Tag:Poll Reactions
Posted on: November 14, 2011 5:14 pm
 

Big Ten poll reactions, Week 11

Posted by Adam Jacobi

This week's polls have been released. Here's how the Big Ten fared, from the top of the polls to the bottom, and what it means.


(AP/Coaches)

12/12. Michigan State

Another week, another different team highest ranked in the Big Ten; this is the fourth week in a row that last week's poll leader lost a game. This isn't Sparty's first go-round leading the conference in the polls, but last time the Spartans celebrated the occasion by getting smoked by Nebraska. It's unlikely that MSU drops this week's contest to Indiana, but Tre Roberson is feisty and this is a classic trap game. Will the Losing Curse Of The Top-Ranked Big Ten Team Of The Week (really rolls off the tongue, that) hold up again? Hmmm...

15/13. Wisconsin

Don't look now, but Wisconsin's one game away out in the Leaders Division standings, and PSU still has to come to Camp Randall. That said, for as wonderfully bloodthirsty as the Badgers' 62-17 throttling of Purdue was this week, they're still a team with one big win on the year, so I can't exactly get upset about such a talented team still slumming it around 15th. Illinois should roll over for Wisconsin dutifully this weekend, but everyone's looking forward to the season finale.

17/16. Nebraska

Perhaps it was lingering disbelief over the Week 10 home loss to Northwestern, but Nebraska sure didn't get a lot of respect from pollsters for going to Happy Valley and coming away with a win. Yeah, the Nittany Lions obviously had a lot going on off the field, to say the least, but if pollsters can't look at that game for what it was -- a giant win at a one-loss, 12th-ranked team -- then that's their fault and not Nebraska's. As it stands, Nebraska's the only Big Ten team to beat either division leader, and for that the Huskers deserve something better than 17th/16th.

20/18. Michigan

Give Michigan Wisconsin's preseason hype and ranking, and the Wolverines are probably ranked about 12th right now. That would be too high, but you get a good sense of what a negative effect low preseason expectations can have on the national profile of a team, even when we're 10 games into a 12-game season. Fortunately for Michigan, there are games against Nebraska and Ohio State coming up to finish off the year; two wins, and depending on what happens above the Wolverines in the polls, and we could see a borderline Top 10 team here just yet.

21/21. Penn State

Penn State got crushed in the polls this week, which leads one to believe that pollsters had been waiting for this loss for a while now. That doesn't really seem fair (nor does the pollsters' dead-weighting of Nebraska; if they really thought Penn State was a 3-point loss to Nebraska away from being out of the Top 20, why was PSU ranked 12th after nine weeks?) The schedule doesn't get much easier, with road games against OSU and Wisconsin still yet to come. Penn State may yet salvage a Top 25 ranking by splitting the two games, but that seems like a best-case scenario regardless of whether Joe Paterno were still coaching or not; this is a tough, tough finish to the regular season.

Also receiving votes: none, not even in that infernal coaches poll 

Posted on: November 14, 2011 2:15 pm
Edited on: November 14, 2011 2:16 pm
 

SEC Poll Reactions, Week 11

Posted by Jerry Hinnen

This week's polls have been released. Here's how the SEC fared, from the top of the polls to the bottom, and what it means.

(AP/Coaches)

1/1. LSU

Thanks, TCU: thanks to the Horned Frogs ruining another Boise State dream season, the Tigers picked up the final first-place vote to become the AP's first unanimous No. 1 since Texas in October of 2008. LSU wasn't at their sharpest in beating Western Kentucky 42-9, but thanks to what still stands as the nation's best body of work by a mile, one mild off-week was never going to have any effect where the polls are concerned. Now the Tigers just have to make sure their Thanksgiving week showdown with Arkansas doesn't become what that 2008 Texas team's showdown vs. Texas Tech became.

3/3. ALABAMA

Thanks to Stanford's loss at Oregon, the Tide are now just one Oklahoma State slip-up from ascending to the No. 2 spot in both polls ... assuming the voters aren't so impressed with Oklahoma if that slip-up comes against the Sooners that OU leapfrogs the Tide. But with the Ducks still wedged between the two teams and a healthy margin between Alabama and both Oregon and Oklahoma, that seems doubtful. The vagaries of anti-rematch antipathy voting and the BCS computers means we certainly can't rule out an LSU-Oklahoma title game -- as projected by our own Jerry Palm -- but the Tide should still expect to be No. 2 in the polls if the Sooners win out.

