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Posted on: October 3, 2011 6:22 pm
Edited on: October 3, 2011 6:30 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Week 5

Posted by Bryan Fischer

The latest college football polls are out and now it's time to rip them to shreds. Senior college basketball writer Gary Parrish has been calling out voters in the major hoops polls for thinking a little bit too far outside of the box when it comes to their AP ballots every week.

With the football season starting, I thought I'd steal take the baton on the idea from my colleague and keep all of the writers across the country who vote honest. I've come to know a good number of these people through time and twitter but relationships do not matter, bad votes do.

AP Poll           Coaches Poll

(Details of AP ballots courtesy of PollSpeak.com)

Poll reactions: ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12, SEC

Rodney Dangerfield "No respect" team of the week: West Virginia

Everybody saw West Virginia up close two weeks ago when LSU came rolling into town for a big primetime match up. They also saw quarterback Geno Smith set a school record with 429 yards passing on 34 completions against one of the best defenses in the country. Sure, turnovers doomed the Mountaineers against the Tigers but they were still able to move the ball and made it a game before Morris Claiborne's kick return. This is an explosive offense and a solid enough defense that should be the leading contender to win the Big East. Yet they sit behind fellow one-loss teams Arkansas, Nebraska and Auburn. Considering that neither of those three lost to the highest ranked team in the land, WVU fans are right to be upset that they're behind them.

Overrated: Arkansas

  Top 10 teams generally don't fall into 18 point halftime deficits. One could argue that top 10 teams come back from 18 down but I think that's counterintuitive because, of course, good teams should be up by that much, not have to come back from it. The offensive and defensive lines are a mess, partly due to injury. Tyler Wilson has shown the offense hasn't really lost a step at the quarterback position and Ronnie Wingo/Broderick Green are a nice one-two punch but none of that matters. We knew the offense was going to be good. Before the season Bobby Petrino said this was his best defense he's had since becoming head coach of the Razorbacks but the Texas A&M game proved they weren't that great after allowing five touchdowns in the first half. They're a good team but ranked too high to be in the top 10 right now.

California Craziness

A trio of voters from California (CSN Bay Area/CBSSports.com's Ray Ratto, San Jose Mercury News' Jon Wilner, LA Daily News' Scott Wolf) are an interesting voting block. Some would call them progressive, others would call them extreme and just about everybody else will call them crazy given their fluctuations in their ballots each week. All three are consistently in Pollspeak's group of "extreme voters" so we'll highlight the most baffling decision(s) out of each.

For the second week in a row, Wolf occupies this spot with his ballot. He's the only one to give Boise State a number one vote and has Oklahoma ranked lower than anyone as a result. Wisconsin is the lowest out of anybody too, they're 8th despite beating Nebraska 48-17. By the way, he had ranked the Cornhuskers 5th the week before so not sure how that works; beat a team you ranked in the top five by 31 and then put them behind Oklahoma State and Clemson? One loss Baylor is ahead of Texas and even 3-2 Notre Dame is in the top 25. All told he ranked five teams higher than anybody, had undefeated Illinois behind 10+ teams with a loss, included SMU in the poll but not Texas A&M and, oh yeah, had Florida State in the top 12.

What were you thinking? One vote teams

Dear coaches: I understand why you don't reveal your ballots for the poll from week-to-week. I know because one of you gave Ohio State a top 25 vote. You obviously have not watched the Buckeyes recently, since they're 108th in total offense, 91st in scoring and 104th in sacks allowed. They had 35 yards rushing against Michigan State last week. For the AP voters, there are plenty of one-vote rebels but at least we know their names. Here they are: Joe Giglio (Tennessee), Desmond Conner (Pitt), Ira Schoffel (Cincinnati). Three people also gave Penn State votes and four gave USC votes, proving they haven't seen the Nittany Lions on offense or the Trojans on defense.

Team bias

Our tech team at CBSSports.com is pretty awesome and came up with this neat tool to take a look at team and region bias in the AP Poll. Check it out below, it's a fun thing to play around with.




Posted on: October 3, 2011 2:03 pm
Edited on: October 3, 2011 2:19 pm
 

INTERACTIVE: AP voting regional bias (Oct. 3)

Posted by Chip Patterson

The new AP rankings are out, and now it is time to see if there are any trends with the media voters across the country.

