Posted on: December 18, 2010 2:00 pm
Edited on: August 14, 2011 9:41 pm
The Phoenix Suns and Orlando Magic continue to talk trade, and the moves may include Hedo Turkoglu, Jason Richardson, Vince Carter and Marcin Gortat. The Wizards and Magic also continue to talk. Posted by Ben Golliver. Earlier, we noted Ken Berger's CBSSports.com's report that the Phoenix Suns were engaging in ongoing talks between the Washington Wizards and the Orlando Magic, and that the talks likely included trading wing Hedo Turkoglu, one of the most overpaid players in the NBA. We noted that the nature of Phoenix's participation wasn't entirely clear Saturday morning but that they are motivated sellers after a slow start and a log jam on the wings. ESPN.com reports on Twitter that the Suns and the Magic are "closing in on a deal" that would send send Hedo Turkoglu and Jason Richardson to Orlando for Vince Carter and Marcin Gortat. The report adds that there is a "90% chance" of the trade happening "within 24 hours." As a standalone trade for the Magic, this isn't bad at all. Richardson is still a very productive player, a dynamic offensive force who can knock down the open shot, can create off the dribble and is a good rebounder for his position. He averaged 15.7 points, 5.1 rebounds and 1.8 assists last season and was a major key in Phoenix's deep playoff run last year. His scoring numbers are up to 19.3 points this year because Amar'e Stoudemire left town, but he's better as a second or third option, which is what he would be in Orlando. He's also in the final year of his contract, so he's not a financial anchor if things don't work out. Turkoglu's contract, which is fully guaranteed through 2012-2013, is the tax the Magic would pay for Richardson's production, but Orlando's team and coaching staff are familiar with his game, and Turkoglu's best years, by far, came in an Orlando uniform. The Magic would be relinquishing two solid trade chips: the expiring contract of Vince Carter and trusty backup big man Marcin Gortat. Carter has proven he won't be able to help Orlando get over the hump and Howard is an extremely durable big man, rendering Gortat, a physical and skilled big man, more valuable on paper than he is on the court for Orlando, where he plays just 15.8 minutes per night this season. For Phoenix, this move will be a tough sell to the fanbase. Richardson's playoff heroics aren't soon forgotten and his departure would likely be a bitter pill to swallow. However, there are others on Phoenix's roster who can pick up the scoring slack. The issue for Phoenix this season (and in years past) has been defense and rebounding. The Suns are currently dead last in defensive efficiency and second to last in rebound rate. Gortat pencils in as their starting center and would make an immediate impact. He's also on a reasonable contract that extends through 2013-2014, so the Suns would be receiving a fair bit of frontline certainty here as well. Carter is of a lesser concern for the Suns. He could provide some highlights and make up for some of the scoring that leaves with Richardson's departure, but he's in the last fully guaranteed year of his contract and may or may not have a long-term future in Phoenix. ESPN.com also confirms reports that this trade could also happen in conjunction with another deal that could send forward Rashard Lewis to the Washington Wizards for Gilbert Arenas and an unnamed big man. If that trade were to happen, minutes would be open for Turkoglu at both forward positions and Arenas would presumably be used in a reserve role behind starting point guard Jameer Nelson and Richardson. Orlando Pinstriped Post notes that other pieces involved in the Suns / Magic trade could include Magic wing Mickael Pietrus and little-used Suns forward Earl Clark. The site also reports that Magic wing Quentin Richardson could also be traded, which happens frequently.
Posted on: December 18, 2010 12:42 pm
Edited on: August 14, 2011 9:41 pm
The Phoenix Suns are the latest team to join trade rumors involving the Orlando Magic and Washington Wizards on a possible Gilbert Arenas deal. Posted by Ben Golliver.
We've been carefully tracking the Gilbert Arenas trade rumors for months. On Friday, whispers that began back in October and got warm in December intensified, when it was reported that the Orlando Magic and Washington Wizards were zeroing in on a deal for the former Agent Zero. As the night progressed, Magic big man Marcin Gortat, Magic wing Vince Carter and forward Rashard Lewis both found their names in various rumors, although the final framework of the deal that would reunite Arenas with a mentor, Magic GM Otis Smith, hasn't yet emerged, although reports continue that a deal is close. Ken Berger of CBSSports.com reports that a third team could wind up crashing the Washington / Orlando party.