6/6. ARKANSAS

Boise goes down, Stanford goes down, and the Hogs move two places up the conveyor belt. We're not sure they belong ahead of Clemson, since the Tigers have a pair of ranked wins over Virginia Tech and Florida State to the Razorbacks' one, but we're also not sure they belong behind Oklahoma, whose loss to Texas Tech now looks completely inexplicable. So sixth is probably just about right.



13/14. GEORGIA

Penn State's
tumble opens up room for the Bulldogs to move up a spot in both polls after their best win of the season, over Auburn. Of course, that the Dawgs' best win of the season came at home over Auburn illustrates why we're not sold on them as the No. 13 or 14 team in the country over the likes of Wisconsin, Kansas State or USC, all of whom have wins over teams still currently ranked. Or, AP voters, that South Carolina team whose biggest victory came on the road at ... Georgia.

14/13. SOUTH CAROLINA

As with last week, we're not sure Carolina belongs ahead of the rest of the poll's two-loss teams even after extending Florida's misery. But we are sure they belong ahead of Georgia, so kudos to the Coaches for getting that much right. Now if they'd just finally notice Clemson pounded Virginia Tech in Blacksburg a few weeks back, they'll be set.

And with Auburn now reduced to a handful of stray AP votes, that's it for the SEC in the poll. Five teams in the top 15 looks pretty spiffy--but that those are the only five teams anywhere near the top 25 should tell you just how top heavy the league is this season. A vintage year, this is not.

Posted on: November 14, 2011 11:56 am
 

Big 12 Poll Reactions, Week 11

Posted by Tom Fornelli

This week's polls have been released. Here's how the Big 12 fared, from the top of the polls to the bottom, and what it means.

(AP/Coaches)

2/2. Oklahoma State

Nothing changes for Oklahoma State this week as it stays at #2 in both polls. There isn't much to complain about with this ranking, though I suppose if you want to nitpick, you can mention that LSU got every single first place vote in the country. Are we really that sure that LSU is better than Oklahoma State at this point? I'm not saying LSU shouldn't be first in the rankings, as if I had a ballot they'd be first in mine, but I'm somewhat surprised that there isn't someone out there who would rank the Cowboys ahead of the Tigers. My only point is that I don't think the gap between what LSU has done this season and what Oklahoma State has done is as great as the polls seem to be making it.

5/5. Oklahoma

The Sooners receive a nice bump despite having the week off. Oklahoma moved up from 7th to 5th in both polls thanks to losses by both Boise State and Stanford. Nothing to complain about with this spot for the Sooners, though it does open some questions. Now that we have so many one-loss teams crossing their fingers and hoping they can sneak into the title game, will the Sooners jump both Oregon and Alabama in the traditional polls if it beats Oklahoma State to end the season? Both schools are ahead of the Sooners right now, which could be a roadblock for the Sooners in these polls and the BCS.

16/17. Kansas State

Kansas State didn't get much of a bump in the AP poll as it climbed only one spot to 16th, but it looks like the coaches finally noticed how this team has played since its loss against Oklahoma. The Wildcats move up from 22nd to 17th in the Coaches Poll following an exciting win over Texas A&M. I don't have any complaints about Kansas State's spot in either poll, but I do feel like if teams were ranked based on the exciting nature of their games, then Kansas State would be a lot higher. Every game this team plays seems to come down to the final quarter.

25/UR. Baylor

This is a ranking that confuses me, though not as much as Baylor being ranked 22nd in the BCS. Listen, I understand that Baylor has played one of the toughest schedules in the country this season, as have a lot of teams in the Big 12. But I also understand that in every game against strong competition -- Kansas State, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State -- Baylor has lost. In those two losses against A&M and Oklahoma State it has lost by an average of 31 points. It's strongest win is the opener against TCU, which looks better now, but other than that Baylor's best win has been 5-5 Missouri. Plus, are we going to ignore the fact that Baylor needed a 21-point comeback in the fourth quarter and overtime to beat Kansas this week? I'm sorry, but if you need overtime to beat Kansas then you shouldn't be ranked.

Others receiving votes

Texas (11 AP/27 Coaches), Missouri (0 AP/ 5 Coaches) 
Posted on: November 14, 2011 10:22 am
 

ACC poll reactions, Week 11

Posted by Chip Patterson

This week's polls have been released. Here's how the ACC fared, from the top of the polls to the bottom, and what it means.

