Tag:Coaches Poll
Posted on: December 14, 2011 12:24 pm
Edited on: December 14, 2011 12:27 pm
 

VIDEO: Neuheisel on the Coaches Poll



Posted by Tom Fornelli


If you've ever read our poll reactions posts here on the blog, then you know our general feelings towards the Coaches Poll. In a nutshell, we're not huge fans. So it's nice to see that former UCLA head coach Rick Neuheisel feels the same way about the poll that he was a part of himself. He confirms what one of my biggest problems with the coaches poll is.

Coaches know their teams, and the teams they play. That's it. A coach at Virginia Tech is not watching Washington unless Washington is on the schedule, so to give coaches so much power in deciding who plays for a BCS title just doesn't seem right.

As for Neuheisel's idea of having the coaches vote, but only on their conferences, it makes more sense than what is currently in place, though I'm not entirely sure how it would work.

Neuheisel also talked about Jim Mora replacing him at UCLA, which you can see here.
Posted on: December 5, 2011 5:09 pm
Edited on: December 5, 2011 5:19 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Week 14

Posted by Bryan Fischer

The latest college football polls are out and now it's time to rip them to shreds. Senior college basketball writer Gary Parrish has been calling out voters in the major hoops polls for thinking a little bit too far outside of the box when it comes to their AP ballots every week.

With the football season, I thought I'd steal take the baton on the idea from my colleague and keep all of the writers across the country who vote honest. I've come to know a good number of these people through time and twitter but relationships do not matter, bad votes do.

This is a special time of year however. The end of the regular season brings with it two things: stupid voters and full ballots in the Harris and Coaches Poll. Of course, this year things mattered more than usual with Oklahoma State trying to leap-frog Alabama and play in the national title game. Here are the polls.

AP Poll           Coaches Poll           Harris Poll           BCS

(Details of AP ballots courtesy of PollSpeak.com)

Now, this is a big job calling attention to all of the bad voters. Jerry Hinnen looked up and down the Harris Poll ballots and what he found was not good at all. Three voters ranked Oklahoma State 6th! 6th! 80-year-old and former Iowa sports information director George Wine's voting is particularly disgusting because he has Houston, coming off a 49-28 beat down to a team that lost to UAB, 5th. Read the whole post and enjoy. You can understand why some coaches like Boise State's Chris Petersen are speaking out very loudly against the BCS.

The Coaches Poll, another third of the formula that "determines" which team is better than another, is not much better. Chip Patterson investigated and it's pretty clear that not only did SIDs/football operations vote for a few of the coaches, but they didn't watch anything but a few highlights each week. Air Force coach Troy Calhoun has some explaining to do in particular. Here's all the details about the coaches (some of whom are fired, others just need to be fired from voting).

So, for the final time this year, the Poll Attacks will turn its eye on the AP voters who hopefully voted better than their counterparts in the Harris and Coaches Polls.

Hint: They didn't.

Rodney Dangerfield "No respect" team(s) of the week: Boise State

You remember that team, they play on the blue turf? They're kind of good. They beat the SEC East champ and played eight bowl-bound coaches. They have never trailed by more than seven points in four years. FOUR YEARS. Quarterback Kellen Moore is 49-3 as a starter. I get the "they didn't play anyone" arguments every critic uses but this is a good football team that probably could beat all but one or two on a neutral field.

In the coaches, Nick Saban voted the Broncos 11th, same as Steve Spurrier and James Franklin. S-E-C! They're not the worst though.

CRAIG JAMES VOTED BOISE STATE 23RD. Behind Houston, who was blown out at home. Boise beat Georgia. So yeah, don't think James will be calling any games on the blue turf in the future. Ray Fittipaldo also had the program ranked 17th. Sigh.

