Category:NCAAB
Posted on: March 8, 2010 10:03 pm
 

The People's Poll Attack - Week 17

(The Week 17 People's Poll can be found here)

The People's Poll is meant to provide a voice to the average college basketball fan, free from media and homer bias. Sometimes, the people need to be reminded of this. The result: The People's Poll Attack.

Poll of the Week:

The 2009-2010 NCAA regular season has come to an end, and not a minute too soon if you a North Carolina Tar Heel fan like me. Sadly, this year's People's Poll went out with a pathetic whimper reminiscent of the Tar Heels performance at Cameron this weekend. Only 31 polls made the cut this week... lucky for me, there was enough to have some things to talk about this week.

I'm going to break from tradition this week. All in all, people put together pretty solid polls this week, so as a result, there's only small snippets of certain polls I can discuss.

I'll start with Duckbill30. It appears he has a bias against the Big 10. How else can you explain both Michigan State and Wisconsin not showing up in his poll? There were two "blatant omissions" this week, and both of them are courtesy of Duckbill30. Though perhaps there is a perfectly good reason why he chose to rank Northern Iowa, Louisville and Cornell instead of the Spartans and Badgers.

Next up is KVSkubball. We've butted heads a couple times this year, as his polling formula was producing interesting results early in the year. Truth is, I give him a lot of credit - of late he'd been producing pretty good polls. This week's stood out a bit. Temple at 24 is what first peaked my interest. This is a team with an RPI of 15 and a record of 6-3 against the Top 50, including wins against 4 likely tournament teams (Nova, Xavier, Siena and Virginia Tech). What's even more interesting, is that in this same poll, he ranked Texas A&M, Maryland, BYU, Wake Forest and Clemson ahead of the Owls. Actually, the fact that Wake and Clemson are ranked right now is peculiar enough.

Wachoosay is up next. First up, I understand that Purdue is not the same team they were with Robbie Hummel. However, their resume is impressive. Plain and simple, they are a Top 10 team. Wachoosay has them at 11, which is not unreasonable. Until you see that Maryland is at #9. Quick comparison - Purdue is 26-4, Maryland is 22-7; Purdue has an RPI of 11, Maryland 19; Purdue has an SOS of 50, Maryland 20; Purdue is 4-2 against the Top 25, Maryland 1-3. Suffice to say, when you compare resume's, Purdue should be ahead. Finally, he also ranked Utah State at 17 and Notre Dame at 21. High slotting for unranked teams.

Blatant Omissions:

I've already mentioned them above. Pretty good week overall.

I'd like to close by announcing that unfortunately I won't be able to continue this Poll Attacks next season. My work schedule has continued to become more and more hectic, and I feel that in a couple weeks this year it has forced me to sacrifice the quality of the Poll Attacks. I still plan to participate as a reg in the People's Poll next year, however, I need to take a step back. If you're interested in taking up this job, get in touch with Jawhk.

Thanks to everyone for another great year of People's Polls! Best of luck to you in your NCAA pools.

Canuck
Posted on: March 1, 2010 10:13 pm
 

The People's Poll Attack - Week 16

(The Week 16 People's Poll can be found here)

The People's Poll is meant to provide a voice to the average college basketball fan, free from media and homer bias. Sometimes, the people need to be reminded of this. The result: The People's Poll Attack.

Poll of the Week:

We had a first time entry this week. Unfortunately, it was an awful poll. Congrats to thegirlonball for submitting by far the worst poll I have seen in a couple of weeks.

Where to start? How about Tennessee ranked at 4th. Sure, they beat Kentucky this week and have also beaten Kansas, but a team with 7 losses, including two to Vanderbilt, one this week to Florida and two bad losses to USC and Georgia. Yes they've beaten some great teams (almost beat Purdue too), but a team as inconsistent and with as many losses as the Vols have barely any argument to be ranked in the Top 10 right now, much less the Top 5.

Next up - Gonzaga at 6. They have one solid win (Wisconsin), and a number of good wins (2 over St. Mary's, 1 over Cincinnati when they were respectable in November, 1 over Memphis, 1 over Illinois). There's a reason why Gonzaga has been ranked in the Top 25 for most of the year. There's also a reason why they've never seen the Top 10 - a horrendous loss to Duke, losses to Wake Forest and Michigan State, and two embarassing losses to Loyola-Marymount and San Francisco. In other words, this team is not even worthy of a Top 15 ranking right now. And when you realize that girlonball has KSU, Ohio State, Purdue, West Virginia, Villanova, and Michigan State all ranked below the Zags... well, yikes.

