Tag:Andy Dalton
Posted on: June 15, 2011 2:05 pm
 

Hot Routes 6.15.11: Pryor in the first round?!?



Posted by Josh Katzowitz

  • If former Ohio State QB Terrelle Pryor actually did go in the first round of the NFL supplemental draft, CBSSports.com’s own Rob Rang writes that agent Drew Rosenhaus would really have earned his money.
  • If you like to smoke while watching Bills games in person, you’re going to have to change your habits. The Bills have announced that smoking is banned at Ralph Wilson Stadium. Also, since there is no re-entry policy, you can’t leave to smoke and then return.
  • This was my favorite part of the AP story detailing the Bengals player-led workouts. They even clean up after themselves. Following a full-team practice last week at UC, quarterbacks Jordan Palmer and Andy Dalton filled their arms with water bottles and blocking pads and headed for the storage area. Palmer couldn't recall the last time he's had to put the equipment away. “It's been a while," he said.

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Posted on: June 10, 2011 8:28 pm
Edited on: June 10, 2011 9:02 pm
 

Lewis: Dalton could be Bengals' Week 1 starter



Posted by Ryan Wilson

It's all about perspective. In January, shortly after the Bengals put the finishing touches on another underwhelming season, pretty much everybody -- Marvin Lewis included -- figured the team would have a new head coach in the coming weeks.

Somehow, owner Mike Brown didn't fire Lewis -- and Lewis didn't quit -- which only makes sense in the Groundhog Day/bizarro/funhouse-mirror world of the Cincinnati Bengals. Although Lewis will be back for a ninth season, the team will look decidedly different in 2011.

Quarterback Carson Palmer has threatened to retire if the team doesn't trade him, and wide receiver/soccer hopeful/amateur bull rider Chad Ochocinco has likely caught his last pass in Bengal stripes. Which opens the door for second-round pick Andy Dalton and a bunch of young receivers, including first-rounder AJ Green.

Lewis, appearing on ESPN 101 in St. Louis, spoke on a variety of topics, including whether Dalton could be under center in Week 1.

“Well that’s something we are going to have to see what happens and how it plays out, but there’s no question when we selected Andy Dalton we selected him with that in mind -- that he’d possibly be our opening day starting quarterback,” said Lewis, according to SportsRadioInterviews.com.

Different strokes for different folks, we guess. The Panthers, Titans, Jaguars and Vikings all drafted quarterbacks in the first round (Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder, respectively), but none are expected to start.

Cincy backup Jordan Palmer, who referred to his brother as a "former teammate" earlier in the week, will have a chance to win the gig. But he won't have the luxury of knowing the playbook any better than Dalton; offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski was fired during the offseason and was replaced by Jay Gruden. Everybody's learning a new system.

When asked about Carson's decision to call it a career unless his trade demands are met, Lewis sounded like a man who had long since come to terms with losing the one-time face of the franchise. "Those decisions don’t come overnight," Lewis said. "Those are things that sit in your belly for a long time and they really have a tendency to bother you, so it’s a good decision that he made to move on with the rest of his life and we understand that and accept that. We’ve put things together to move forward, and we’re excited about it. It’s been a great offseason that way, and when we get an opportunity to start working with our players we’ll be fired up and ready to go.”

By most accounts, the organization did a swell job of using the April draft to re-stock the roster. Cincy landed their quarterback of the future in Dalton, the best college wideout in the country in Green, and both will join a young group of pass catchers who showed gobs of potential late last season. Whether it will be enough to improve on a 4-12 record is another matter entirely. But it's not like Lewis hasn't dealt with losing before; in his eight previous seasons, the Bengals finished above .500 just twice. This time, though, the task should be easier if for no other reason than Lewis won't be preoccupied with trying to keep Ochocinco happy.

