Tag:Trade Rumors
Posted on: June 23, 2011 1:06 am
Edited on: June 23, 2011 11:20 am

Report: Sixers, Lakers talking Iggy-Odom trade

Posted by Matt Moore

Right in time for draft day, the Andre Iguodala talks have come back around with a vengeance. And now they've merged with Lamar Odom being available to form a super-rumor that could destroy the Internet! Okay, not really. But they are out there. From SI:
The 76ers are continuing to explore trade options for Andre Iguodala, and league sources said that a deal with the Lakers involving Lamar Odom has been discussed recently. While it's unclear whether the deal has real potential or is still alive, it's yet another sign that the Sixers are determined to land an impact player while improving their salary-cap situation in any trade for their second-leading scorer and top defender.
via Sixers discuss trading Andre Iguodala to Lakers for Lamar Odom - Sam Amick - SI.com.

 For starters, this is now the third Odom rumor in the past 24 hours, from the No.2 to Monta Ellis from Golden State to here. It's pretty clear the Lakers are shopping Odom aggressively, and getting involved with all the popular targets. Here's the Monta Ellis talks that died on the vine from Ken Berger of CBSSports.com:
A recent conversation between the Warriors and Lakers centered around Lamar Odom and Shannon Brown going to Golden State for Ellis, but those talks went nowhere, sources said.
via Draft Buzz: Monta, Odom, Rambis and more - CBSSports.com.

So now things have turned to Philadelphia and Igoudala, who is younger, not a space cadet, and a much better passer. Unfortunately, he's not as good. Odom had an outlier season at 31 years old. But even when you ignore the stats, where Odom is superior in every facet throughout his career barring assists, Odom has been more of a difference maker for the Lakers than Iguodala for the Sixers. Iguodala is a great complimentary player, but he neither bridges the gap to the future for the Lakers nor makes them an emphatically better team. Plus, they would almost assuredly have to take on more salary from the Lakers, in the form of someone bile-inducing like Luke Walton

A Luke Walton-Spencer Hawes combination on the floor. The horror...

Expect Odom to stay in talks through the draft, but any player that whifs three times in trade talks is unlikely to be moved. Trading a player is less of a process and more of a roulette wheel. Spin it three times and you run out of chips.
Posted on: June 22, 2011 1:59 pm
Edited on: June 22, 2011 2:19 pm

76ers president Thorn admits to shopping Iguodala

Posted by Royce Young

You see it all the time. A player's name comes up in trade discussions, things start to pick up momentum with multiple reports coming out with said player's name attached and then, a denial. The front office comes out and says, "We love [said player] and aren't actively shopping him. Those reports aren't true." Two weeks later, the player is traded.

I think this is known as the Gilbert Arenas Rule.

Just last week, Warriors general manager Larry Riley pulled the same thing with Monta Ellis.

This time, a breath of fresh air. Sixers president Rod Thorn, instead of denying the trade rumors surrounding Andre Iguodala, pretty much straight up admitted it.

"Obviously, with all the speculation, there have been some conversations that have involved him. We've had conversations that have involved other players on our team, too. I wouldn't say that we initiate the majority of the conversations [about Iguodala], but maybe some of them," Thorn told the Philadelphia Daily News. "I talked to Andre about 3 weeks ago. He's used to the speculation. In my time here in less than a year, there's been a lot of speculation regarding him. He's a pro; I think it's part of the business. He's always said that he would like to stay. He's never said he'd like to be traded. Not to me."

Well done, Rod. We appreciate your quasi-honesty.

We all know Iguodala is on the block, so to deny it would just be silly. Iguodala's been on the block for a while now and, finally, his name is coming up in some real discussions involving the Clippers, Warriors and even Magic.

With the draft just a day away, I'm sure Iguodala will be paying close attention as he's certainly a candidate to be moved.
Posted on: June 20, 2011 3:40 pm
Edited on: June 20, 2011 3:40 pm

Your 'Insane Timberwolves Rumor' roundup

Posted by Matt Moore

Only with the Timberwolves would a No.2 overall pick be considered a burden. But that's the case as just as soon as the Wolves found their spot in the lottery, rumors of them trying to trade it sprang to life. And as Thursday's draft inches ever closer, they've gotten out of control. They're multiplying like Gremlins. Seriously, if you see one, don't feed it after midnight. Here's what we've got. These are rumors and should be viewed with skepticism, but they pass the "okay, that's not so absurd it's laughable"/"that can't possibly work under the current CBA" test. 