Quick run through of some of the other rankings for those who haven't reviewed this poll yet
- KSU at 11
- Wisconsin unranked
- Georgetown at 9
- Texas at 13
- UNLV at 15
- California (really, Cal ranked?) at 17
- Butler at 23
- Temple at 24

Yikes. I suggest that if you wish to post a poll again thegirlonball, you do a tad more research. It's almost like that poll was a joke.

One other topic I want to address this week. I'm fine with either Syracuse or Kansas as #1. Personally I went with Kansas, but I concede it is a complete toss-up and can easily be reasoned either way. What I cannot accept is KSU ranked #1, or even how KSU and Duke were ranked ahead of Kansas in anyone's poll. Kansas has two losses, Duke has 4. Kansas is 6-1 against the Top 25 RPI, while Duke is 1-2 (i.e. Duke should be eliminated from this debate very early). KSU has 4 losses and a record of 4-1 against the Top 25 - advantage Kansas so far. Kansas' worst loss is a road loss to Oklahoma State (RPI of 26), while KSU has two losses worse than that (Missouri and Mississippi) and a home loss to Oklahoma State. Oh yeah, and Kansas beat KSU at KSU. I get that KSU won both their games this week, while Kansas lost one, but you cannot base your rankings on a single week! Leave the KSU vs. Kansas debate until after we see how this week's game pans out.

Blatant Omission:

Those guilty of blatant omissions have left a consensus top 15 team out of their Top 25, with the consensus being the AP, Coaches, GP and People's polls. While everyone's entitled to their opinion, these people are pushing it:

None by definition - though not ranking Vanderbilt, Temple or Wisconsin was pushing it.

Until next week!
Posted on: February 22, 2010 10:46 pm
 

The People's Poll Attack - Week 15

(The Week 15 People's Poll can be found here)

The People's Poll is meant to provide a voice to the average college basketball fan, free from media and homer bias. Sometimes, the people need to be reminded of this. The result: The People's Poll Attack.

Poll of the Week

I guess people felt sorry for me, as this week there were a couple solid entries for poll of the week. In fact, they were so good, we've got two! Congrats to wachoosay and THE MAN.

We'll start with wachoosay. I'm not even going to start on having Butler ranked at #8, I went over this briefly last week, and Gary Parrish covered the topic in his own Poll Attacks. So I'll begin with Georgetown. Sure they lost to Syracuse this week, but Syracuse is a consensus Top 5 team, it was a 4 point loss, and they made a big comeback in the 2nd half - in other words, it's not a bad loss. It's a loss a team in the 10-15 range should by definition expect to have. Also, another shot against them is their 5-5 record in the last 10 games. Look into the details though, and they played Villanova twice, Syracuse twice, Duke and Pitt. By my count that's 5 games against the Top 10 and one against a Top 15 team. That's a rough stretch of games. Going 5-5 doesn't mean they're a bad team, it's means they're not a Top 10 team. But wachoo decided not to rank Georgetown anyway, so apparently he thought teams such as Butler, BYU, Temple, UTEP, Richmond, Gonzaga, Texas A&M, Utah State, and Northern Iowa could all do better, as each of those teams are currently ranked higher. That logic doesn't work for me.

To keep this short, I'll run down the other questionable decisions of his poll - UTEP at 15 and Utah State at 19. If anyone wants me to provide reasoning behind these mentions, let me know and I'll do so in the comments.

Next up: THE MAN. Butler at #8 is still ridiculous, even if it happens twice in the same week. Having Richmond and UTEP ranked is fine, but at 15 and 16 is unreasonable for teams that have an RPI and SOS of 26/80 and 51/124. Combine these rankings with slotting Pittsburgh at 19th, and the logic just isn't shining through for me, or anyone else in the poll as nobody had these teams ranked higher than 19th (you know, aside from wachoosay). Finally, I get that Maryland is second in the ACC, but look to their ACC schedule so far - it's been a breeze. Yes they beat Georgia Tech this weekend, but that was on a last second desperation three at home - not exactly a great win. Combine that with losses to Duke, Wake Forest and Clemson (aka the only top 5 ACC teams they've played), and their current record is due in large part to an easier schedule.

Note: I realize that THE MAN was not the only person to rank Maryland, but I mentioned it for him only because it adds to the questionable nature of the poll overall.