League sources say a third team is involved, with the Suns possibly contributing Hedo Turkoglu to the equation. The Magic, trying to make a bold move to close the gap with Boston and Miami, would wind up with Arenas and Turkoglu, who would return to the team he led to the NBA Finals before a frustrating year in Toronto. Magic center Marcin Gortat is "100 percent involved," though it's unclear whether the Magic would be sending out Rashard Lewis, Vince Carter, or both.One of the guarantees coming into this season is that Phoenix, run by cost-conscious, impulsive owner Robert Sarver, would be active prior to the trade deadline if they didn't start hot. By handing out relatively big contracts to the likes of Josh Childress and Hakim Warrick, trading for the massively-overpaid Turkoglu, and re-signing Jared Dudley, the Suns simply had way, way too much money committed at the same position, making adequate roster and positional balance virtually impossible. The Suns have started 12-13, which is good enough for second place in the terrible Pacific Division, but puts them on the outside of the Western Conference playoff picture looking in. Until more details emerge, it's unclear what Phoenix's role will be, whether it's as a facilitator to make salaries work or as a legitimate partner. Meanwhile, Berger also reports that landing Arenas in Orlando may not be as easy as first thought.
But according to a person familiar with the situation, Smith faces two significant obstacles in bringing Arenas to Orlando. The first is Magic coach Stan Van Gundy, who has told friends he is extremely reluctant to add Arenas to the roster. The second, and even more important impediment, is Orlando ownership, which has serious reservations about absorbing Arenas' contract. Arenas has one more year left than Lewis and two more than Carter -- essentially three more with Carter's partial guarantee in 2013-14. Turkoglu's contract could ease some of that pain, as the Turkish star agreed to accept a reduced guarantee in '13-'14 as part of his trade from Toronto to Phoenix.In Arenas, Turkoglu and Lewis, you're looking at three of the worst contracts in the entire league, so there's no question it will take some internal selling from management on all sides of this trade to convince their own owners that the grass is greener on the other side. But that doesn't necessarily mean this will fall apart, as all three teams are very motivated sellers. Washington needs to turn the keys over to John Wall and start a new chapter. That's a no-brainer, and has been clear since the Wizards drafted Wall with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2010 NBA draft. Orlando needs an aggressive scoring spark on the wing to avoid taking a half-step back this season. Saturday morning, the Orlando Sentinel quotes Smith as saying trade talks with the Wizards are at an "8" on a 1-10 level of seriousness. The Associated Press reports that Smith confirmed that talks are ongoing but also said that "nothing is imminent" with regard to an Arenas trade. The Sentinel also notes that Magic brass "would much rather have" Denver Nuggets all star forward Carmelo Anthony or New Orleans Hornets all star point guard Chris Paul, but Anthony appears headed elsewhere and Paul hasn't seen his name in serious trade rumors since the season started. Phoenix, as explained above, could use better roster balance, as coach Alvin Gentry has struggled with setting his bench rotation all season, in part because of so many relatively similar pieces on the wing. Given Smith's comment about the seriousness of these talks, surely there will be more developments as the weekend continues.
Posted on: December 18, 2010 3:27 am
Edited on: December 18, 2010 3:29 am
As Wizards and Magic continue trade talks, Rashard Lewis' name has entered the discussions, according to one source. Posted by Matt Moore
Hot on the heels of reports that talks between Orlando and Washington are stirring, a number of other developments have occurred. Orlando Pinstriped Post, the blog that first reported talks had resumed between the Magic and Wizards on December 1st is reporting that a source has indicated Rashard Lewis has been included in trade talks with the Washington Wizards in the Magic's ongoing pursuit of Gilbert Arenas.
Internet reports (yes I realize they're all internet reports) have started cropping up regarding the possibility of a deal being done, but a source tells CBSSports.com's Ken Berger that no deal is "imminent" though talks are ongoing.
Moving Lewis would be a huge move for Orlando, bigger than Vince Carter. It would mean taking their biggest anchor of a contract off their books, though they'd have to add on something equally laborious. The Wizards do have newly-extended Andray Blatche who seems to have worn out his welcome, alongside Arenas' massive contract. There's also the possibility of a third team getting involved with talks, with Portland, Charlotte, and Houston all heavy in trade discussions of the past week.
