Tag:Al Horford
Posted on: November 4, 2010 1:46 am
Edited on: November 4, 2010 1:52 am

Horford vs. Noah: Tale of the Tape

Posted by Matt Moore

When Al Horford received his 5-year, $60 million extension last week , there wasn't a whole lot of dissent. After all, Horford's a hard-working, versatile center who was an All-Star last season and has very much become a respected NBA player. Horford's been a huge part of the Hawks' success, and his extension is well-worth his production. But of course, whenever an NBA player is given money, there's someone to come along and doubt if he's worth it. This week's winner? Andrew Sharp from SBNation.com ! Sharp's not saying Horford's not worth it, just that Joakim Noah is the player he wants his team instead. This doesn't reflect any choice either the Bulls or Hawks have had recently, just that the money spent on Noah's extension is better spent. From Sharp:


By contrast, Noah is a weapon for the Bulls regardless of whether Derrick Rose feeds him on the low block. He operates out of the high post, uses his passing to break down defense while teammates cut off him, and then he crashes the boards. Where maximizing a good post player involves a complex balance within an offense, Noah's impact is simple.

If Horford can become a dominant scorer on the low block, then he's worth the investment it takes for Atlanta to get him involved. But if he's going to score 16 to 18 points-per-game for his career, wouldn't it make more sense to have someone like Noah, who makes an impact without his team making an effort to get him involved, has proven a terror in the playoffs, rebounds better, and changes more shots on the other end?

Again, it comes down to what you want from a big man in 2010.

Well, I suppose that's true. It does come down to what you want in a big man. And if you want a guy that rebounds? Sure! That's who you want. But if you're looking for a guy who can help you defend in the paint, and the overall best player? It's Horford. And it's not really close. Let's go to the tape!

Here's a look at the relatively basic stats, some advanced stats, and some numbers via Synergy Sports. Basic stats via Basketball-Reference . Opposing PER via 82games.com . Points per possession via Synergy Sports , with number of possessions in parentheses. Stats from 09-10, since we have such a small sample size this season.

Category Noah Horford Advantage
Points Per Game 10.7 14.2 Noah
Rebounds Per Game 11 9.9 Noah
Blocks Per Game 1.6 1.1 Noah
Points Per 36 12.8 14.5 Horford
Rebounds Per 36 13.2 10.1 Noah
Blocks Per 36 1.9 1.2 Noah
FG% 50% 55% Horford
PER 17.9 19.4 Horford
Defensive Rating 98 101 Noah
PPP Offense (Overall) .94 (703) 1.067 (1073) Horford
PPP Off-Post: .80 (104) .92 (379) Horford
PPP Off-P'N'R: 1.09 (88) 1.12 (112) Horford
PPP Defense (Overall) 0.85 (752) 0.78 (1074) Horford
PPP D-Post: 88 (176) .69 (283) Horford
PPP D-P'N'R: .86 (253) .92 (318) Noah
Opp. PER 17.5 16.5 Horford
Playoff wins against Celtics 0 0 Draw
Rebound Rate 20% 16% Noah

Some things to note here:

  • Noah was hampered by plantar fasciitis last season among a few other injuries. That's an injury that's going to hamper you, though by all accounts he was much better by the end of the year.
  • The Synergy numbers do bear out across earlier seasons.
  • For Defense on PPP, remember lower is better, because it's points allowed per possession.
  • If you're unfamiliar with Synergy, it actually tracks possession by possession with video. So these aren't estimated stats. You can actually go through and watch each possession the two spent defending the post last season.
  • The wins against the Celtics are due to Sharp's rather random comparison of the two players against the Celtics among other teams. If we're going to dramatically oversimplify matters then I thought we'd take it to the fullest extent.
  • It should also be noted Tom Ziller took down the assertion that Noah was superior in his post at NBA FanHouse's The Works Wednesday Morning.
So what do we see from these numbers? If you want someone to grab that loose ball after the miss? You want Noah. With those long arms, big frame, and Joakim-ness, Noah is your guy. But if you want a player who will force that miss? Particularly in the post? It's Horford, by a healthy margin.