Moving on to some special shout-outs:
- Anyone who has Butler above, say, 15 or so. I will give everyone one final week to reconsider their ranking of a team like Butler, and take into account the idea of a ceiling. Yes they keep winning, but it's against crap.
- livin_the_dream, kkjumper, hoosierguy1019, Duckbill30, Jermtheworm33, Chicago107, ski-u-muh1 and whatruss for all ranking Tennessee ahead of Vanderbilt. Vandy has an RPI of 13 and SOS of 15, compared to 15 and 23 respectively, they have a 7-3 record in the last 10 games, compared to 6-4, and Vandy has beat Tennessee twice in the last month. Ranking Tennessee ahead of Vanderbilt does not make sense to me
- bksballer89, Badgers Ballers and crazylegs0721 for ranking Wake Forest ahead of Va Tech. Combine Wake's loss to Va Tech this week, and their embarassing loss to NC State, and I don't know how this can be justified

Blatant Omissions:

Those guilty of blatant omissions have left a consensus top 15 team out of their Top 25, with the consensus being the AP, Coaches, GP and People's polls. While everyone's entitled to their opinion, these people are pushing it:

- wachoosay --> Georgetown
- gezemice --> Michigan State

Until next time!
Posted on: February 15, 2010 4:51 pm
Edited on: February 15, 2010 4:53 pm
 

The People's Poll Attack - Week 14

(The Week 14 People's Poll can be found here)

The People's Poll is meant to provide a voice to the average college basketball fan, free from media and homer bias. Sometimes, the people need to be reminded of this. The result: The People's Poll Attack.

Poll of the Week

It was a tough one this week, as we're getting a lot of conformity in the polls now that we've got only about a month until Selection Sunday. So while I've singled someone out, this may be the weakest "Poll of the Week" yet.

The winner this week has been here before... wachoosay.

UTEP is currently leading Conference USA with a 10-1 record. However, this doesn't quite mean as much this year with Memphis in a full blown rebuilding year. They have an RPI of 56, but a SOS of 131. They also have only 1 win over a possible NCAA team (UAB), and a 10 point loss to a bad Houston team. Overall, I can understand how a case can be made for them to be ranked, but 18th seems too high. Especially ahead of teams such as Vanderbilt, BYU, Wake Forest and Temple.

Ranking Utah State is also a stretch in my opinion, as the WAC is a one-bid league (i.e. leading the league isn't that special), they've beat only 1 likely tourney team (BYU) and have losses to Utah and Long Beach State.

Like I said above, weak attack.

Special shout-outs to:
- Pels, wachoosay, and THE MAN... their rankings of Butler seem a tad high at 11, 11 and 8 respectively. Yes they've strung together a number of wins, but its against weak competition. I can't help but think back to their struggles earlier against tougher competition and how they are 2-3 against the Top 50. Top 15 seems to high for this team in my eyes. I feel that 18-20 is highest I can go with this team.

Blatant Omissions

Those guilty of blatant omissions have left a consensus top 15 team out of their poll, with the consensus being the AP, Coaches, GP and People's polls. While everyone's entitled to their opinion, these people are pushing it:

- reamo --> New Mexico
- Badgers Ballers --> West Virginia
- theriverrock --> Wisconsin (yes the Coaches' Poll has them at 16, but they also had Duke ahead of Georgetown last week... close enough)
- Duckbill30 --> Gonzaga

Until next time!
Posted on: February 8, 2010 9:32 pm
Edited on: February 9, 2010 8:25 am
 

The People's Poll Attack - Week 13

(The Week 13 People's Poll can be found here)

The People's Poll is meant to provide a voice to the average college basketball fan, free from media and homer bias. Sometimes, the people need to be reminded of this. The result: The People's Poll Attack


Poll of the Week

Before I announce the winner(s), let's do a quick comparison of two teams:

Team one is 19-4, with an RPI of 3 and an SOS of 4. They are 3-3 against the Top 25, and 10-3 against the Top 100. They've done well to not lose at home, but have lost on the road by 14 points to a team with an RPI of 109 and a home loss to my pathetic Tar Heels.

Team two is 17-5, with an RPI of 8 and an SOS of 1. They are 5-2 against the Top 25, and 10-5 against the Top 100. They did lose a home game this week, which some people are calling brutal despite South Florida having an RPI of 50 (i.e. it's not as bad as everyone is trying to make it out to be).

