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Vote for the Greatest Manager of All-Time

Posted on: June 23, 2009 4:57 pm
 

Welcome back everyone for the final vote for the All-Time greatest team.    We have certainly put together an awesome team and now we'll pick the best skipper for team.  

Before we get to the manager, I'll announce the players chosen as the reserve outfielders.   Hank Aaron became the first player on my team to be voted unanimously to his spot on the roster as he received all 21 votes cast for reserve right fielder.  Ty Cobb edged out Mickey Mantle for the centerfield spot 12 votes to 7 with Tris Speaker receiving the other 2 votes.  Stan Musual won a more competitive vote for left field with 10 votes.   Ed Delahanty received 5 votes with Rickey Henderson and Barry Bonds each claiming 3 votes. 

You were all spot on with the Aaron selection.  The other options all pale in comparison of the achievements of one Henry Aaron.  IMO if anyone else were to have gotten a vote here, it should have been Frank Robinson.  I'm fine with Ty Cobb in centerfield, but not having Mickey Mantle on the team leaves Pete Rose and Ozzie as the only switch hitters on the team.  I probably would have voted for Cobb too, but looking at the team, a switch hitter with speed would have added an extra dimension.  I do have to disagree with the selection of Musual in left.  We're looking for a back-up to Ted Williams here and to me, Musual is Ted Williams Lite with a better glove.  I'd be looking for a right handed hitting alternative coming off the bench for Williams who would be an all around better defensive alternative.  I'd have to go with Ed Delahanty here.  Don't let his 162 game average of 9 home runs fool you.  He played in the height of the dead ball era where 9 home runs put you among the league leaders.  His average of 129 RBI and 141 runs scored were well above the rest of the field here as well as his fielding percentage +/- differential.   His speed and range weren't too shabby either.  He also played some infield as well which gives him the versatility of a Pete Rose. 

Now to the managers.  I've compiled a list of what I consider to be the 21 greatest skippers in the history of the game.  15 of them are already in the Hall of Fame as managers.  6 are either current managers or managers who I feel will one day get elected to the HOF.  There's about 5 managers who nearly made my list, but I had to make the cut-off somewhere.   My apologies go out to Lou Pineilla, Mike Scoscia, Dick Howser, Jim Leyland and Davy Johnson.   I also made my list and neglected winning percentage.   I'm sorry about that but I did list their win/loss record.   Do the math if you want to.   I'll do a blog entry in one week to annouce the winning manager with the complete roster of the All-Time team.   Here's the list....

Walter Alston.   Bkln/LAN 1954-76.  Won 2040 Lost 1613.  7 Pennants, 4 WS titles.

Sparky Anderson.   CinN 1970-78, DetAL 79-95.  Won 2194 Lost 1834.  5 Pennants, 3 WS titles.

Leo Durocher.    Bkln/NL 1939-46, 48, NYG NL 48-55, ChC NL 66-72, Hou NL 72-73.  2008 Wins 1709 Losses.  3 Pennants, 1 WS title.

Ned Hanlon.   BalNL 1889-1907, Also CinNL, Bkln NL, Pit NL.  Won 1313 Lost 1164.  5 Pennants.

Bucky Harris.   Wash AL 1924-28, 35-42, 50-54, Det AL 29-33, Bos AL 1934, Phi NL 43, NYY AL 47-48.  Won 2157 Lost 2218.  3 Pennants, 2 WS titles. 

Miller Huggins.  StL NL 1913-17, NYY AL 18-29.  Won 1413 Lost 1134.  6 Pennants, 3 WS titles.

Tommy Lasorda.   LAD NL 1976-96.  Won 1599 Lost 1439.  4 Pennants, 2 WS titles.

Al Lopez.   Cle AL 1951-56, CWS AL 57-65, 68-69,  Won 1410, Lost 1004.  2 Pennants. 

Connie Mack.   PIT NL 1894-96, Phi AL 1901-50.  3731-3948.  9 Pennants, 5 WS titles.

Joe McCarthy.   ChC NL 1926-30, NYY AL 31-46, Bos AL 48-50.  Won 2125 Lost 1333.  9 Pennants, 7 WS titles.

John McGraw.   Bal NL 1899-1902, NYG NL 02-32.  Won 2763 Lost 1948.  11 Pennants, 3 WS titles.

Bill McKechnie.  New FL 1915, Pit NL 22-26, StL NL 28-29, Bos NL 30-37, Cin NL 38-46.  Won 1896 Lost 1723.  4 Pennants, 2 WS titles.

Frank Selee.   Bos NL 1890-1901, ChC NL 02-05.   Won 1284 Lost 862.  5 Pennants. 

Casey Stengel.   Bkln NL 1934-36, Bos NL 38-43, NYY AL 49-60, NYM NL 62-65.  Won 1905 Lost 1842.  10 Pennants, 7 WS titles.