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Posted on: June 8, 2011 8:00 pm
 

Jordan refers to Carson as 'former teammate'

Posted by Ryan Wilson

Perhaps it was a Freudian slip or wholly intentional. Either way, we chuckled at Jordan Palmer's comments Wednesday about his brother Carson, who had been the Bengals' starting quarterback the last seven years before proclaiming this offseason that things were so dysfunctional in Cincinnati that if he wasn't traded he would retire.

Meeting Wednesday with the local media for the first time this spring, Jordan was asked about Carson.

“The route I’m taking is I’m focused on the Bengals and myself. I’m getting myself prepared to be the guy and if I’m not I want to get this team as prepared as they can be. I’m separating myself from what Carson is doing. He’s my brother but he’s a former teammate going a different route and I’m focusing in what is front of me.”

Hear that, Carson? Former teammate. That shot across the bow came from your own flesh and blood. 

Actually, we're guessing that Jordan and Carson have discussed their NFL futures, and it's no secret among the Palmers or those with just a passing interest in football: Carson is serious when he says he'll retire if the Bengals don't trade him.

(That said, we were convinced that Carson quit midway through the 2010 season and was secretly replaced by Jordan, who was stuffed into a No. 9 jersey and assumed the starting role with predictably disastrous results. It would certainly explain Carson's steep fall-off from legit franchise quarterback to noodle-armed has-been.)
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Other than referring to Carson as a "former teammate," Jordan's comments were about what you would expect from a backup competing for a starting gig. Even in early June, during the middle of a lockout, Jordan is a long shot. The Bengals selected Andy Dalton in the second round of the 2011 draft and they sound like it will be his job to lose once the labor situation is settled. That possibility, however, hasn't changed Jordan's mindset.

“I definitely want to be the guy, I’m preparing to be the guy," Palmer said, according to Joe Reedy of the Cincinnati Enquirer. "I’ve also told him (Dalton) that if he’s the guy it’s not because I’ve helped him out too much. It’s going to be because he’s more ready and better. When Carson came here he had Jon Kitna here to help him be a pro. I’m going to help him be a pro. I’d love to help him get there as fast as he can.”

During a normal offseason, Dalton's youth and inexperience would make Jordan the early favorite. But labor issues, and having to learn an entirely new offense (the club fired offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski after the season and hired Jay Gruden) means that everybody's behind. Veteran guard Bobbie Williams still feels sorry for the rookie.

“I don’t know. I’ll just say, God help the young man. I mean, he’s placed in a challenging position. But you know what, in this profession you’re always placed in a challenging position, it’s up to you how you (react) to it.”

If recent Bengals history is any guide, Dalton's in for a long season.

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Posted on: May 21, 2011 6:46 pm
Edited on: May 21, 2011 7:02 pm
 

Rookies are inherently suffering irreparable harm

Posted by Will Brinson

The biggest issue facing the Court of Appeals when they make their ruling on the June 3rd hearing -- at least in my opinion -- is whether or not the 8th Circuit believes the NFLPA actually dissolved.

But there's another tremendous issue that lingers with regard to the current stay of the injunction of the lockout: which party is suffering irreparable harm?

And while reading my colleague Clark Judge's excellent piece on "first-year phenoms" surprising in 2011, something hit me: the damage being done to younger players, courtesy of the current lockout, is absolutely irreparable.

Actually, it was quote from Brian Billick -- ironically, a part-time employee of the NFL itself -- that set it off for me (emphasis mine).

"Let's say they get no OTAs," said Billick. "And let's say we get a full training camp. Then I cut the odds down by at least 50 percent in terms of a quarterback's ability to come in and be a starter. And with every week into training camp we lose I think we knock it down 25 percent."

Those are BIG numbers, people -- imagine if you were a commission-based salesman and someone took away a quarter of your territory. Or even worse, half -- how much would that impact your ability to succeed in your job for the given a year?

Doing any sort of quantitatively accurate math on exactly how much damage would be done to say, someone like Cam Newton, is pretty difficult, simply because we don't know how good he'll be in 2010 and beyond. But here's the follow-up quote from Billick that's even more telling.

