, and everytime he would come in in the 9th with the lead it was almost guaranteed win for the Yanks

2.) Trevor Hoffman- the all-time leader in saves i think has to be on this list. even though saves werent as frequent in the older days but if you look at Hoffmans numbers they are just as good as anyones up there
 
3.) Im putting someone in this spot who isnt on this list and that is Francisco  Rodriguez aka "K-Rod". Last year K-Rod had one of the greatest relief pitching season of all-time and look at some of the things he has done already in his short career, holds MLB record for most saves in a season (2008), Youngest pitcher to reach 50 saves in a season (2008), Youngest pitcher to reach 100 career saves (2006), youngest pitcher to reach 200 career saves(2008), and a 3 times AL saves champion. Those would be good acheivments for any relief pitcher and he is still only 27 and will continue to put up monster numbers




Since: Apr 29, 2007
Posted on: June 4, 2009 9:13 pm
 

Vote for the 3 Greatest RELIEF Pitchers Ever

In no particular order.  It would have been easier to pick 10 of them.  On another day, I might have picked 3 different ones.

Mariano Rivera - he was the man before he got hurt

Dennis Eckersley - a great starter and an even better reliever

Dan Quisenberry - my sentimental favorite...he shut them down for the Royals in their heyday




Since: Mar 18, 2007
Posted on: June 2, 2009 8:07 pm
 

Vote for the 3 Greatest RELIEF Pitchers Ever

Mariano Rivera, Dennis Eckersley and Hoyt Wilhelm.



Since: Sep 30, 2007
Posted on: June 2, 2009 6:20 pm
 

Vote for the 3 Greatest RELIEF Pitchers Ever

M. Rivera.......the numbers

T. Hoffman.........the numbers

Hoyt Wilhelm..........best of his generation.....great ERA


   Yep, the " mad Hungarian " was the most fun to watch........in the era of lots of hair!



Since: Mar 29, 2008
Posted on: June 2, 2009 5:32 pm
 

Vote for the 3 Greatest RELIEF Pitchers Ever

Bruce Sutter--off the table pitch was wow.

Dennis Eckersley

Goose Gossage--Just the intimidation factor

One honorable mention vote for Al Hrabosky.  Got a chance at a young age to see him pitch against the Twins in old Metropolitan Stadium.  A real treat since the Twins won too.  Bombo Riveria with an RBI single in the 10th off of the Mad Hungarian.



Since: Mar 23, 2009
Posted on: June 2, 2009 11:22 am
 

Vote for the 3 Greatest RELIEF Pitchers Ever


1) Mariano Rivera

2) Dennis Eckersley

3) Trevor Hoffman



Since: Oct 10, 2006
Posted on: June 2, 2009 8:52 am
 

Vote for the 3 Greatest RELIEF Pitchers Ever

Career Adjusted ERA + Leaders

Mariano Rivera 199
Pedro Martinez 154
Lefty Groove 148


Career Saves Leaders


Trevor Hoffman 567
Mariano Rivera 492
Lee Smith 478

Postseason Saves For The Same 3

Trevor Hoffman 4
Mariano Rivera 34
Lee Smith 1

Career K/BB Ratio Amongst Cloers

Mariano Rivera  3.9184
Trevor Hoffman 3.8873
Dennis Eckersley 3.2534

K/9 Amongst Closers

Trevor Hoffman 9.59
Lee Smith 8.73
Mariano Rivera 8.27

Career WHIP Amongst Closers


Mariano Rivera 1.0207
Trevor Hoffman 1.0399
Bruce Sutter 1.1398


I won't delve too deep into post season comparrisons because that just not fair to the other closers, but I'll give synopsis of Mo.


Career Postseason

Games: 76
Wins: 8
Saves: 34
Games Finished: 56
innings Pitched: 117.1
Hits: 72
Earned Runs: 10
Walks: 16
ERA: 0.77
WHIP: 0.75

From the 1997 ALDS when Mo blew a save against Cleveland and the Yankees lost until to 2001 when Luis Gonzalez hit the single heard round the world in game 7 of the WS, Mo gave up 5 earned runs in the playoffs. That's all of the playoffs. 1998, 1999, 2000, and the 2001 playoffs up to game 7.

5 runs.

I have to vote for Mo here.







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Since: Dec 13, 2008
Posted on: June 2, 2009 6:11 am
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