Earl Weaver.   Bal AL 1968-82, 85-86.  Won 1480 Lost 1060.  4 Pennants, 1 WS title.

Whitey Herzog.   Tex AL 1973, Cal 1974, KCR AL 75-79, StL NL 80-90.  Won 1281 Lost 1125.  3 Pennants.  1 WS title.

Bobby Cox.   Atl NL 1978-81, 90-present, TOR AL 82-85.  Won 2359 Lost 1888.  5 Pennants, 1 WS title.

Joe Torre.   NYM NL 1977-81, Atl NL 82-84. StL NL 90-95, NYY AL 96-2007, LAD NL 08-present.  Won 2196 Lost 1873.  6 Pennants, 4 WS titles.

Tony LaRussa.   CWS AL 1979-86, Oak AL 86-95, StL NL 96-present.  Won 2500 Lost 2178.  5 Pennants, 2 WS titles.

Dick Williams.   Bos AL 1967-69, Oak AL 71-73, Cal AL 74-76, Mont NL 77-81, SDP NL 82-85, SEA AL 86-88.  Won 1571 Lost 1451.  4 Pennants, 2 WS titles.

Billy Martin.   MIN AL 1969, Det AL 71-73, Tex AL 73-75, NYY AL 75-79, 83, 85, 88, Oak AL 80-82.  Won 1253 Lost 1013.  3 Pennants, 2 WS titles.  

As a footnote, I just want to remind everyone that the first World Series was played in 1903, so managers before 1903 could not earn a WS title.   Just a reminder when you judge them.    

Enjoy the blog and the vote.  You should find this as difficult to choose as any of the players!   

 

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Comments

Since: Feb 3, 2008
Posted on: February 13, 2011 8:01 am
 

Vote for the Greatest Manager of All-Time

In your first blog you mentioned Joe McCarthy as one of the Greatest Managers of All-Time with 9 Pennants and 7 World Championships. You failed to mention it took him 16 years as a Yankeey Manager to win 8 Pennants and 7 World Championships. It also took him another 3 years to lead the Chicago Cubs to a Pennant only  to loose to the Philadelphia Athletics.

Casey Stengel on the other hand, Managed the Yankeeys for just 12 years and won 10 Pennants and 7 World Championships. Casey Stengel is far more the better of the two as a Manager and Leader with more pennants, and even in World Championships, but achieved this accomplishment in far less time then Joe McCarthy did. Casey Stengel is the Greatest Manager of the two.



Since: Sep 4, 2007
Posted on: June 30, 2009 2:55 pm
 

Vote for the Greatest Manager of All-Time

This is a hard pick but I will go with Connie Mack due to how long he was in the game.



Since: Sep 4, 2008
Posted on: June 29, 2009 5:10 pm
 

Vote for the Greatest Manager of All-Time

I have to vote with my heart instead of my head on this one , Earl Weaver is my pick . He won 100+ games five times in his 17 year career with a .583 winning pct. , not bad ! He was called the EARL of Baltimore . His arguments with umpires are classic , checkout U Tube to see what i mean , you`ll love it !



Since: Mar 23, 2009
Posted on: June 28, 2009 10:01 am
 

Vote for the Greatest Manager of All-Time


Joe McCarthy

Will we be voting on the prettiest ball girls next?



Since: Sep 2, 2006
Posted on: June 28, 2009 4:04 am
 

Vote for the Greatest Manager of All-Time

Didn't notice when you are going to take this down Lazer, but it must be coming soon.  Too bad more people didn't get in on this, especially this last one.  Just read the comments others had about top manager of all time.  If I am reading this right (and it is nearly 4 AM, so cut me some slack if I am missing a couple, OK?), all of the vote getters far were in my top 10.  I am seeing 6 different guys getting votes, including all of my top 5.  Connie Mack is the only one that I didn't have in my top 5 that has received votes.  Personally, I held against him the fact that after the early 30's, his teams were not competitive for the most part.  I know some of the reasons for that, but I kept him out of the top 5 for that reason.

Looks like Joe Mc will get the nod, depending on what others vote and when you do the final tally.  One thing I didn't give him credit for is that he did have some success with the Cubs before hooking up with the Yanks.  Would that have changed my mind?  Hmm, don't know, but I would be happy to have him coach this team, so I am definitely not feeling bad about getting him as manager, should it stay that way.

One final question.  Just who are we going to get this team to play against??  It would be like the Globetrotters against Washington - no chance anyone wins against this team!



Since: Sep 2, 2006
Posted on: June 28, 2009 3:42 am
 

Vote for the Greatest Manager of All-Time

Yeah, this was hard.  Easily as hard as some of the more difficult player positions.  I am being careful to do this w/o looking at others comments, so I can say that I am not influenced by others.  I will check them out after I cast this ballot.