"You can't be overly optimistic with what you think you can get done with rookie quarterbacks -- which means a year from now I don't know that we'll know anything more about Cam Newton than we do this year," Billick said.

Now, there's plenty of room for clarification to that quote, but to me, it seems like a player in Cam Newton's situation is having somewhere between 50 and 100 percent of his season killed off by the lockout, depending on how long it goes on.

And there's an argument out there that Newton is still going to get paid (well) and still develop as a quarterback. But here's the counterargument: when he loses somewhere between a half- and full year of development as a result of the lockout, he loses an impossible-to-calculate digit in terms of financial gain from a new contract.

He loses a year of production and/or learning in the prime of his life. He loses, even if you want to be conservative with the average number of years that a first-round quarterback plays, one-tenth of his career.

And there are -- if you want to count Christian Ponder, Jake Locker, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick and Blaine Gabbert -- at least six Newtons out there who are being irreparably damaged.

This holds true for unsigned free agents too. And the players haven't shied away from making that point to the courts. The problem is, the Appeals Court doesn't seem that interested in the argument that a bunch of agents and lawyers are making with respect to the livelihood of a young football player in the NFL.

What they need to be doing is checking with the people who know better than anyone how much a year of learning can damage the career of a rookie in the NFL: the defendants.

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Posted on: May 11, 2011 6:30 pm
 

Lewis: If Palmer comes back he would be starter

Posted by Will Brinson

When the Bengals went out and drafted Andy Dalton with their second-round pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, they made a bold statement by calling Carson Palmer's bluff (you know, the one where he says he's retiring).

Then on Wednesday, Marvin Lewis did the total opposite of that on a call with Bengals' season ticket holders, by telling them that if Palmer comes back, he'll still start.

"If Palmer comes back he would be the starting QB and we would groom Andy to be the QB of the future," Lewis said, per Joe Reedy of the Cincinnati Enquirer.

There normally wouldn't be a whole lot wrong with this, because you'd think Lewis and the Bengals want Palmer to come back and tutor Dalton. Actually, you'd know that because Lewis just said it. But if you're trying to bluff someone on retirement -- and that's what the Bengals appear to be doing with their draft plans -- you wait until the bluff's been seen through before showing your hand to the other player.

In this case, Palmer now knows, once again, that the Bengals are desperate for him to return. If he believed that they a) were fine with rolling with Dalton and b) would not trade him, things might be different.

But they're not. And why would you expect them to be -- this is the Bengals after all.

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Posted on: May 8, 2011 5:44 pm
 

Hot Routes 5.8.11: Tell your mom you love her



Posted by Josh Katzowitz

  • … And speaking of places where Kolb might play next season, the Arizona Republic discusses how the Cardinals’ patience while waiting to sign a starting quarterback might just pay off. And maybe not taking a quarterback in the NFL draft was actually the smart plan all along.
  • From the Miami Herald, here’s the latest on the Dolphins QB situation: “the chances of (Chad) Henne being the regular-season starter for Miami in 2011 are greater than the chances he is replaced.”
  • The NFL.com’s Jason La Canfora talked to some league insiders who rated the best performances of last week’s draft. The Buccaneers got high marks for Adrian Clayborn and Da’Quan Bowers, and the Packers got positive press for a number of picks.

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Posted on: May 8, 2011 2:31 pm
 

AFC North draft truths revealed

Posted by Andy Benoit

One of the best things about the draft is that from it we can find out what teams really think about their current players. Excluding examples of teams filling obvious needs, here are some of the more revealing draft picks from 2011, with a quick blurb of what the team was really saying by making this pick.

Baltimore Ravens

2nd round, Torrey Smith, WR, Maryland
We’re not sure we want to re-sign T.J. Houshmandzadeh, and we need a downfield playmaker anyway. Plus, Derrick Mason can’t play forever…right?

3rd round, Jah Reid, OT, UCFA. Dalton (US Presswire)
Jared Gaither is far too flaky to bank on, and we prefer to play Marshall Yanda at guard.