Sharp makes the argument that Horford's scoring is somehow disruptive to the offense (which is a lot like saying bullets are disruptive in a gunfight). But as we see from the play breakdowns, Horford only used 4.3% of his possessions in ISO situations. Everything else came off of a set play. This on a team that too often was plagued by too much ISO play. Horford wasn't disruptive, if anything, he was part of the solution, not the problem.

So really, what we're left with is rebounding. On a team with Josh Smith, Zaza Pachulia, and a fleet of wings, Horford was 4% behind Noah, who was flanked by... Taj Gibson and Luol Deng. This isn't to say Noah's overrated as a rebounder. He's not. But the gap between he and Horford's work on the glass is not great enough to amke up for Horford's advantages on both offense and defense.

Joakim Noah is a terrific young player that is sure to be a central part of the Bulls' success, especially now that his low-post offense is not needed next to Carlos Boozer (once he returns from injury). But Al Horford, despite not grabbing headlines for his hair, expressions, or penchant for the green stuff is the more complete player. He's the underrated All-Star, but an All-Star for a reason.

Posted on: November 2, 2010 11:41 am

Josh Smith could be moved? What?

 Posted by Royce Young

With time running out, the Atlanta Hawks added some more zeroes to their payroll but signing Al Horford to a five-year, $60 million extension. That's the Hawks second big contract to hand out in the past few months with the first being Joe Johnson's massive $120 million deal.

Atlanta has its core all put together and the young team is starting to come of age. Problem is, there might not be enough to go around.

Chad Ford of ESPN.com pointed out that with Johnson's big deal plus Horford's new contract, keeping those two plus Josh Smith and Marvin Williams won't be easy. In fact, it might be impossible without busting the luxury tax. If the current roster stays the way it is, Jamal Crawford is most definitely not getting re-inked to any new deal soon.

So could general manager Rick Sund be forced to move a core piece? Potentially, yes.

Ford said that Sund "flirted" with trading Smith last summer before changing his mind. He's not available now, but a good number of GMs feel he mght be for the taking at the trade deadline. Smith makes over $12.5 million in 2011-12.

The Hawks would prefer to move Williams who hasn't lived up to his draft number. Williams has struggled to find a place on the team and has shifted roles a number of times. And at $8 million per year, his contract could be nice to unload. However, Williams was reportedly shopped this summer and didn't get many bites.

Ford says the Knicks, Nets, Pistons and Suns have all shown interest in Smith in the past and could be contenders for his services at the February deadline. But would Atlanta be willing to move him if they're in the middle of the Eastern hunt? Surprisingly, yes.

Atlanta probably feels like its set to lose one of its key pieces, because of the versatility on the roster. Smith is obviously a top tier player and not someone easily replaced, but because of Smith, Horford has been playing out of position the past few years. That of course means Atlanta would need to find a new big man, but say Smith was dealt to Phoenix where he'd be a beautiful fit with Steve Nash. The Hawks could get back Robin Lopez and another player and likely be pretty happy with that.

It seems awfully bold of the Hawks to potentially move Smith, one of the league's most talented, athletic and versatile players. But in this NBA landscape where money is everything, sometimes, hands are forced. Horford got paid, Johnson got paid and as a result, the Hawks might have to trim some off the roster. It would be a shame to see and it's still a long way from happening.
Posted on: November 1, 2010 1:48 pm
Edited on: August 14, 2011 8:22 pm