Last week in the CBSSports.com interactive analysis of regional voting bias, we were able to see voters from outside the Southeastern United States giving Clemson more credit than the voters in the Tigers' region. Interestingly enough the trend has continued after the Tigers' defeat of Virginia Tech in Blacksburg. Voters in California, Wyoming, Iowa, Idaho, and Arizona are averaging a top 5 position for Clemson, currently ranked at No. 8.

One of the many observations from this week's voting distribution is the placement of No. 7 Stanford. With their late start against UCLA (10:15 PM ET), you would figure that the East Coast voters would have missed the opportunity to see the Cardinal slowly and methodically pick the Bruins apart for their seventh straight win by 26 or more points. But the distribution of the Stanford votes on the map shows most of the states ranking the Cardinal below No. 7 in their ballots are in the Mountain or Pacific time zone, making it highly unlikely they missed Saturday's late night treat.

What does that say about Stanford's squad? With no regional bias in their favor, does it mean the Cardinal are overrated, or is it just jealousy from their neighbors? Take some time to explore our interactive graphic below, and give us your opinion in the comment section.

Click here to check out Brett McMurphy's AP ballot or you can take a look at Dennis Dodd's Power Poll here.



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Posted on: October 2, 2011 5:12 pm
Edited on: October 4, 2011 2:24 am
 

Pac-12 poll reactions, Week 5

Posted by Bryan Fischer

This week's polls have been released. Here's how the Pac-12 fared, from the top of the polls to the bottom, and what it means.

(AP/Coaches)

7/4. Stanford

If there's one team in the top 10 that has seen some movement, it's Stanford. The Cardinal have not been moving four or five spots but they have been going up and down the poll by a spot or two every week. They moved down a spot in the AP poll behind Oklahoma State despite the fact that the Cowboys were off and Stanford rolled UCLA 45-19. It's not all bad, they did move up a spot in the Coaches Poll to 4th but will have to hold off a charge from Wisconsin next week. Interesting to see the three spot difference in the polls.

9/9. Oregon

The Ducks were off but they were movers in the polls, sliding into the top 10 at 9th in each. There's not much to say about Oregon this week other than the fact that LSU continuing to win is probably good for them. Up next is Cal at home - a team that has given them trouble in the past - and a big showdown against Arizona State. Chip Kelly's squad should continue to move up as the top one-loss team as others in front of them lose or play each other.

22/24. Arizona State

It wasn't the first half Dennis Erickson would have liked but Arizona State managed to get another win over Oregon State and move into the top 25 of both polls. It appears ASU has the Pac-12 South division title wrapped up after beating USC last week and with Utah losing another conference game but then again, you never know. They'll hit the road this week to play the Utes before their big showdown in Eugene against Oregon after that in what could be a preview of the Pac-12 Championship game.

Others receiving votes: Washington (37 points AP/30 Coaches), USC (7 AP)

Posted on: September 26, 2011 5:29 pm
Edited on: September 26, 2011 5:34 pm
 

Big Ten poll reactions, Week 4

Posted by Adam Jacobi

This week's polls have been released. Here's how the Big Ten fared, from the top of the polls to the bottom, and what it means.

(AP/Coaches)

7/7. Wisconsin

I've said for the entire year that Wisconsin's closer to fourth or fifth in terms of talent and play quality, and there's nothing the Badgers have done to indicate that they're not one of the five best teams in the nation. Unfortunately, the Badgers have also played noooobody, especially compared to the six teams ranked above the Badgers, so I can't muster up any disapproval of Wisconsin sitting at seventh in both polls. Fortunately, the non-conference slate is over, and Wisconsin's playing a real opponent this week. Finally.