Pau Gasol for Kevin Love and the No.2.  Yeah, that's what you call a blockbuster deal. It sounds insane, until you think about it. The Wolves do want an established star. Gasol is buds with Rubio out of Spain. The Lakers have been frustrated with Gasol and Love would rebound and hit threes while not challenging Bryant. Then you think about it some more and it's still completely insane. Eric Pincus of Hoopsworld floated some substantiation of the idea touched on by ESPN in a chat session about Gasol being on the Wolves' radar. Respected cap analyst Larry Coon tweeted over the weekend that there "may be some fire" there. Coon also said Love and the No.2 is too much, and that Love has not been put on the table. The big thing here is that moving Gasol means risking the championship window which is assuredly still open as long as Gasol is still within range of his prime, which he is, though the distance is increasing. Plus Love's poor defense could be a big issue under Mike Brown. But there's a decent around of smoke around this one, even if the flames seem plastic.

Here's a fun one. The ESPN radio affiliate out of Minneapolis reported over the weekend that conversations had taken place between the Wolves and Bucks, sending the No.2 pick for Andrew Bogut and the No.10 pick. Darren Wolfson of local television confirmed the report and the Minneapolis Star-Tribune says it's possible, but Milwaukee isn't biting. If Milwaukee were chasing the deal, it would mean that something was seriously wrong with Bogut's wrist, which would probably kill the trade in a physical anyway. And with Darko Milicic on the books for four more years, the deal only gets more confusing.

Weirdly, the one established player who the Wolves could use who is on the block, and the one team that could use the No.2 as a building block in starting over is Monta Ellis and the Golden State Warriors. But while it makes a lot of sense, there's no one biting, so far. 

Thankfully a rumor that had Washington offering up JaVale McGee was shot down by the Washington Post. Trying to imagine McGee in the Minnesota winter trying to clown around with Ricky Rubio while Kevin Love cries at his locker was a little much to take in as a mental image. 

Posted on: June 20, 2011 10:12 am
Edited on: June 20, 2011 1:53 pm

Report: Iguodala thinks he's done in Philly

Posted by Matt Moore

How long has Andre Iguodala been on the trade block, now? Two years? Three? Seems like forever. But with the draft heating up, the Sixers looking to commit to Evan Turner, and needing to capitalize on Iguodala's trade value at its height,  Iguodala's involved in even more speculation. Now Hoopsworld reports that Iguodala is pretty sure his time munching cheesesteaks is over. 
Meanwhile, Philadelphia wants to move forward with their plans and doesn't want their drama with Iguodala to drag out during the lengthy labor talks, which will keep teams from trading players. A deal appears inevitable at this point, with sources close to Iguodala confirming that he's open to a trade and doesn't expect to be back in Philadelphia next season.
via NBA AM: Will Andre Iguodala Be Dealt Before Draft? - Basketball News & NBA Rumors -.

"Inevitable" is a word that's been used in regards to Iguodala trade talks for years, so it's hard to see this as much of a change in status. But having Iggy himself think he's through is a pretty good sign a deal will be done before the end of the year at the very latest. Then again, Kirk Hinrich was pretty sure he was through in Chicago at the 2009 draft, and he lasted quite a bit longer in the Windy City. Sometimes trading your best players takes a while for the right bid to come in.

Other times, you're Kevin McHale and your former team comes calling.

Iguodala can be great on a team where he's a third option, operating as a complimentary player and defender next to two solid offensive options. But he should be wary of being traded somewhere that he's expected to be "the guy." He does not have, nor has ever had, the capability to take over offensively. He's a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none, and needs to make sure he's given the keys to the castle for maintenance, not the throne. That of course would require self-awareness, which in the NBA is about as rare as consistent elite free throw shooting. Only a hand full of guys have it, really.
Posted on: June 18, 2011 9:40 pm
Edited on: June 18, 2011 10:04 pm

Report: Warriors made offer for Howard?

Posted by Matt Moore

Despite what their front office is saying, there continues to be a considerable amount of noise about the Warriors actively shopping Monta Ellis over the last month. And now that noise has started to make the noise that sounds a lot like the Superman theme. While it was an offer that fell short, it's still intriguing that Golden State is swinging for the fences. 

Draft Express reports:
The Dwight Howard sweepstakes have begun. Golden State offered Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins and Ekpe Udoh. Unlikely that'll get it done.
via Twitter / @DraftExpress: The Dwight Howard sweepsta ....