Overrated: Virginia Tech

  Hokies head coach (who happens to be the winningest active coach) Frank Beamer ranked his team 13th in his ballot. Now considering they were just throttled again by Clemson, it's hard to say that you can rank them above what Beamer did (and that is high considering they haven't beaten anybody). Somehow they're in the Sugar Bowl but that's an issue for another day. Anyway, John Werner, Mike DiRocco and Steve Conroy had VT 11th and Bob Asmussen, David Just, Doug Lesmerises, Jeremy Sampson, Matt McCoy, Mitch Vingle, Patrick Magee, Robert Cessna and Sal Interdonato had them 12th. Unranked is a little extreme though Desmond Conner. And an amazing seven voters had the Hokies ahead of the Tigers despite the two head-to-head wins and the ACC title.

California Craziness

A trio of voters from California (CSN Bay Area/CBSSports.com's Ray Ratto, San Jose Mercury News' Jon Wilner, LA Daily News' Scott Wolf) are an interesting voting block. Some would call them progressive, others would call them extreme and just about everybody else will call them crazy given their fluctuations in their ballots each week. All three are consistently in Pollspeak's group of "extreme voters" so we'll highlight the most baffling decision(s) out of each.

  One last time to put Wolf here before Parrish takes the baton back and puts his ballots in the basketball poll attacks. Wolf had Arkansas 4th, Georgia and South Carolina (at least in the right order) in the top 10 to make half of his top 10 from the SEC, Wisconsin the lowest out of anybody at 13th, Michigan State 20th and Virginia ranked despite being shut out by the aforementioned Virginia Tech. Not his worst ballot ever but not good.

Ratto also ranks Northern Illinois 24th and Arkansas State 25th. This is mostly an issue with NIU, Arkansas State deserves to be ranked in the 20's. Wilner cannot be serious with Michigan at 19th, lower than anybody and behind Southern Miss.

What were you thinking? Craig James, ESPN

  I just can't anymore, it's so bad.

Arkansas 4th (highest of anyone), Kansas State 6th (highest), Stanford 8th (lowest), Michigan 10th (highest), Penn State 17th (highest), Missouri 24th (highest) and West Virginia was unranked. That Big East champ who rolled up more yards on top ranked LSU, unranked.

AND BOISE STATE WAS 23RD. Sorry for yelling, had to get the point across.

Until next year.



Posted on: December 5, 2011 12:34 pm
Edited on: December 5, 2011 12:39 pm
 

How the coaches voted in the final USA Today poll

Posted by Chip Patterson

Our very own Bryan Fischer has ruthlessly picked through the weekly ballots of Associated Press poll voters all season in the new college football edition of Poll Attacks. But the 59 coaches with votes in the USA Today Top 25 are able to escape the criticism of Mr. Fischer and college football fans everywhere as their ballots are not released to the public. The one exception is the annual release after the final regular season balloting.

USA Today published an infographic that breaks down their final Top 25 poll of the regular season - used as 1/3 of the BCS formula - showing where each coach ranked the 35 teams who received at least one vote on Sunday.

I encourage you to spend some time checking out where each coach ranked the top teams in the nation, but here are a few observations that jumped out - especially considering the way things played out in the BCS.

1. No shocker at the top: LSU is the top team in the nation. The Tigers not only wrapped up their perfect season with an impressive victory over Georgia in the title game, they were a unanimous decision from the coaches for the No. 1 spot. LSU was also a unanimous pick in the Associated Press and Harris Interactive polls in their final balloting.

2. T. Boone Pickens' new enemies: After dismantling Oklahoma for their first Big 12 title in program history, Oklahoma State had the best argument of any non-SEC team for a spot in the National Championship Game. But the coach who hurt the Cowboys the most in the USA Today poll was Air Force head coach Troy Calhoun, ranking Oklahoma State behind Stanford (3) and Arkansas (4). Duke head coach David Cutcliffe and Syracuse's Doug Marrone both ranked Oklahoma State fourth, along with Nick Saban and Stanford head coach David Shaw - though those last two can easily be chalked up to self-interest.

3. About that Sugar Bowl...: When the BCS bowl pairings were released, arguably the biggest surprise came the Sugar Bowl selecting Virginia Tech and Michigan with their two at-large bids. The Hokies and Wolverines finished at No. 11 and No. 12, respectively, and were selected out of an available at-large pool that included Boise State, Kansas State, Baylor, and Oklahoma.