So in summary, team one has two more wins, 1 fewer loss, and a better RPI. Team two has a better SOS, a better record against the Top 25 and a better "worst loss" (Marquette vs. NC State). Pretty even comparison eh? How could I ever decide which team to rank ahead of the other.... OH YEAH, team two beat the living piss out of team one 8 freaking days ago!!!

I guess by now most of you have realized that I'm comparing Duke and Georgetown. And I guess you've likely figured out my big beef with this week's poll - people ranking Duke ahead of Georgetown. I get that the Hoyas lost to South Florida this week, which is not what a Top 10 team should do, but they also beat Villanova (aka the previously 2nd ranked team in the country)! And like I mentioned, Georgetown's win over Duke was not a close, hard-fought game. The Hoyas were up by 23 points with four and a half minutes left in the game - that's a beatdown to the tenth degree!

Now on to the "winners" for the week. The following people blew it in their poll this week in my opinion:

- Pels, KVSkubball, jasonwells1982, Jermtheworm33, wachoosay, hoosierguy1019, Duckbill30, gezemice, bksballer89, s0merand0mdude, KUnflMLBnba+, ski-u-muh1, reamo37, Crazy_kitty, SpotTEmINd, WIzard

For those of you counting, that's 16 polls or 40%. At least these people can take some comfort that the Coaches blew it this week too.

Special shout-outs go to:

- Schildkrotte. I can see you're stubborn, well so am I. Cornell at 7 is still ludicrous. I get that they went 2-0 this week, but that was over Yale and Brown who have a combined RPI of 10,000 (or something in that neighbourhood). I'm sorry, but there's a cap as to how high a team with an RPI of 49, SOS of 174 and top win against a team with an RPI of 90 can go, and it is nowhere near the Top 10. Try maybe 20-25.
- SpotTEmINd for not ranking New Mexico or UNLV, but yet ranking BYU. Which makes no sense, since BYU lost to both teams in the last two weeks

Blatant Omissions:

Those guilty of blatant omissions have left a consensus top 15 team out of their poll, with the consensus being the AP, Coaches, GP and People's polls. While everyone's entitled to their opinion, these people are pushing it:

- Badgers Ballers --> Texas

Until next time!
Posted on: February 1, 2010 10:00 pm
Edited on: February 2, 2010 12:40 pm
 

The People's Poll Attack - Week 12

(The Week 12 People's Poll can be found here.)

The People's Poll is meant to provide a voice to the average college basketball fan, free from media and homer bias. Sometimes, the people need to be reminded of this. The result: The People's Poll Attack!


Poll of the Week

We've got a new first this week - there's no one poll that stands out significantly more than the others! However, there are two that stand out more than the others. Congrats to the first joint winners: KVSkubball and Schildkrotte.

What could possibly lead to a joint poll of the week? They've both got an absolutely ludicrous ranking within their poll.

First up is KV. In no possible scenario can I understand why Missouri is ranked at this point. They are 16-5, with a blowout loss to Kansas and meager 2-2 record in their last 4 games, which included a loss to Oklahoma. An RPI of 32 is alright, but a loss to Oral Roberts is awful. Despite all of this, and them not being ranked in any poll, KV ranked them at 15, which is ahead of Vandy, who beat them head to head

Next up is Schildkrotte, and I think this is likely the winner if I absolutely have to pick betwen the two. Sure Cornell is having a great season. An 18-3 record is impressive, and two of their losses were to Syracuse and Kansas (i.e. good losses). Based on their body of work, I have no opposition to ranking them this week. But at 6? Schildkrotte... are you serious? They have no good wins (Top 50) and an SOS of 133... and you had them unranked last week! I just don't understand this...

Special shout-outs to:

    -  Anyone who contributed to having the poll rank BYU ahead of New Mexico, and Tennessee ahead of Vanderbilt. Pay attention people!
    -  DCOrange44 for ranking Duke all the way down at 21 - sure they got blown out by Georgetown, but that's taking it to far
    -  s0merand0mdude for ranking Georgetown 5 slots behind of Duke, where have you been?

Blatant Omissions:

Those guilty of blatant omissions have left a consensus top 15 team out of their poll, with the consensus being the AP, Coaches, GP and People's polls. While everyone's entitled to their opinion, these people are pushing it: N
ONE! Though hammer was pushing it by not ranking BYU.

Until next time!

Posted on: January 25, 2010 10:35 pm
 

The People's Poll Attack - Week 11

(The Week 11 People's Poll can be found here)

The People's Poll is meant to provide a voice to the average college basketball fan, free from media and homer bias. Sometimes, the people need to be reminded of this. The result: The People's Poll Attack!