Al Horford, Hawks agree to 5-year extension

The Atlanta Hawks have reportedly agreed to terms with Al Horford on a 5-year contract extension. Posted by Ben Golliveral-horford
Michael Cunningham of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports on Twitter that the Atlanta "Hawks and Al Horford agree to terms on 5 year $60 million contract extension. Incentives still to be negotiated." Marc Spears of Yahoo! Sports confirms the contract details on Twitter. Horford, 24 years of age and currently in his fourth year with the Hawks after attending the University of Florida, has established himself as a solid, talented young big man in the NBA. Taken with the No. 3 overall pick in the 2007 draft, behind Greg Oden and Kevin Durant, Horford has averaged right at nine rebounds per game during all three of his NBA seasons. He's also increased his scoring average from 10 points to 11.5 points to 14.2 points during those three years. The reported contract is similar in size to one signed earlier this fall by Horford's former teammate at Florida, Joakim Noah, who agreed with the Chicago Bulls on a 5-year, $60 million deal. Two comparable deals from last year: No. 2 overall pick in the 2006 draft, LaMarcus Aldridge ($5 years, $65 million) and No. 1 overall pick in the 2006 draft, Andrea Bargnani ($5 years, $50 million).   Ken Berger of CBSSports.com reports that Noah's deal may have influenced Atlanta's decision to extend Horford.
Horford joins only Kevin Durant and Joakim Noah among high-profile 2007 draft picks who will be getting extensions. Horford's deal marks a philosophical shift for Hawks GM Rick Sund, who has almost without exception declined to do such extensions in the past. Given uncertainty over a new collective bargaining agreement, few teams are extending their 2007 picks before the deadline. Sources say the Hawks' hand was forced by the Bulls' decision to give Noah a five-year, $60 million extension. 
Given that Horford has yet to enter his prime, has averaged nearly a double-double for three straight seasons and has missed only 17 games in three years, the deal represents great value for the Hawks. They certainly won't be panned by the critics for this one, like they were after re-signing Joe Jonson to a 6-year, $119 million extension this summer. Update: The Hawks have officially announced the deal in a press release to the media. Some quotes and notes from the release are excerpted below.
“From the moment he arrived in Atlanta, Al has been a large part of our success,” said Hawks GM Rick Sund.  “The winning tradition he brought to the franchise as a rookie out of Florida has extended to three consecutive playoff seasons in a Hawks uniform.  In addition, he was deservedly recognized as an All-Star last year, and we certainly look forward to his continued development as we move forward.” Eighth in the NBA in field goal percentage, Horford was also among the league’s leaders in rebounding (10th), offensive rebounding (tied for ninth) and blocks (26th).  He recorded a team-leading 39 double-doubles (11th in the NBA) and posted 12 20-point games and a career-high 31 on February 7 at the Los Angeles Clippers. Having reached the postseason in every one of his three seasons, he has averaged 11.5 points and 8.3 rebounds in 27 games, with a 20/10 performance in his playoff debut (the first Hawk to do so) – 20 points and 10 boards against the Boston Celtics.
Posted on: November 1, 2010 7:59 am
Edited on: August 14, 2011 8:20 pm

Shootaround 11.01.10: Kobe is healthy, got it?

Kobe Bryant says his knee is healthy, questions in Houston after a slow start, two young point guards shine on Saturday, and former all star Maurice Lucas passes away. Links from around the NBA. Posted by Ben Golliver
  • Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant says his knee is 100% healthy, but he's a little testy about it. Writes Dave McMenamin of ESPNLosAngeles.com: "Bryant told a FOX Sports West reporter during an interview shown on the Staples Center video board that he is all the way back from offseason surgery to his right knee and didn't want to be asked about it again. Bryant was later asked if his statement was accurate by reporters in the locker room and he stood by it. 'Yes, so leave me the hell alone about my [expletive] knee,' Bryant said."
  • Last week, Boson Celtics guards Delonte West and Von Wafer got into a scrap after practice. In a video posted on Boston.com, West attempts to downplay the incident. "It's not that serious. We've moved past that, you know. We're competitive guys being competitive. Hopefully, it's for the benefit of the team. There's nothing wrong with healthy competition and pushing each other to get better. But things went a little too far."
  • Washington Wizards rookie point guard went off huge against the Atlanta Hawks on Saturday. Despite the loss, CJ Hempfield of BulletsForever.com liked what he saw. "John Wall had stretches during the 3rd quarter in which he looked unstoppable. Not only was he blowing past people on 1-man breaks but he also began to blow by defenders in the half court as well as hit a jumpers. He began to show flashes of what he might become in the future and the prospects are awesome."
  • In other electric point guard news, Brandon Jennings of the Milwaukee Bucks, one of the finalists for last year's Rookie of the Year award, notched his first career triple double on Saturday. Alex Boeder of BrewHoop.com was suitably impressed. "Jennings pitched a near perfect offensive game, getting all Chris Paul on the Bobcats to the tune of 20 points, 10 rebounds, and 10 assists on 6-8 from the field, 3-3 on threes, and 6-8 from the line. He bursted with channeled enthusiasm for the game of basketball tonight, looking like the most excited guy in pregame introductions, and then directing an offense that owes him a thank you card signed by all. As a game manager, this was about as good as a 21 year-old can get."
  • Rob Mahoney takes a look at some Miami Heat numbers for the New York Times. " At first glance, turnovers would appear to be one of Miami’s most glaring flaws. James and Wade combined for an abysmal 14 turnovers against Boston on Tuesday, and James followed that sloppy performance with another nine turnovers of his own against Philadelphia. Something to note, though: Miami has been turning the ball over more often than it should, but it won the turnover battle in both games. Miami posted a lower turnover rate than both of its first two opponents (the Heat had a -3.3 turnover rate differential against the Celtics and a -3.2 differential against the 76ers), suggesting that while turnovers are a problem, they’re not necessarily the problem."
  • We noted last night that former NBA all star power forward Maurice Lucas passed away Sunday at age 58. His New York Times obituary. "Lucas was a rugged defender and an outstanding rebounder, capable of a sturdy pick and a timely basket on offense. Possessing a glare that presumably intimidated many an opposing player, he became the prototype power forward when he emerged as a star for the Trail Blazers in the late 1970s."
Posted on: October 22, 2010 1:48 pm