The Hokies were blasted 38-10 by Clemson in the ACC Championship Game. It was their second loss to the Tigers this season by 20 points or more, yet most coaches still ranked the Hokies ahead of the Tigers. Even head coach Frank Beamer put Clemson at No. 10 and his Hokies at No. 13. But enough coaches kept the Hokies high enough to allow them to finish in the top 14 and be eligible for that Sugar Bowl berth.

Michigan did not make the inaugural Big Ten title game after losing the division to Michigan State. Sparty played Wisconsin to a thrilling 42-39 loss in the Championship Game, but many of the voting coaches did feel they belonged near the magic Top 14 status needed to be eligible for a BCS at-large spot. Nineteen of the 59 voters placed Michigan State below No. 14, including three coaches (Baylor's Art Briles, Marshall's Doc Holliday, and Houston's Kevin Sumlin) who ranked the Spartans at No. 21.

4. Agree to Disagree: The one team that votes placing them all over the ballot was no-longer-undefeated Houston. The Cougars fell from their position in the Top 10 after a 49-28 blowout loss to Southern Miss in the Conference USA Championship Game. Louisiana Tech head coach Sonny Dykes and Califonia's Jeff Tedford both kept Houston in their Top 10, while James Franklin and Mark Hudspeth were among those who dropped the Cougars to the very fringe of the rankings at No. 23.

You can check out the interactive graphic breaking down the coaches' ballots at USAToday.com

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Posted on: November 28, 2011 4:49 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Week 13

Posted by Bryan Fischer

The latest college football polls are out and now it's time to rip them to shreds. Senior college basketball writer Gary Parrish has been calling out voters in the major hoops polls for thinking a little bit too far outside of the box when it comes to their AP ballots every week.

With the football season starting, I thought I'd steal take the baton on the idea from my colleague and keep all of the writers across the country who vote honest. I've come to know a good number of these people through time and twitter but relationships do not matter, bad votes do.

AP Poll           Coaches Poll           Harris Poll           BCS

(Details of AP ballots courtesy of PollSpeak.com)

Rodney Dangerfield "No respect" team(s) of the week: Everyone not in the SEC

Yeah, I said it again. Especially this week. Also note that the Pac-12 has three teams in the top 10, just as many as the SEC. Wisconsin at 15th in the AP poll also is a "no respect" team.

Overrated: Florida State

  Beating a mediocre-at-best Florida team seems to have the same effect that beating a good Florida team did. The Seminoles started the season highly ranked but have struggled most of the season in, it should be noted, a weak ACC. Also keep in mind that they just lost at home to Virginia, a team that was throttled by Virginia Tech. Maybe if they win a bowl game they can be ranked in the top 25 (coaches have them 24th, AP 25th) but not now.

California Craziness

A trio of voters from California (CSN Bay Area/CBSSports.com's Ray Ratto, San Jose Mercury News' Jon Wilner, LA Daily News' Scott Wolf) are an interesting voting block. Some would call them progressive, others would call them extreme and just about everybody else will call them crazy given their fluctuations in their ballots each week. All three are consistently in Pollspeak's group of "extreme voters" so we'll highlight the most baffling decision(s) out of each.

  Going to miss putting Wolf in this spot once the final poll comes out. He has Arkansas 3rd and Georgia 7th on top of having Clemson ranked higher than anybody at 15 and Wisconsin lower than anybody at 21. The Badgers are just one spot ahead of Georgia Tech, which shouldn't be ranked on anybody's ballot. TCU is also three spots ahead of Baylor for an odd reason.

What were you thinking? Craig James, ESPN

  I understand why the hashtag #FireCraigJames is so popular on Twitter when looking at his AP ballot: Arkansas 3rd, Kansas State 8th (ahead of Oregon), Stanford 10th, Penn State 18th (higher than anybody), Missouri 21st, Texas 22nd, Notre Dame 23rd and BOISE STATE 24TH. 