Poll of the Week

Guess wachoosay didn't enjoy winning last week, so we have another newbie – KVSkubball (though admittedly, this is the best poll of the week yet)

I know KVS has a method to filling out his bracket. I can respect that. But if the BCS has taught us anything, not taking a close look at the output can lead to issues. So what exactly do I have issues with? They follow something like this:

  • Texas at 9 – Purdue, West Virginia, Duke and Michigan State all have more losses than Texas, and a loss at Kansas State is not that bad
  • Wake Forest at 14 – Yes, they deserve to be ranked, but ahead of Tennessee, Pittsburgh and Gonzaga? Not buying it
  • Baylor at 18 – They played Kansas close, but they were smoked by Colorado just 2 weeks ago
  • Missouri at 20 – Great win against Kansas State, but losses to 3 unranked opponents (Richmond, Oklahoma and Oral Roberts) over shadows that
  • Maryland ranked period – no wins against ranked teams, 5 losses and 1-5 against the Top 75

Special shoutouts to: 

  • Jermtheworm33 with Northern Iowa at 16 (bad loss to unranked team this week)
  • necko (yep, again) with Missippi State at 17 (1 good win, 1 bad loss, and 1 awful loss)
  • Jawhk (sorry bud) with Cornell at 18 (couple "good losses", but no good wins)
  • Badgers Ballers… how could you not rank Wisconsin… are they not your team?


Blatant Omissions:

Those guilty of blatant omissions have left a consensus top 15 team out of their poll, with the consensus being the AP, Coaches, GP and People's polls. While everyone's entitled to their opinion, these people are pushing it:

                User                                 Team Missing


           paul4cats                             West Virginia (though at least he already called himself on it)

           Duckbill30                            Tennessee

Geez you guys are getting better at this…

Until next time!

Posted on: January 18, 2010 9:32 pm
 

The People's Poll Attack - Week 10

(The Week 10 People's Poll can be found here)

The People's Poll is meant to provide a voice to the average college basketball fan, free from media and homer bias. Sometimes, the people need to be reminded of this. The result: The People's Poll Attack!

Oh I love this time of year. Playoff football, conference season, and… 24!  Jack Bauer is back baby! Haha, alright, on to business.

Poll of the Week

Uh-oh, we have a new winner… wachoosay!

And boy is this poll interesting. Let’s break it down…

Vanderbilt. They’re a pretty decent team, who has performed well overall against a pretty decent schedule. A win at St. Mary’s is impressive. Losses to three unranked teams isn’t so great, which is exactly what they have with losses to Cincinnati, Illinois, and Western Kentucky. Also, considering that they are 3-3 against the top 75, that hurts them a bit. Are they worthy of being ranked? Most definitely. Slotted in at 13… I don’t think so.

Especially when you consider that the poll has Wisconsin (wins over Duke and Purdue) at 22, Purdue (wins over West Virginia and Tennessee) at 23, and Georgetown (wins over Temple, Butler and Connecticut) at 24.

Oh yeah, Louisiana Tech is also ranked at 15. All but four of us have them unranked, which is surprising as it is shocking we overlooked a team that is 1-2 against the top 75 and has a strength of schedule of 248. Like I said, it was an interesting poll.

Special shout-out to my buddy nekco (c’mon, you didn’t think I’d forget him did you?) for ranking the UConn Huskies at 14 this week. Hey, that’s bad, but at least I finally convinced him to get Missouri State out of his rankings. I’ll take whatever small wins I can get.

Also to Rebelhoops914 – welcome to the poll! I’d strongly reconsider some of your slotting though. Baylor at 11… really?

Blatant Omissions:


Those guilty of blatant omissions have left a consensus top 15 team out of their poll, with the consensus being the AP, Coaches, GP and People's polls. While everyone's entitled to their opinion, these people are pushing it:

               
User                                 Team Missing

           hammerboyy                       Purdue

            sprawlnuts                         West Virginia

            sprawlnuts                          Purdue

            Rebelhoops914                  Purdue

For some closing comments, I’d like to say that pollsters in general deserve a pat on the back. This job is becoming harder and harder by the week. That’s for the best though, the harder this job becomes, the more rationale voters are when completing their polls. Keep up the good work everyone!

Until next time!

p.s. the Jack Bauer Kill Count stands at 3 for anyone unfortunate enough to not be watching.

 
 
 
 
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