More on extensions for the class of 2007

Posted by Royce Young

Yeah I know. I've already gone over this. But Marc Stein of ESPN.com has some new information regarding who could be seeing a last minute contract extension before the Nov. 1 deadline.

And as was before, there may only be one player in line to join Joakim Noah and Kevin Durant with extensions and that's Al Horford. Sources maintain to Stein that a deal before the deadline remains probable, given Horford’s status as a borderline All-Star big man. Things were complicated with Joe Johnson's massive contract, but the fact Atlanta remains still on Jamal Crawford indicates they'd like to get something done with Horford.

But what about the other players? Stein says there's really nothing more than some "maybes" in that group. And that includes top pick Greg Oden. Reportedly, Oden is resigned to the fact he's not getting a deal and in fact, isn't really even asking for it. Understandable for both sides really. Oden's obviously had the health issues and both sides understand this is an important year for Oden's future not just with the Blazers, but in terms of his well-being.

How about Jeff Green, who I sort of went over already - where's he at? The Thunder have been characteristically quiet on negotiations but Stein says Green's camp and Sam Presti "aren't close" to getting anything done. However, there's been regular conversation between both sides and from I'm told, everyone is in good spirits. The Thunder are playing things carefully with Green with the new CBA coming plus Russell Westbrook's extension that's coming next summer.

Mike Conley (taken No. 4), Corey Brewer (No. 7), Rodney Stuckey (No. 15) and Aaron Brooks (No. 26) and likely looking at becoming restricted free agents as a deal probably isn't headed their way. Yi Jianlian (taken No. 6) and All Thornton (No. 14) of the Wizards have at least had negotiations but nothing appears to be coming, Stein says. However, he believes Yi may be getting an extension much like Andray Blatche's sometime soon.

Two others that are at least having discussion are Wilson Chandler (No. 23) and Jared Dudley (No. 22). Wilson's chances aren't great but Dudley, who's a quality bench player and a nice 3-point shooter, has a legitimate chance.

Overall, there's a very strong possibility only two players from 2007 will be getting extensions, with the chance of a third in Horford. And it's not like it was a bad class either. A combination of factors including injuries, team situations and the uncertainty of the new CBA have really complicated things for the class.
Posted on: October 22, 2010 12:07 pm
Edited on: October 22, 2010 12:35 pm

Friday 5 with KB: Contraction, Horford, Melo

CBSSports.com's Ken Berger discusses contraction , Denver trades, and the upcoming season.
Posted by Matt Moore

Posted by Matt Moore

Each week we'll be bringing you five questions for our own Ken Berger of CBSSports.com about the inside happenings of the league. This week, Ken talks about the contraction issues , Denver's objectives in trade talks, and what he's looking forward to this season. You can email your questions to the Friday 5 With KB at cbssportsnba@gmail.com or hit us up on Twitter at @cbssportsnba .