Posted on: November 28, 2011 3:22 pm
 

Pac-12 poll reactions, Week 13

Posted by Bryan Fischer

This week's polls have been released. Here's how the Pac-12 fared, from the top of the polls to the bottom, and what it means.

(AP/Coaches)

4/4. Stanford

Not much movement for the Cardinal, up one spot in the Coaches thanks to Arkansas' loss. They're pretty much 4th across the board and, though they figure to be on the outside looking in at the national title game, are assured of heading to a BCS bowl game for the second straight year. They're close enough to Oklahoma State in terms of poll points that it is possible they could wind up third depending on how things go this week.

8/7. Oregon

The Ducks are moving on up despite a ho-hum, expected, win over Oregon State. Up one spot in the AP and two in the Coaches, the expected beating of UCLA in the Pac-12 Championship game won't push them up as much as others losing will pull them up.

9/ N/A. USC

There are ways to go out and there is what USC did to crosstown rival UCLA on Saturday. Serving the final year of their bowl ban, a 50-0 shutout win to end the season in style is pretty good for the Trojans, who could end up in the top five next year if Matt Barkley returns. They moved up a spot in the AP poll and could go as high as sixth depending on how the bowl games shake out. All in all, an impressive season for Lane Kiffin.

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Posted on: November 21, 2011 5:56 pm
Edited on: November 21, 2011 6:07 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Week 12

Posted by Bryan Fischer

The latest college football polls are out and now it's time to rip them to shreds. Senior college basketball writer Gary Parrish has been calling out voters in the major hoops polls for thinking a little bit too far outside of the box when it comes to their AP ballots every week.

With the football season starting, I thought I'd steal take the baton on the idea from my colleague and keep all of the writers across the country who vote honest. I've come to know a good number of these people through time and twitter but relationships do not matter, bad votes do.

AP Poll           Coaches Poll           Harris Poll           BCS

(Details of AP ballots courtesy of PollSpeak.com)

Poll reactions: ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12, SEC

Rodney Dangerfield "No respect" team(s) of the week: Everyone not in the SEC

Yeah, I said it.

Overrated: Virginia Tech

  The coaches/SIDs have the Hokies 4th, the AP has them 6th and they're sitting pretty in the BCS ranked 5th. Everybody was touting this team as a dark horse national title contender in large part because of one thing: weak schedule. If you want to know how a team rises into the top five when their best win is Georgia Tech, you have your answer. The loss to Clemson looks even worse after seeing them humbled by N.C. State on Saturday as well.

California Craziness

A trio of voters from California (CSN Bay Area/CBSSports.com's Ray Ratto, San Jose Mercury News' Jon Wilner, LA Daily News' Scott Wolf) are an interesting voting block. Some would call them progressive, others would call them extreme and just about everybody else will call them crazy given their fluctuations in their ballots each week. All three are consistently in Pollspeak's group of "extreme voters" so we'll highlight the most baffling decision(s) out of each.

  Wilner finds his way back into this space for putting Oklahoma 8th and Houston 20th. I know the Cougars defense isn't great but they're undefeated so why 20th? Also, Boise State is 13th behind 11th ranked Kansas State. Wilner is the only voter to put Arkansas behind Oklahoma State. I know it's slim pickings but still, Oklahoma 8th?

What were you thinking? Keith Sargeant, Gannett NJ Newspapers

  There's so much wrong with Sargeant's ballot, it's hard to figure out where to begin. Houston is 4th and Georgia, yes Georgia, is 6th. He also has TCU ranked higher than anybody (10th), Penn State 13th (for beating Ohio State? Ok...) and has USC 17th and Oregon 18th, the lowest out of anybody. Notre Dame is higher than anybody at 19th and Oklahoma falls to 21st. Yikes. Also, Greg Auman of the St. Petersburg Times has Oregon ranked 4th and USC 16th. Not sure how that happened.



Posted on: November 21, 2011 2:03 pm
 

ACC poll reactions, Week 12

Posted by Chip Patterson

This week's polls have been released. Here's how the ACC fared, from the top of the polls to the bottom, and what it means.