8/8. Nebraska

Hey, there's Wisconsin's conference opener right there, Nebraska! Nebraska's now only one spot behind Wisconsin, which if you've actually seen both teams play this year, is preposterous. The Huskers' trip to Madison is, I suspect, going to push both teams back toward where I think they both belong--mainly, Wisconsin at 5, and Nebraska at 15. So if Wisconsin wins by two scores, like I'm predicting, I don't think Nebraska falls very far in my rankings. That's what the 15th best team ought to do in a road game at the fifth best team, isn't it? Of course, in Win Go Up Lose Go Down Poll World, Nebraska's about to tumble, but that just seems like a correction that I don't need to make on my end. And yes, Sensitive Nebraska Fan, I am totally biased against your team now and forever, even while I still think the Huskers win the division title. Whatever you need to sleep at night.

19/19. Michigan

Michigan as the third-highest ranked team in the Big Ten? Shows you what going 4-0 gets you, I suppose. This is higher than I have Michigan, although not by as much as before, and as long as Denard Robinson remains bulletproof things will continue to improve in Ann Arbor. It's just, jeez, that last half of the schedule might mean a 1-5 finish for the Maize and Blue. I'm letting it affect my voting habits for Michigan. I shouldn't yet. Punish the teams the losses they have and not the ones that loom, right? Right. So I suppose No. 19 is fine -- for now.

24/22. Illinois

This ranking is about right. Illinois continues its unlikely unbeaten spree and will probably do so until at least October 15 when it hosts Ohio State. But honestly, that's going to be like a late-oughts Boise State 6-0: One tough opponent, and the rest a set of cupcakes that all but the worst BCS conference teams could go 5-0 against. And yet no matter how many qualifiers you attach to it, unbeaten is still unbeaten, and that puts Illinois on a higher level than 8 of their conference mates so far. Borderline Top 25 works for Illinois until the Ohio State game; that's when their conference season really kicks off.

NR/25. Michigan State

Sure, the Spartans slaughtered Central Michigan. I still don't trust that rushing attack after how well Notre Dame shut it down, and I won't trust it until MSU runs on a real defense. Sayyy, Michigan State goes to Ohio State this week! Show me something good, Sparty, and I'll be happy to return MSU to my Top 25 at once.

Also receiving votes: Michigan State (51 AP votes), Ohio State (15 AP votes, 61 coaches votes), Penn State (12 AP votes, 34 coaches votes), Northwestern (5 coaches votes) (what seriously oh god why)
Posted on: September 26, 2011 3:04 pm
Edited on: September 26, 2011 3:38 pm
 

Pac-12 poll reactions, Week 4

Posted by Bryan Fischer

This week's polls have been released. Here's how the Pac-12 fared, from the top of the polls to its bottom, and what it means.

(AP/Coaches)

6/5. Stanford

The Cardinal were off this past weekend as they rest up for Pac-12 play and figure out how to replace starting linebacker Shayne Skov, who was lost for the season. Stanford appears to ease into conference play with a home game against UCLA before Colorado comes into Palo Alto. Despite the bye, they actually leapfrogged Boise State in Coaches Poll, which is pretty interesting/bad voting on the coaches' part.

12/14. Oregon

Nothing like a late-night blow out vs. Arizona to bump the Ducks up in the polls (some losses to teams ahead of them helped too). LaMichael James' school-record breaking rushing performance will likely help Oregon get more positive attention nationally as well. They moved up four spots in the AP Poll and three in the Coaches'.

25/NR. Arizona State

Dennis Erickson's squad is back in the AP top 25 after dropping out briefly following their loss to Illinois. A thumping of USC to give the Sun Devils their first win over the Trojans since 1999 will tend to do that. The coaches are not as thrilled with their play as voters are, keeping them behind Houston and Ohio State in the "Others receiving votes" category. They'll play lowly Oregon State at home this week, so they should rise with another win and several teams in front of them losing.

Others receiving votes: Utah (12 points in the AP poll/11 Coaches), Washington (4 AP/3 Coaches), USC (2 AP)


Posted on: September 26, 2011 12:37 pm
Edited on: September 26, 2011 1:07 pm
 

INTERACTIVE: AP voting regional bias

Posted by Chip Patterson

Ever wonder how regional biases might affect the voting in the weekly AP poll? The results may surprise you.

In the interactive chart below, you can see how voters in different states have ranked each team in this week's AP Top 25. While there are certain predictable trends with many of the top teams, other trends seem to contradict the idea of regional bias. Clemson, for example, is overrated (being ranked higher than their AP poll position) in states on the opposite side of the country. Many of the southeastern states actually have then underrated (ranked lower than their AP position).