(AP/Coaches)

7/8. Clemson

Losses to undefeated Boise State and Stanford gave the Tigers a window of opportunity to move up in the polls. However, Clemson nearly took that opportunity away from themselves with a 31-28 scare from Wake Forest in Death Valley on Saturday. The Tigers were forced to rally back from a two-score second half deficit after giving up 21 points in a five minute span during the third quarter. Wake Forest's undersized defense found ways to frustrate quarterback Tajh Boyd early, but the talented sophomore made adjustments and led two impressive fourth quarter drives - the last one resulting in Chandler Catanzaro's game-winning field goal as time expired.

9/7. Virginia Tech

Like clockwork, Frank Beamer has the Hokies competing for an ACC Coastal Division title in mid-November. With their only loss of the season coming at the hands of Clemson, Virginia Tech positions themselves for their fifth ACC Championship Game berth in seven years with a road win over Georgia Tech. The victory leaves just North Carolina and Virginia left on the schedule, with only the Cavaliers in a position to overtake the Hokies in the standings. As long as Logan Thomas and David Wilson keep moving the ball on the ground, they should find themselves with an opportunity to face the Tigers again. This time the stakes will be higher, with a bid to a BCS bowl game on the line.

23/22. Florida State

The Seminoles find themselves back in the polls after putting away in-state rival Miami for their fifth straight win. The return of quarterback EJ Manuel to the starting lineup has made everyone on the offense better, and the defense is giving up only 11.6 points per game in the winning streak. Florida State's goals of returning to the ACC Championship Game have already become unattainable, but there is plenty left for second-year head coach Jimbo Fisher to build on with the rest of this season.

OTV/23. Georgia Tech

The Yellow Jackets' hopes of making an ACC Championship Game were dashed in the loss to Virginia Tech at home on Thursday night. The Ramblin' Wreck tried to pull out the same home-cooking that stunned the Hokies two weeks earlier, but the defense had no answer for the powerful combination of Logan Thomas and David Wilson in the fourth quarter. A personal foul on Jeremiah Attaochu for a punch thrown at Thomas will end up being the play that sticks out as the game's turning point, but the Yellow Jackets need to put that game behind them and avoid slipping back into a funk. Georgia Tech has lost three of their last four, but will have opportunities to finish strong at Duke and at home against in-state rival Georgia to close the season.

Others receiving votes:Georgia Tech sits right on the outside of the AP poll, but no other ACC teams received votes from the media. Mike London's Virginia squad fell just a handful of spots outside of the Coaches' Poll, and will have a chance to gain some ground if they can win out and steal the Coastal Division.

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Posted on: November 14, 2011 12:26 am
 

Pac-12 poll reactions, Week 11

Posted by Bryan Fischer

This week's polls have been released. Here's how the Pac-12 fared, from the top of the polls to the bottom, and what it means.

(AP/Coaches)

4/4. Oregon

The Ducks secured what is likely their third straight conference title with a win on Saturday in their 19th straight Pac-12 win. As a result of throttling previously unbeaten Stanford in front of a national audience, Chip Kelly's team also moved up two spots and became the second highest one-loss team in the country. There's still a lot to play out in the regular season but Oregon has at least inserted themselves back in the BCS championship race.

8/9. Stanford

The Cardinal finally met their match and lost for the second consecutive year to Oregon, this time by a remarkably similar score as last season. Andrew Luck wasn't great, his team was even worse and big plays for the Ducks were the theme of the night. The loss cost them in the polls, dropping from third to eighth in the AP Poll and from second to ninth in the Coaches (behind Virginia Tech and Clemson from a weak ACC). There's still a chance they end up in a BCS bowl and remain in the top 10 but national title is out of the picture once again.

18/ N/A. USC

Yet another Trojans blowout, yet another miniscule bump in the polls for Lane Kiffin's squad. Historically, USC has never been this disrespected and whether that's because they're on the final year of a bowl ban and on probation or not is up for discussion. The defense has improved dramatically and Matt Barkley is starting to be someone you're hearing more and more about in the Heisman race. They have a chance to really make an impression this week against the Ducks up in Eugene but no player on the team has ever even won in the state of Oregon.

Others receiving votes: Arizona State received 7 points in the AP and 2 from the Coaches, Washington 6 in the AP, Utah 2 in the Coaches.