1. Your report on the CBA discussions sent shockwaves through the blogosphere as you reported the league is considering contraction as an option. But with small-market owners Peter Holt and Glen Taylor as powerful as they are, aren't they two guys that would deeply oppose this concept?

Ken Berger, CBSSports.com: Yes and no. In Taylor's case, I believe he'd oppose it only if his franchise were being eliminated. But business would be better for him if another struggling franchise were axed. In Holt's case, remember that the profitability challenge isn't about market size. It's about revenue. Yes, there are big and small markets, but that's not the point. The point is, there are high-revenue teams (such as the Lakers, who rake in nearly $2 million at the gate per home game) and there are low-revenue teams (such as the Grizzlies and Timberwolves, who make $300,000-$400,000). There are small-market teams that generate at or close to $1 million per home game (Oklahoma City, San Antonio, Utah), and there are teams in large metro areas that struggle (Atlanta, Washington, Philadelphia). What the league has to constantly look at is, are the low-revenue teams doing as well as they possibly can in the markets where they're doing business? If the answer is yes, there are three ways to deal with it: 1) enhance revenue sharing to the point where those teams can compete and profit; 2) relocation; or 3) contraction. No. 3 is clearly a last resort, but you'd have to be the most rose-colored-glasses type in the world not to see that the NBA would benefit immensely from getting rid of two teams. The league as a whole would be more profitable, and the product would be better.

 2. Let's turn to our best-selling show, "As Melo Turns." You reported this week that Denver's exploring a series of one-on-one deals. We have serious questions about how good of a deal this is for Denver, particularly the whole "Anderson 'Flopsy' Varejao" angle. So what positions do you think they're aiming for with these one-offs? Or is it just any upgrade they can get?

KB: Denver's top priorities remain as follows: draft picks, young players, and cap relief. In recent weeks, after the four-way fell apart, they've added something to the list: getting rid of Kenyon Martin and/or J.R. Smith in the deal. Executives familiar with their strategy say the Nuggets appear close to abandoning another component of their wish list: a veteran player who is a decent replacement for Anthony. The thought being, if you're getting worse in the short term without Melo, why not go all the way and set yourself up to rebuild the right way? Why not "be Sam Presti," as one exec put it to me. So the long answer to your question is that the Nuggets' approach is in flux on every level, but there are certain things they feel they have to get out of this: draft picks, young players, and cap relief. If they decide to go ahead and move K-Mart and J.R., and give up the notion of trying to patch the hole with, say, Andre Iguodala, they'd be in a position to get more of all three.

 3. This week you saw a big peelback of the number of technicals compared to last week. It seemed like both sides were starting to find that "middle ground" you talked about last week. Do you think this is going to be a non-issue or do you think the union really is going to get involved legally?

For once, I agree with David Stern. Cooler heads will prevail, and the union will realize that this isn't a battle they want to wage. (Better to save their time, lawyers and money for the real fight over the CBA). Stern even budged a little Thursday when he admitted that some officials have overstepped in the enforcement of the new policy, and that they'd have to adjust. So as you and I have said from the beginning, that's what's going to happen. The players will back down a little, the refs will give them a little more leash, there will be marginally more techs doled out early in the season, and then everyone will move on.

 4. Al Horford, Jamal Crawford. Clock's ticking, at least on Horford, and we don't hear anything. What's the lastest on that front?

The Hawks have until June 30 to extend Crawford, so there's no rush there -- despite Jamal's understandable desire to get it done now. But with regard to both Crawford and Horford, Hawks GM Rick Sund has a long history of not doing veteran extensions. This was his approach in Seattle with Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis, and he did the same with Mike Bibby, Marvin Williams, Zaza Pachulia and Joe Johnson in Atlanta. (Note: Johnson was the only one of those players who got a max deal from Sund.) The point is clear: If this has been your philosophy in the past, early or mid-way through collective bargaining agreements, then it will most certainly be your strategy in the last year of a CBA. You can't 100 percent rule out Horford getting an extension by the 31st, but I doubt it. Unless the Hawks are getting a home-team discount, what's the incentive for them to pay Horford now when they don't know what market value will be under the new deal?