4th round, Tandon Doss, WR, Indiana
We’re aware of the Torrey Smith-Darrius Heyward-Bey comparisons.

Cincinnati Bengals

1st round, A.J Green, WR, Georgia
We’re as sick of Chad Ochocinco as everyone else.

2nd round, Andy Dalton, QB, TCU
We’re not going to give an inch with Carson Palmer. Problem is, we don’t think he’ll give an inch with us either.

3rd round, Dontay Moch, OLB, Nevada
We’re not sure Michael Johnson has the ability or drive to be a stud starting linebacker. And we might be starting to realize the same thing about Keith Rivers.

Cleveland Browns

1st round, Phil Taylor, DT, Baylor
We need defensive linemen in the worst of ways. Taylor is perfect because he’s Shaun Rogers without being Shaun Rogers.

2nd round, Greg Little, WR, North Carolina
Why spend a first-round pick on Julio Jones when you can get a handful of extra picks and a player who, talent-wise, is not all that far off from Jones? All it takes is a little maneuvering and a slight willingness to overlook character concerns.

Pittsburgh Steelers

2nd round, Marcus Gilbert, OT, Florida
At some point offensive line coach Sean Kugler won’t have the patience of Job and will start pounding his fists on the table.

3rd round, Curtis Brown, CB, Texas
Yeah, yeah, we know about Green Bay’s spread formations in the Super Bowl. But a third-round pick isn’t going to do the trick. That’s why we’re praying we can re-sign Ike Taylor.

Check back throughout the week for other division’s Draft Truths Revealed. To see all Draft Truths Revealed, click the “Draft Truths” tag.

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Posted on: May 7, 2011 4:24 pm
 

For the gambler in you

Posted by Josh Katzowitz

Because it’s never too early to talk about next year’s Super Bowl odds (and a few other prop bets, courtesy bodog.com), we’ll give you an offseason taste “For the gambler in you.”

Will the 2011 NFL regular season start on time (September 8th)?


Yes -500

No +300

Boy, somebody is confident the regular season will start on Sept. 8. I wish I had that much confidence.

Odds to win the 2012 Super Bowl XLVI (as of 5/4/2011)


Green Bay Packers 7/1

New England Patriots 7/1

Pittsburgh Steelers 11/1

San Diego Chargers 12/1

Baltimore Ravens 14/1

New York Jets 14/1

New Orleans Saints 16/1

Indianapolis Colts 16/1

Atlanta Falcons 16/1

Philadelphia Eagles 16/1

Dallas Cowboys 16/1

New York Giants 18/1

Chicago Bears 25/1

Tampa Bay Buccaneers 30/1

Minnesota Vikings 35/1

Detroit Lions 35/1

Houston Texans 35/1

Kansas City Chiefs 35/1

Oakland Raiders 40/1

San Francisco 49ers 40/1

St. Louis Rams 40/1

Miami Dolphins 50/1

Tennessee Titans 50/1

Washington Redskins 50/1

Cincinnati Bengals 60/1

Denver Broncos 60/1

Cleveland Browns 65/1

Jacksonville Jaguars 65/1

Arizona Cardinals 75/1

Seattle Seahawks 80/1

Buffalo Bills 100/1

Carolina Panthers 100/1

Man, I like the Falcons at 16/1. I would not take the Chargers at 12/1. Maybe at 25/1, but not at 12.

Who will be the starting QB for Carolina Game 1 of the 2011 regular season?
       
Cam Newton 2/5       

Jimmy Clausen 5/2 
     
Other QB 11/2   

I don’t know why the Panthers would start Clausen unless Newton was really terrible in practice. So, I wouldn’t take Clausen. If you wanted a chance to make some money, I might go with “Other QB.” 

Who will be the starting QB for Cincinnati Game 1 of the 2011 regular season?
     
Andy Dalton 3/2       

Carson Palmer 11/2 
   
Other QB 2/3   
   
I was going to write “Other QB,” but I could definitely see the Bengals going into the season with Dalton. That’s who I would bet on.

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