(AP/Coaches)

6/4. Virginia Tech

Happy to see the Hokies getting some national attention in their current six-game tear, but their body of work makes the Top 5 seem a little high. Virginia Tech could be the next top five team to fall, as they have to travel to Charlottesville and beat Virginia to earn a bid to Charlotte to defend their ACC Championship. But while the ranking may seem a tad high, there is good reason for their newfound respect from the voters. Outside of the 14-10 win at Duke, Virginia Tech has been rolling through their conference schedule. Logan Thomas continues to improve at quarterback as the season winds down, and David Wilson has been raising eyebrows with his ACC-leading 131.1 yards per game on the ground.

18/17. Clemson

With an opening in the BCS top ten thanks to the upsets, Clemson really dropped the ball (literally) in their loss to NC State. The Tigers turned the ball over four times, and slept-walk through most of the first half against the Wolfpack. With superstar freshman Sammy Watkins (shoulder) on the sideline in sweats, Tajh Boyd looked elsewhere for big plays to mount a comeback. Unfortunately he looked to the other team, throwing two red zone interceptions during the second half before being replaced by Cole Stoudt. Clemson has trailed in the first half of their last three games, losing two. The Tigers face South Carolina this weekend before taking on either Virginia or Virginia Tech in the ACC Championship Game.

24/25. Virginia

The biggest surprise of the season has to be Virginia's performance in their second under Mike London. The Cavaliers were projected to finish at 4th or worst in the ACC Coastal Division, and after the gritty 14-13 upset of Florida State they are just one win away from making their first appearance in the ACC Championship Game. It was the first time Virginia has ever won in Tallahassee, and it gives Virginia a shot at their first 9-win season since 2007.

25/21. Georgia Tech

Like so many teams in the ACC, Yellow Jackets narrowly avoided an upset at the hands of Duke on Saturday. The Blue Devils caused a stir by jumping out to an early lead, falling behind, and then rallying again; but a late Sean Renfree interception and big plays from Tevin Washington kept Georgia Tech alive in their march for 10 wins. With the ACC Coastal out of reach, double-digit wins has become to new goal for the 8-3 Yellow Jackets. Next up is the annual meeting with SEC East champion Georgia, played this year at home in Bobby Dodd Stadium.

Others receiving votes:Florida State falls from the rankings, but manages to collect a single vote from the coaches after the home loss to Virginia. No other teams from the conference made a ballot in either poll.

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Posted on: November 21, 2011 1:55 pm
 

Pac-12 poll reactions, Week 12

Posted by Bryan Fischer

This week's polls have been released. Here's how the Pac-12 fared, from the top of the polls to the bottom, and what it means.

(AP/Coaches)

4/5. Stanford

Upset Saturday was the Cardinal's best friend as they rebounded from the defacto Pac-12 championship game - a loss to Oregon - to beat Cal in the annual Big Game. Thanks to losses ahead of them, Andrew Luck's squad moved up four spots in the AP to number four and up to fifth in the Coaches. Given that Virginia Tech doesn't have the strongest resume, Arkansas plays LSU and Stanford will have plenty of eyes on them with a primetime match up with Notre Dame, it's very possible this team can climb even higher after this week and into prime BCS talk.

9/9. Oregon

All things considered, falling back just five spots and likely hosting the first ever Pac-12 Championship game are two comforting thoughts for Ducks fans after the loss to USC. At this point, Oregon figures to go forward as the top two-loss team in the country and is still being given a good amount of respect after beating Stanford. The quacks out of the Pacific Northwest aren't as loud as they were last Friday but they're still audible.

10/ N/A. USC

Welcome back, welcome back. I know it's tough to think Lane Kiffin is a good coach but he is and the talented Trojans have returned to the top 10 after their big upset win over the Ducks. Eight spots seems like a big jump for a team that lost to Arizona State but really isn't when you consider the magnitude of the win in Autzen and what happened in terms of upsets.

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