 Udoh actually showed quite a bit in his first season for Golden State, but obviously, he's not even close to 50 percent of a replacement for Howard (and 50 percent is really the best you can hope to get for a player of his stature). Biedrins' fade has seemingly been permanent and at 25, there's little hope fo him making the astronomic jump to be a huge component. 

Ellis being in the conversation, however, is interesting on another level. While the package doesn't come close to matching what the Magic would need for Howard (nor has Orlando seemingly shown any interest in trading Howard), Ellis makes for a fine fit on the Magic. The Magic need a legitimate scoring option who doesn't rely on the open perimeter shot, who can create off the dribble. Ellis fits that image perfectly. Stan Van Gundy can cover Ellis' defensive worries the way he covered Vince Carter's. It fits nicely.

Of course, just as the Warriors don't have the right combination to trade for Howard, without Howard, the Magic don't have the pieces to trade for Ellis. It's a near-fit, but not quite enough.

If nothing else, the lowest bar for the Howard sweepstakes has been set. The offer for Dwight Howard has to at least be better than Ellis, Biedrins, and Udoh. 

Good to know.
Posted on: June 16, 2011 10:20 pm
Edited on: June 17, 2011 2:27 am

Report: Sessions and Hickson available from Cavs

Posted by Matt Moore

ESPN reports on Twitter:  
2 players you can talk to Cavs about now: Ramon Sessions & JJ Hickson. Andy Varejao not available for just a draft pick.
via Twitter / @WindhorstESPN: 2 players you can talk to ....

Sessions we knew about, as his agent has been talking about how there's not room in Cleveland if the Cavs take Kyrie Iving with the first pick next week. But Hickson is a different matter, and moving him could be a difference maker as the Cavs try and make substantial changes to their roster in a rebuilding effort.  

Hickson was at one point considered a major building block for the Cavs, but he struggled under Byron Scott, especially at the offensive end where he shot 46 percent, a significant drop off from previous seasons once he was given more minutes. Hickson is still young, though, and on a team that isn't, you know, hemorrhaging like roadkill, he could be a useful frontcourt rotation player. Maybe Cleveland can ship him to a contender needing talented big men who aren't aging, somewhere that needs depth. Oh. like Miam....oh. Nevermind.

If the Cavs are liquidating assets, though, that's a good plan. Keeping Varejao for more than a draft pick isn't a terrible idea, considering he was a defensive player of the year until his injury. But the Cavs need to be keeping an eye out for acceptable offers and still keeping the bar low. The objective needs to be to move every veteran contract that is on the books after this year. Varejao can help a contender, but there's not much he can do for the Cavs and they need to fully commit to a rebuilding era. Moving Sessions and Hickson, who are both younger pieces, is still a good start.
Posted on: June 9, 2011 5:14 pm
Edited on: June 9, 2011 8:27 pm

The NBA Trade Movie of the Week: "Get Monta"

Posted by Matt Moore

Coming this summer from the NBA Board of Governors' CBA Negotiation Meeting Productions: a new film by director Larry Riley. Starring Mark Jackson, Andre Iguodala, Jerry West, and Monta Ellis as Monta Ellis, the biggest blockbuster of the summer, "Get Monta." 

From KB:
The Warriors and representatives for Monta Ellis are working cooperatively to see if a trade to a contending team can be arranged, a deal that would likely happen around the NBA draft later this month, a person with knowledge of the discussions told CBSSports.com. “It’s pretty hot,” the person familiar with the talks said.

UPDATE: The Trail Blazers, Lakers, and Hawks, are among the teams that made exploratory calls after word leaked that the Warriors and 76ers were discussing an Ellis-for-Andre Iguodala swap, league sources said Thursday. Ellis-for-Iguodala is a “50-50” proposition at the moment, a person with knowledge of those talks said. A third person with knowledge of the Warriors strategy described trading Ellis as a secondary priority to the draft.

Ellis would be interested in a trade to the Bulls, who have previously expressed interest in him. But a person with direct knowledge of Chicagos offseason discussions refuted the notion that the Bulls have had recent contact with Golden State about the electrifying guard.
via Source: Monta trade talks pretty hot - CBSSports.com.

Let's look at some of these options. Logic Score refers to how much the trade makes sense, on a scale of 1 to 5. 