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Posted on: November 7, 2011 6:03 pm
Edited on: November 7, 2011 6:04 pm
 

SEC Poll Reactions, Week 10

Posted by Jerry Hinnen

This week's polls have been released. Here's how the SEC fared, from the top of the polls to the bottom, and what it means.

(AP/Coaches)

1/1. LSU

The only poll-related question following the Tigers' win in Tuscaloosa Saturday night was this: would they be unanimous No. 1's, or would there be a few stray Stanford or Oklahoma State zealots? Surprise surprise: the Bayou Bengals went 59-for-59 on first-place votes for the Coaches, but one random attention-seeking media voter went for Boise State at No. 1, keeping LSU's AP total at 59/60. We're big Boise fans around here, but there's simply no logical, reasonable explation for looking at both team's schedule's and deciding that the Broncos have done more to deserve the No. 1 spot.

(You can read our Eye on CFB Poll Attacks to find out the identity of said voter. We're not dignifying his efforts here.)

4/4. ALABAMA

The Tide can't ask for much more, can they? Not only do they still sit ahead of fellow one-loss wonders Oklahoma and Oregon (fair, considering that the Sooners lost to much weaker team and that the Ducks weren't nearly as competitive vs. LSU), but Alabama's still comfortably one spot ahead of the undefeated Broncos, too. That's more debatable, and if it ultimately comes down to picking one of these schools or the other to play LSU for a national title, we'd like to see what Boise could do. But for now, Boise's schedule is so weak -- Georgia, and then a whole lot of barely-more-than nothing -- it makes sense to have the Tide a notch ahead.

8/8. ARKANSAS

The Razorbacks' on-field play improved dramatically this week as they pulled away from one-loss South Carolina for a decisive 44-28 win, but it wasn't enough to force any change in the polls; the Hogs stayed a firm eighth behind Oklahoma. Given that the Sooners (and similar one-loss competitors Oregon) have played better football the past two weeks and now have a list of victims comparable to Arkansas's, the Hogs can't have any real gripes about staying put, though.

14/16. GEORGIA

We're not sure when beating the pants off of New Mexico State became so impressive, but apparently "when" was in fact "this week"; the Bulldogs' thrashing of the Aggies was good enough for a healthy four-spot jump in both polls. So enamored were AP voters with the UGA win that they moved the Dawgs a spot ahead of the Gamecocks--even though both teams have the same record and Carolina beat Georgia head-to-head in Athens. Usually it's the Coaches that get up to these kind of shenanigans (please note that Virginia Tech is currently ranked ahead of Clemson for no reason whatsoever), but not this week.

15/15. SOUTH CAROLINA

The past three weeks have gone like this for the Gamecocks: 1. 14 points scored in hideous win over SEC underdog 2. 14 points scored in less-hideous-but-still-pretty-ugly win over SEC underdog 3. 16-point loss at Arkansas. And the Gamecocks' home loss to Auburn is still far worse than most of the losses suffered by the glut of two-loss teams after consensus No. 12 Penn State. But then again, at Georgia is still a far better win than most of those teams have, too. So we don't know if 15 is such a terrible overranking, especially when what we do know is that if the Gamecocks are 15th, Georgia's 16th.

24/25. AUBURN

The Tigers remain the only three-loss team in either poll, showing a certain amount of respect for their rigorous schedule. But would you blame the Tigers for wondering if the gap between themselves and the Gamecocks ought to be nine slots when the Tigers have the head-to-head win in Columbia and the difference in win-loss can be chalked up exclusively to Auburn playing Clemson out-of-conference while SC was taking on East Carolina, Navy and the like? And as for why TCU is a spot above the Tigers in the coaches -- when their best win is Air Force and their losses are to Baylor and SMU -- we don't really have a clue.

Posted on: November 7, 2011 3:04 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Week 10

Posted by Bryan Fischer

The latest college football polls are out and now it's time to rip them to shreds. Senior college basketball writer Gary Parrish has been calling out voters in the major hoops polls for thinking a little bit too far outside of the box when it comes to their AP ballots every week.

With the football season starting, I thought I'd steal take the baton on the idea from my colleague and keep all of the writers across the country who vote honest. I've come to know a good number of these people through time and twitter but relationships do not matter, bad votes do.