The Magic are aiming for something big to remake the team and get them to the next level, the one Boston currently perches atop like Zeus on the mountain. Debate will rage should they choose to add Arenas if he is the kind of player that can get him there. As it stands, Arenas is a better facilitator than Carter, but a less efficient scorer, and one with a higher usage. According to Synergy Sports, Arenas has been the superior defender this season, allowing .83 points per possession to Carter's 1.00.
Of course, all of this discounts the immeasurable intangible questions associated with Arenas. It's hard to find a player with worse recurring injury issues than Vince Carter, but Arenas fits the bill. This is all before the whole "bringing firearms to his place of work" thing.
Lewis has been a staple of the Orlando offense, and was a huge part of the 2009 Finals run for the Magic. But as he's gotten older, he's become an even worse rebounder, and has lost his ability to create his own shot. As a result, the offense stagnates under him. Moving him would be a boon, even if they took back someone limited. If they were to get a more traditional power forward, perhaps, it might be a win for the Magic.
We'll keep you posted.
Posted on: December 17, 2010 9:37 pm
Edited on: December 18, 2010 12:04 am
Report suggests Magic moving closer to previously discussed trade for Gilbert Arenas.
Posted by Matt Moore
Gilbert Arenas could be headed to the Magic. This is breaking, stunning news in the basketball world.
Except when Ken Berger told you about it in October . And then there's this headline from Magic blog Orlando Pinstriped Post from December 1st, a whole two weeks ago:
Huh. So maybe this isn't breaking news after all.
Regardless, Yahoo! Sports is reporting that now the Magic and Wizards are involved in "serious" discussions regarding a trade of Arenas to Orlando. This is opposed to previous discussions, which featured whoopie cushions, puns, and rubber chickens. Specifically advancing the story, Woj reports that Arenas has let the cat out of the bag to people close to him:
Arenas has privately told people for days that he believes a deal will soon send him to Orlando, where he’ll be reunited with Magic general manager Otis Smith, a friend and mentor from Arenas’ days with the Golden State Warriors . Sources said Orlando has escalated its pursuit of a deal in recent days. After losing five of their past six games, the Magic have shown more urgency to find a perimeter scorer who can help them stay a viable contender in the Eastern Conference.No indications yet if it was Arenas' gun club he was speaking to. Speaking of bad jokes.
Orlando has to make a move and soon if they want to try and capitalize on the Dwight Howard window. Howard has indicated of course that he likes Orlando, but has been very clear about not verbally committing to a team that may not be contending. The Magic have taken steps back each season since their Finals appearance, starting with the decision to jettison Hedo Turkoglu for Vince Carter. Lately they've become not only mortal, but predictable. Frustrations have boiled over, and the time to make a move is now.
The teams are still debating assets to send back to Washington but Vince Carter and Marcin Gortat are likely being discussed.
Adding Arenas is a calculated risk. If he can stay healthy and play to his ceiling, he could be a better version of Jameer Nelson, alongside him. The question is whether that's enough to make a difference for the Magic versus the elite teams in the East. But with only so many stars available, you have to make a move when you have the opportunity.
This might be that time for Orlando.
Posted on: December 13, 2010 10:10 pm
Edited on: December 13, 2010 10:43 pm
Wizards' three best players likely out versus defending champion Lakers. Posted by Matt Moore
You know what the Wizards can't afford to have happen? John Wall to miss games. The number one overall pick leads the Wizards in assists and steals, is third in scoring, and fifth in rebounds. But if Wall is missing, what the Wizards really can't afford to have happen is for Gilbert Arenas to miss time. He's their leading scorer and second best overall player. But if those two are missing, they certainly can't afford to have Andray Blatche gone.
You know where this is going. From the Washington Post :
Blatche's appears to be the most severe, with Coach Flip Saunders saying that the 6-11 forward is "probably out" against the two-time defending champion Los Angeles Lakers with a swollen left knee. Wall has developed some soreness in his right knee, which Saunders said is probably the result of overcompensation from his left foot injury, and is "very questionable." Arenas is probable, with what the team is calling "general soreness."via Wizards Insider - The latest NBA news from Michael Lee.
Which means the Wizards, who face the Lakers Tuesday, will be without their three best players, against the most talented team in the league (apologies to the Miami Triad). Even with the Lakers struggling, they're still a dominant team, and the Wizards were a heavy underdog to begin with. Without any of the Wizards' Moderate-Sized-Three, they may as well forfeit. This could get ugly.