Trail Blazers

Logic Score:  3

The Blazers need backcourt help and Brandon Roy is walking through that door, but he's probably limping. The Blazers have the young talent available to make a deal but sent some picks to Charlotte that could limit them. For the deal to make sense, it would likely have to center around standout small forward Nicolas Batum, along with Wesley Matthews. It makes a lot of sense for the Blazers, provided Nate McMillan thinks he can get through to Ellis on defense. It would be interesting to see Ellis play in a halfcourt offense for once. 

Los Angeles Lakers

Logic Score: 2

Yeah, because Kobe Bryant's definitely going to want to give the ball up to Monta Ellis. Yeah, because Ellis is definitely Mike Brown's kind of defensive standout guy. Yeah, because Ellis can definitely run point guard in a system that relies on low turnovers. Yeah, because the Lakers are definitely willing to give up on their center of the future, Andrew Bynum, for Ellis with no reasonable addition in return. Yeah, because otherwise the Warriors are really looking for Matt Barnes, Luke Walton, and Derek Fisher. I don't care how much Mark Jackson likes veteran guys, this deal makes absolutely zero sense.

Chicago Bulls 

Logic Score: 4

The Bulls have Luol Deng's contract they can send, along with some good big man defensive talent to cash in on. Ellis would take possessions away from Rose, sure, but he could also be deadly as the drive and kick option and an incredible complement in transition. Ellis would take pressure off Carlos Boozer, and the Bulls can send Charlotte's 2012 pick as part of their package. This makes a lot of sense on a lot of levels. Ellis' defense? Listen, if Tom Thibodeau can make the best defense in the league with Carlos Boozer at power forward, he can do the same with Ellis at the two-guard.

Philadelphia 76ers

Logic Score: 3

This is likely to happen, and it makes a ton of sense for the Warriors. They get a defensive presence in Iguodala, likely some other personnel to fill more defensive roles and a true building block to go along with Curry. But the Sixers get Ellis, while having to mitigate further what Evan Turner can give them and force him to play big at the 3 or bury Jrue Holiday with Ellis running point. The only way this could be a slam dunk for the Sixers is if they manage to dump some other salary as well, but they'd have to get quality players like Dorell Wright or Ekpe Udoh in return. With the Warriors' pick seemingly set on a big man, that might be a decent option.
Posted on: June 8, 2011 5:21 pm
Edited on: June 8, 2011 6:18 pm

Report: Kaman for Iguodala being talked about

Posted by Royce Young

First, it was Andre Iguodala for Monta Ellis. Now, a report from ESPN.com has the Clippers and 76ers talking about a Iguodala for Chris Kaman deal.

Alert: The Sixers would very much like to trade Andre Iguodala.

Iguodala is on the books through 2014 (he has an early termination offer) making about $44 million over the next three years. Kaman's contract expires after next season, and his salary lines up with Iguodala's, making a one-for-one swap possible.

Obviously, the attraction of this trade for Philadelphia is the expiring deal of Kaman, who would pull about $12 million off their cap after he expires. And don't forget: Kaman was an All-Star center two years ago. He battled injuries last year, but the guy is a productive seven-footer. Is he worth Iguodala straight up without the expiring deal? Of course not. But you're getting a quality, All-Star-ish center in exchange for a guy who may not really fit your roster.

For the Clippers, this deal is a beautiful thing. If I were them, I'd toss in whatever it took (within reason, of course) to make it happen. A starting five of Mo Williams, Eric Gordon, Iguodala, Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan? That's a group you can win with. Plus, young talent like Eric Bledsoe and Al-Farouq Aminu will develop as well. I'd love to know why the Clippers would ever say no. Because this deal almost makes too much sense.

The Clippers would get a wing stopper and slasher to pair up with Griffin. Gordon already can handle primary scoring duties along with Griffin, and now you've got maybe the best perimeter defender in the league. You're more athletic, longer and a team that can win a lot more games in the 90s.

The Sixers made the playoffs with Iguodala playing a key role, but he's seemingly been on the block for months now. He just doesn't seem to fit quite right in Philadelphia, for whatever reason. And despite last season's successes, moving Iguodala appears to be part of an overreaching long-term building plan. More cap room to go along with more breathing space to develop younger guys like Thaddeus Young and Evan Turner, I guess. Not a terrible plan, but I'd at least ask for a draft pick or two to go along with it.

As is with so many trades that float out there in the world, this one probably will dry up within a few days. But it's an interesting deal to think about. And yet another sign that the Sixers are very much interested in moving Iggy.

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