I started with eliminating 11 names because I didn't think they were worth considering seriously, or in the case of about 2-3 of them, I really didn't know enough about them to really judge them.

Now I have 10 names.  You can't just go by how many pennants/WS titles they have, if you do that, you have to go with Joe Mc or Casey automatically.  But I do feel that (since all my final 10 were in the WS era) winning more than one WS should be expected.  I am also impressed with managers who can win WS with more than one team, but how can you hold something against a John McGraw who stayed with one team for most of his career (or McCarthy/Stengel who won so much with one team)?  I also looked at winning percentage, but those numbers can be skewed by managing a team that sucks like Stengel had to do with the early Mets; his being there was merely a drawing card, not because of any managing ability he had.  Connie Mack had extensive $ issues and after the early 30's, was never able to field a truly contending team.

Then, how did a manager deal with change?  Miller Huggins led the Yanks during the biggest change in the history of baseball; the introduction of the long ball and was able to adapt and succeed.  Then, of course, you have to look at the talent they had to manage.  Who wouldn't have won with the likes of Gehrig/Ruth/Lazzeri/DiMaggio/Dickey

/Berra/Mantle/Ford, etc. in a lineup??  But if mgmt. could get players that good, surely they were going to get a manager to work them together.

Looking at all that, I now got it down to 5; Sparky, Joe McCarthy, John McGraw, Casey and Tony LaRussa.  Now it gets tough.  I'd have been happy with any of my final 10, I had, but these 5 are the best to me all-time.  You really can't go wrong with any of them.  But you say I have to pick one, so let's go.

First, I am going to drop Casey.  I don't know, he had all that talent to work with and I am not sure how much he had to do with them winning.  If I was going to take a Yankee, I'd go with McCarthy, so now I am down to 4.  Despite having the best +/- in wins/losses of my final 5, I am going to drop John McGraw.  He didn't adept to change as well as the others - IMHO.  Down to 3.  The issue of having a lot of talent to work with now becomes a bigger issue with me, so I drop McCarthy.  Those NY teams had $ and he had so much to work with.  I know he was good, I'd say he was great.  But I want the best manager overall, and I am not sure he is the best.  Down to 2.

Sparky or Tony.

I will go with SPARKY ANDERSON.  I love what he did, winning WS with two different teams (Tony did also, I know), but Sparky did more with what he had and putting teams together without having all that $.  He also redefined the role of pitching in the realm of what relievers do.  You want to know how baseball evolved into relievers doing so much now?  Look at Sparky.  He was one of the first to really use relievers the way they are now.  He also put some serious talent on the field and knew how to wield it all together.  He was a strategist and knew his X's and O's.

SPARKY ANDERSON for manager of the all-time team.  Now let's see what others had to say.



Since: Feb 24, 2008
Posted on: June 27, 2009 6:17 pm
 

Vote for the Greatest Manager of All-Time

My vote is for...Ozzie Guillen!

No just kidding. As much as I hate the Yankees, I have to vote for Casey Stengel. He had them there just about every year.



Since: Jun 24, 2009
Posted on: June 27, 2009 5:58 pm
 

Vote for the Greatest Manager of All-Time

Re:  11 2000-win managers in the blog, but only 8 in the poll. 
JMW, thanks for the explanation, and Jess, no offense taken.
DVC



Since: May 1, 2007
Posted on: June 27, 2009 9:39 am
 

Vote for the Greatest Manager of All-Time

John McGraw- The Giants could only retire his name, since he never wore a number.



Since: May 4, 2009
Posted on: June 27, 2009 12:23 am
 

Vote for the Greatest Manager of All-Time

You should find this as difficult to choose as any of the players This was actually harder for me than voting for the players.  There are so many names on the list from my father's and grandfather's time and I am not as familiar with the managers as with the stories of the players.  So unlike the choices I made for the positions, I couldn't use experience or what I heard from guys like my brother aand his friends.  On the other hand, this choice had to be less estrogen-driven and more purely analytical.  So to be fair, I looked at win-loss ratios, numbers of pennants plus numbers of series championships and leveled it by number of years as a manager.  I tried to add in things like impact from player hirings and team reputations as well.  My emotions wanted me to pick Sparky Anderson because I really loved his Big Red Machine, but the engineer in me wins out, and the numbers go to Joe McCarthy .  He also gets big points for handling the hard demise of Lou Gehrig in a respectable manner, for bringing Joe DiMaggio on board to keep the traditions of Ruth and Gehrig in pinstripes, and leaving the Yankees the gift of Yogi Berra before he left.  Casey Stengal was pretty close, but his days on the start-up Mets pulled his numbers down.  I know it wasn't his fault; but he knew it was a losing job when he took it, I guess.



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