Derek Fisher and Lamar Odom are probably thankful, though.
Anyone else wonder if Flip Saunders is going to have to turn to some sort of medicinal alternative to get through this stint with the Wizards?
Posted on: December 1, 2010 6:41 pm
Posted by Royce Young
There's been rumor around Gilbert Arenas getting traded basically since the Washington Wizards won the lottery. It's pretty obvious that the Wizards have at least asked around who migt be interested.
And with the latest rumor coming out today that included Arenas in a deal that would send him to Orlando, the organization saw it fit to try and shoot it down.
Wizard owner Ted Leonsis told the Washington Post it's not happening:
“The team is trying to rebuild and Gilbert is one of the leaders on the team,” Leonsis wrote. “Gilbert is the best player on the team right now…. It isn’t true. I wouldn’t tell you if it was true but I am telling you that it is not true.”The caveat at the end there is my favorite part. I wouldn't tell you if it was, but I'm telling you it's not. Believable.
Still, the Wizards are at least denying it which speaks to the fact they might be willing to hold on to Arenas for at least the rest of this season and maybe another after.
Leonsis has been a very public supporter of Arenas over the past year and this isn't a surprise. He's probably telling the truth in regard to this specific talk. But if the right deal were to come along, I don't think the Wizards would think too much about offloading Arenas' huge contract and start the transition entirely to the John Wall Era.
Posted on: December 1, 2010 3:36 pm
Edited on: December 1, 2010 3:37 pm
Posted by Royce Young
At some point, Gilbert Arenas has to move on from Washington. There's just no way the Wizards are willing to jeopardize John Wall's development by stunting his growth with Arenas playing alongside him.
But with Arenas' massive contract and the baggage that comes with him, he's going to be tough to move. Doesn't mean the Wizards aren't probably trying though. And despite the problems with him, Gilbert Arenas is still a really, really talented basketball player. So there's absolutely a market for him.
One team that's reportedly interested is the Orlando Magic, a club that's desperately in search of a reliable scoring option to play with Dwight Howard. The Magic have already apparently made everyone available on the team sans Howard and now, they could be getting proactive.
The Orlando Pinstriped Post, a very reliable blog, reports that the Wizards and Magic have discussed a deal that would send Arenas to Orlando. Also involved could potentially be Andray Blatche, Vince Carter, Rashard Lewis and rookie Daniel Orton. From the report:
Both teams have a mutual understanding of what the trade might include, the source says, and it's unclear what factors are holding up the trade. What is clear around the league, however, is that Magic President of Basketball Operations Otis Smith has his eye on Arenas. If Orlando is to make a major trade this season, Arenas will likely be the target.As noted in the report, CBS Sports' Ken Berger reported the Magic listened to offers for Arenas this summer, but said no to the Wizards due to concern over the salary remaining on his contract, which runs for three seasons after this one, at a total cost of $62.4 million. In early November, ESPN.com reported "the Magic have cooled on the notion of a Vince Carter-for-Arenas exchange," citing "NBA front-office sources." However, the source who spoke to Orlando Pinstriped Post contradicts Stein's report, saying Orlando has indeed initiated the discussions with Washington of late. So who knows.
An interesting deal, especially if Blatche were involved, considering the Wizards just locked him up to be part of their future. But swapping Carter for Arenas makes sense because it gives the Magic the scorer they want and with Carter's deal being up soon, the Wizards have a nice contract to come off the books in the near future, plus can hand the reins of the team completely over to Wall.
With the Magic playing so well early on, they might hesitate. But they had an identical record at this point last season and were missing a scorer that they had in Hedo Turkoglu when they made their Finals run. So Otis Smith might be encouraged to get something done this time around. And by the sounds of it, it could involve Arenas.
Posted on: November 11, 2010 4:10 pm
Posted by Royce Young
In that new Sports Illustrated article where Gilbert Arenas talks about faking an injury because of potential boos and talks about moving over for John Wall, he mentions something else of note.
He said: “I understand what people think because of the perception of me. They read the funny stuff, like me taking a crap in [teammate] Andray Blatche’s shoes. But nobody is going to ask what Andray did to deserve it."
Is that a dare? Was Arenas daring some reporter to walk into the locker room, look Arenas in the eye and ask, "So what's up with you crapping in Andray Blatche's shoes?" And did he really not think someone would. Because they did. And Truth About It has Arenas' answer.