 5. Okay, Ken, last Friday 5 before the start of the season. We know you're least looking forward to the LeBron show. But what are you most looking forward to as the season starts Tuesday?

  I'm not least looking forward to LeBron at all. I was least looking forward to "The Decision" and its aftermath. I'm very much looking forward to watching him play alongside Dwyane Wade. It will be compelling theater, everywhere they go. Aside from that, just to mention a few things on my radar: I'm interested in seeing how Kobe Bryant's knee holds up; whether Kevin Durant and the Thunder are ready to take the next step; whether Amar'e Stoudemire will bring the buzz back to Madison Square Garden; whether Dwight Howard is as determined to dominate as he says he is; my first chance to listen to Stan Van Gundy eviscerate someone in a pre-game diatribe; my next chance to hear Howard imitate Van Gundy; the first of a million times this season that Jeff Van Gundy says, "I just don't understand that;" where and when Carmelo gets traded; and LeBron's first game in Cleveland Dec. 2.
Posted on: October 18, 2010 5:06 pm

The 2007 class, the new CBA and extensions

Posted by Royce Young

There are two weeks until Nov. 1. That day doesn't mean much to most, unless it's your birthday or your anniversary (you're welcome for the reminder). But for the draft class of 2007, it's an important day. A very important day. And one that looks like it will come and go without much fanfare.

As of today, Oct. 18, only two players from the class of 2007 have received a contract extension. Kevin Durant who was given a max deal over the summer and Joakim Noah who Chicago inked to a pretty hefty contract. Other than that, no one else. The No. 1 overall pick Greg Oden? Doesn't look like he's getting paid. Other top 10 picks like Mike Conley, Jeff Green, Yi Jianlian, Brandan Wright and Corey Brewer? They probably aren't going to have anything done. Only Al Horford, who is likely to get extended by Atlanta, has a shot of doing something before Nov. 1, though David Aldridge of NBA.com says it's "50-50" at this point.

(If nothing is done by Nov. 1, then the remaining un-extended players become restricted free agents for next summer. Just in case that wasn't clear up front.)

Other than Oden who the Blazers aren't extending for obvious reasons, probably the two most interesting cases are Jeff Green of the Thunder and Aaron Brooks of the Rockets.

As for Green, Aldridge thinks that the book might not be closed on an extension for the player Thunder fans call "Uncle Jeff". In his Morning Tip column, Aldridge says, "Green could certainly argue he deserves a new deal after averaging 15.1 points and six rebounds a game last season for the emerging Thunder. And Green's agent, David Falk, has a way of persuading teams to see things his client's way, so Green's status may change by the deadline. Oklahoma City's plan has been to keep its powder dry until its young core group came on line for new deals."

The problem for Green though is his teammate. No not, that Kevin Durant guy. It's his other soon-to-be-a-star teammate, Russell Westbrook. Next summer, Westbrook is eligible for his contract extension. And much like the way the Thunder treated Durant by showing up at his door at midnight, Westbrook will likely be inked on the spot. That complicates things for Green.

Nobody really knows his true market value quite yet, just like nobody really knows exactly where he should be playing. Is he a $10 million per year player? More? Less? It's hard to say at this point. And that might be why the Thunder's likely willing to let him walk into restricted free agency. This season is big in determining that value. It's a risk for the Thunder though. There are a lot of dumb general managers out there and one is likely willing to overpay Green because he's a pretty good player playing third or maybe even fourth fiddle on a good team. Someone could very easily put $11 or $12 million a year under Green's nose.

If Green wants a lot of money, then Oklahoma City might not be able to pay him. As of now, both GM Sam Presti and Green are saying the right things. Green says he's not worried about it and that's why he has representation. He said at media day that he'll let it happen when it does. And Presti said he's had "positive discussions" with Green, but won't say anything other than that.