Spend some time with our new tool, checking out different teams and conferences.  See something that stands out to you?  Let us know in the comment section below.

You can see how Brett McMurphy voted in this week's AP poll and check out the complete AP and Coaches polls.



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Posted on: September 19, 2011 8:12 pm
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The Poll Attacks: Week 4

Posted by Bryan Fischer

The latest college football polls are out and now it's time to rip them to shreds. Senior college basketball writer Gary Parrish has been calling out voters in the major hoops polls for thinking a little bit too far outside of the box when it comes to their AP ballots every week.

With the football season starting, I thought I'd steal take the baton on the idea from my colleague and keep all of the writers across the country who vote honest. I've come to know a good number of these people through time and twitter but relationships do not matter, bad votes do.

AP Poll           Coaches Poll

(Details of AP ballots courtesy of PollSpeak.com)

Poll reactions: ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12, SEC

Rodney Dangerfield "No respect" team of the week: Illinois

The fighting Zookers are 24th in the AP Poll and unranked in the coaches this week after beating a solid Arizona State team that was ranked last week. The Illini have a very favorable schedule, perhaps the easiest in the Big Ten and plenty of solid young players on both sides of the ball. They have two good coaches in offensive coordinator Paul Petrino and defensive coordinator Vic Koenning who have made a world of difference and should be higher based on what they showed against a good team last Saturday.

Overrated: Texas, Florida

Let's face it, there are a lot of voters who want Texas and Florida to be good. They're national powers with big fan bases, they've been very good in the past and it is much easier to rank teams knowing the Longhorns and Gators are somewhere in the top 10. When it comes to Florida, they've really only played one game - a win against a shaky Tennessee team - and have never left the cozy confines of The Swamp. They have a whole new staff and a team full of players we're really not sure of outside of Jeff Demps or Chris Rainey. They're ranked 15th right now which is just ok but for the 10 voters who had them in your top 12, shame on you. And Doug Lesmerises of the Cleveland Plain Dealer? 8th, really? A Florida team who blew out FAU and beat Tennessee is the 8th best in the country?

Finally, Texas. Kudos for Andy Staples of SI.com for leaving the Longhorns off his ballot completely and justifying it. Of their wins, UCLA is terrible, BYU got killed at home by Utah and Rice is, well, Rice. And that game was on The Longhorn Network so you know something was up. If you look at the ballots you'll also find a familiar name with Texas higher than anyone at 13th: Doug Lesmerises. I know it's not fun to cover Ohio State nowadays but don't punish the rest of the teams around the country by keeping UT and UF ranked high.

California Craziness

A trio of voters from California (CSN Bay Area/CBSSports.com's Ray Ratto, San Jose Mercury News' Jon Wilner, LA Daily News' Scott Wolf) are an interesting voting block. Some would call them progressive, others would call them extreme and just about everybody else will call them crazy given their fluctuations in their ballots each week. All three are consistently in Pollspeak's group of "extreme voters" so we'll highlight the most baffling decision(s) out of each.

My man Wilner finds himself in this space once again as Wolf must be doing just enough to have been the only one of the trio to not make an appearance. He has both USC's ranked higher than anyone with the eastern version fifth and the western version 14th. Georgia and Mississippi State are somehow still on his ballot ahead of Virginia Tech, Baylor and Arkansas. Yes, really. I swear Jon has been working too hard on the realignment mess to actually watch any games. Actually, I hope that's the case because he's a nice guy but a terrible, terrible voter.

What were you thinking? Ohio State

On Saturday, I witnessed first hand how terrible Ohio State was when they played Miami. The Buckeyes looked a step slower than the Hurricanes, turned the ball over, couldn't complete a pass to save their life and never did find a quarterback. Not a bad performance, an awful one. Yet somehow, seven voters decided to put Ohio State ahead of Miami on their ballots despite the head-to-head match up. I understand Ira Schoffel works in Tallahassee but come on.

Team bias

Our tech team at CBSSports.com is pretty awesome and came up with this neat tool to take a look at team and region bias in the AP Poll. Check it out below, it's a fun thing to play around with.




 
 
 
 
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