AP Poll           Coaches Poll           Harris Poll           BCS

(Details of AP ballots courtesy of PollSpeak.com)

Poll reactions: ACC, Big East, Big TenBig 12, Pac-12

Rodney Dangerfield "No respect" team of the week: Boise State

  They don't play anybody is the familiar refrain when it comes to the Broncos but all they do win and win and win some more. They beat UNLV this week to remain undefeated ahead of their showdown against TCU. Their best win, Georgia, is set to win the SEC East and play in the SEC championship game and Boise State could have eight or more bowl teams on the schedule by the end of the year. I get that they'll always be the little guy but this year the little guy has a great team. If you can't recognize that, sorry.

Overrated: Virginia Tech

  There are plenty of overrated teams in the top 25, but Virginia Tech at #10/#9 is right up there. They moved into the spot largely by default thanks to losses ahead of them. Their schedule is weak (non-conference games against Appalachian State, East Carolina, Arkansas State, Marshall) and they struggled to beat Duke in their last game. The close win over Miami looks better in retrospect but scoring just three points on Clemson's defense at home does not. If they beat Georgia Tech they'll solidify their place in the top 15 but they really don't have a signature win and won't get one unless they beat someone in a bowl game.

California Craziness

A trio of voters from California (CSN Bay Area/CBSSports.com's Ray Ratto, San Jose Mercury News' Jon Wilner, LA Daily News' Scott Wolf) are an interesting voting block. Some would call them progressive, others would call them extreme and just about everybody else will call them crazy given their fluctuations in their ballots each week. All three are consistently in Pollspeak's group of "extreme voters" so we'll highlight the most baffling decision(s) out of each.

  Going to run into Wilner this week, might tell him how I almost put him in this section but went with Wolf instead. Why Wolf? He's the only person in the country that has Boise State #1. I like the Broncos, but there's no reason to put them as the best team in the country given what LSU has done. He also has Wisconsin unranked, Houston 19th, Auburn ranked #13 and Michigan State 12th.

What were you thinking? Desmond Conner, Hartford Courant

  The Coaches put Virginia Tech ahead of Clemson, even though the Tigers own the head-to-head win. Desmond Conner, or the 13 other AP voters who ranked the loser ahead of the winner, did the same thing. The case can't be made to rank one ahead of the other considering 1) Clemson beat Virginia Tech 2) Clemson has wins over Auburn and Florida State while Virginia Tech's best is probably over Miami. Conner managed to rank the Hokies EIGHT spots ahead of Clemson, who he had all the way down at 17th. Goodness.

Posted on: November 7, 2011 12:13 pm
 

ACC poll reactions, Week 10

Posted by Chip Patterson

This week's polls have been released. Here's how the ACC fared, from the top of the polls to the bottom, and what it means.

(AP/Coaches)

9/10. Clemson

Dabo Swinney must get his team refocused after getting their national championship dreams dashed by Georgia Tech in Atlanta on Oct. 29. With two weeks off, running back Andre Ellington - ruled out against the Yellow Jackets - should be healthy for the final stretch against Wake Forest, NC State, and South Carolina. While national ranking matters less now, the new focus is a berth to the ACC Championship Game. Clemson can clinch the ACC Atlantic Division with a win against Wake Forest on Saturday.


10/9. Virginia Tech

Despite losing to Clemson 23-3 at home earlier in the season, and barely beating Duke 14-10 in a game that featured no second-half touchdowns, the Coaches/SID's of the USA Today poll have the Hokies one spot ahead of the Tigers. Virginia Tech has improved over the course of the season, but they will need an impressive victory to look more like a Top 10 team. That opportunity will come on Thursday, as the Hokies travel to Atlanta to face Georgia Tech with the ACC Coastal Division on the line. If Frank Beamer's squad can overcome the Yellow Jackets' ground attack, that will be something the Tigers were unable to accomplish.

20/19. Georgia Tech

The ranked teams in the ACC did not compete in Week 10, yet all moved up in the polls. Getting healthier while improving in the rankings has got to be ultimate win-win for Georgia Tech. The Yellow Jackets have battled through injuries all season, and get a week off between their two biggest games on the schedule. Having already knocked off Clemson at home two weeks ago, Georgia Tech prepares to fight for a possible division title and berth to the ACC Championship Game against Virginia Tech this Thursday night.

Others receiving votes:Florida State's fourth win in a row has them sitting on the edge of the rankings in both polls. Virginia's move into bowl eligibility also has Mike London's squad getting their first significant attention from the voters, while Miami collected a few votes in the Coaches Poll following their win over Duke.

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