As for Brooks, it's already been made clear he's not likely getting extended. As the reigning Most Improved Player and a guy that's potentially a star caliber talent, he's a little miffed over it. But GM Daryl Morey doesn't want to extend Brooks for a lot of the same reasons Presti doesn't want to lock in Green. It's not to say either GM doesn't want to keep their guys, it's just that they don't want to overpay without knowing completely what they have. Plus, the looming CBA negotiations are hanging overhead and it makes it tough to just hang a big multi-year extension in front of anyone and everyone. It's fiscal responsibility, but at the same time, risky behavior because you may have to pay more to keep your man next summer. Interesting dynamic there.

With this class looking at two and probably three extensions, a small trend is developing. The 2006 class had six extensions (Andrea Bargnani, Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, Thabo Sefolosha, Renaldo Balkman, Rajon Rondo). The 2005 group had eight (Andrew Bogut, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Andrew Bynum, Danny Granger, Jason Maxiell, Francisco Garcia and Martell Webster). 2004 had six (Dwight Howard, Devin Harris, Al Jefferson, Kris Humphries, Jameer Nelson and Kevin Martin, but the all-time great class of 2003 had 15 (LeBron, Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, etc.). Either the talent has dropped a bit or GMs are just a little tighter with those extensions. It's probably a combination of both. And of course, that darn CBA.

(As an example though, out of that 2006 class, some players that got restricted free agent contracts but not extensions: Rudy Gay, Luis Scola, Ronnie Brewer and Tyrus Thomas. So just because someone isn't extended that doesn't mean they won't get paid big and/or stay with their current club.)

But then again, would you extend Thaddeus Young, Yi, Rodney Stuckey, Jared Dudley, Spencer Hawes, Rudy Fernandez, Al Thornton or Nick Young? (Interestingly, Ernie Grunfeld has the opportunity to do so on like half the 2007 class.) It's not exactly a group that screams multi-year, multi-million dollar contract.

Though it appears we may be in a new climate for contract extensions and it's something the 2008 class (Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley, Westbrook, O.J. Mayo, Kevin Love, etc.) will likely have an eye on. The new CBA will determine a lot of these players' future. So Nov. 1 will probably just have to come and go while they wait to see what happens next summer.
Posted on: October 5, 2010 11:14 am
Edited on: October 5, 2010 11:15 am

Jamal Crawford wants to stay in ATL, but will he?

Posted by Royce Young

Jamal Crawford probably isn't getting that extension from the Hawks. Doesn't mean he's not after it, but the Hawks aren't trading him and they probably aren't paying him either. So what are his options?

Become an unrestricted free agent next summer and then paid. And guess where Crawford says he wants to be? He told the Associated Press:

"What do I want? I want to be here," Crawford said at the start of the Hawks' training camp. "I love being here. I LOVE being here. I had a ball every time. I felt like I was at a concert performing every time I played here. It was just a lot of fun."

Before we go anywhere else, a concert? And Crawford also says he loved having the "ball every time." Yes, and you shot it almost every time you had it too.

But with the option to go anywhere next summer, Crawford made it clear he wants to be in Atlanta. Which is slightly odd because they haven't offered him the extension he wants and because of it, he asked for them to look into trading him to a team that would. But now, he says he wants to re-sign next summer. Interesting.

However, the Hawks appear set up to lose Crawford. Not only did they pay Joe Johnson this summer, but they drafted shooting guard Jordan Crawford, another shooting guard much in the same mold as Jamal.

Crawford understands the uncertainty the Hawks are facing because of the new CBA and also because of Al Horford's looming extension. And though he's made his desire clear to stay in Atlanta, he knows that it might not happen.

But for once in his career Crawford is on a winner where he's playing an important role. Instead of just being a gunner, he's not a gunner with a purpose. He averaged 18 points a game last season off the bench and won Sixth Man of the Year. He's playing for a team that's in the middle of the East and though he wants to get paid, his real wish is just to stay where he's at and get paid. He likes the winning and he likes his role. Remember, it's like a concert, somehow.
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