Tag:Fantasy Football
Posted on: April 14, 2008 3:44 pm

The schedule is coming! The schedule is coming!

Unless you've been living under a rock for the last, uh, six hours, the 2008 NFL regular-season schedule is coming out on April 15.

You may already be familiar with WHO your favorite team plays, but WHEN they play them is of major significance ... and, like anything else, it impacts Fantasy Football.

One of our "busts" last year was Larry Johnson. Part of the reason why is because his first five games were against the Texans (in Houston), the Bears (in Chicago), the Vikings (at home), the Chargers (in San Diego) and the Jaguars (at home). The Bengals were next in Week 6 and the Raiders in Week 7 (at home and in Oakland) before a bye in Week 8.

So feasibly, Johnson was expected to deliver two strong performances (three if you count Houston on Kickoff Weekend, which we didn't) behind a suspect offensive line in the first eight Fantasy games of the season.

It's important that you look for these factors when examining a schedule:

1. Does any team play three straight games on the road, or three straight games at home?
2. Which teams have an early bye? Which teams have a late bye?
3. Which teams play two games in seven days the most (most Monday night games followed by Sunday games, notably Sunday afternoon games)?
4. Which West-Coast teams play the most 1 p.m. ET games?
5. Which teams have rough stretches of 3+ games against teams expected to be strong?

And most importantly ...

6. Which teams have a difficult schedule right out of the gate?

We'll answer those questions this week.
Category: NFL
Posted on: April 8, 2008 2:05 pm
Edited on: April 8, 2008 2:14 pm

Projecting Vince Young

Not by popular demand, I am going to break down how I arrived at Vince Young's Fantasy projection here on CBSSports.com. Earlier on, I broke down Laurence Maroney. Since then I've had requests for Eli Manning. He's next up on the blog.

But I do quarterbacks differently than other positions, because I think it's the receivers that make the QB position what it is. So in my first batch of projections, I make the total passing yardage equal the total receiving yardage from all the receivers on the team. I know it doesn;'t work out that way in NFL stat sheets, but it's just a first draft.

So in essence, when I project Vince Young's stats, I project the Titans' receiving corps. The biggest change in Tennessee's pass game is the addition of TE Alge Crumpler, who made his bones catching short- and medium-range tosses from Michael Vick for years in Atlanta. A substantial amount of Crumpler's catches came on broken-down plays and check-down plays thanks to Vick either passing on or missing his first read. Vince Young doesn't miss many of his reads but will find it too easy to hit his new tight end for first downs. Last year, Tennessee's tight ends caught 63 passes and 51 the year before. Young will like having Crumpler around, and Fantasy owners should see a benefit in Young's stat line.

Past Crumpler, who's left? Justin Gage had a breakout 55-catch season, but I'm not sure he could do it again although he does have monster size and big hands. Roydell Williams had a couple of nice games but was too inconsistent Fantasywise. He'll still contribute to VY's bottom line. And Justin McCareins is back in Tennessee, but should be in more of a supporting role (unless the Titans bump Roydell to the slot and McCareins to the starting lineup, which might end up happening. That trio should be good for just more than double what Crumpler will give Young.

Throw in about a dozen receptions each for LenDale White and Chris Henry and some catches for the supporting staff in Tennessee (they've got some WR depth with second-year receivers Paul Williams and Chris Davis in addition to on-their-way-out guys like Brandon Jones and Mike Williams) and you end up with Tennessee's skill-position players totaling 283 receptions. By the virtue of my yardage projections, that pushes them to 3,301 yards, and I have them earmarked for 17 passing touchdowns (five for Crumpler to lead the team).

A lot of people will look at that number and say "There's no way Vince Young is a 3,000-yard passer," but I'm telling you that you cannot discount Alge Crumpler's presence and how he'll open things up for Young, way more than Bo Scaife and Ben Troupe did for him in years past. Even with modest numbers from Gage, Williams and McCareins, Young can get there (I have that trio totaling just over 1,500 yards).

But here's the catch ... Young is no lock to make 16 games. He hasn't in two seasons, so those 3,301 yards won't all be his. Kerry Collins will get a cut, too. Additionally, Tennessee's offensive line has taken a hit this offseason, losing guard Benji Olson to retirement and guard Jacob Bell to the Rams. Jake Scott will replace Bell at right guard, but the Titans have fourth-round pick Leroy Harris penciled in at left guard. It's not a bad offensive line, but it has its weaknesses, and teams will attack them.

Ultimately, I have Young getting 15 starts in 15 games with 246-of-409 passing for 2,928 yards and 15 touchdowns (all career-highs for Young) with 15 interceptions. So yes, I am saying Young will have a "career year" passing ... but it doesn't mean a monster season.

What about the rushing?

With the passing game improved, Young might not run as much as he has in the past. He actually tried running more last season but got fewer yards, a sign that opposing defenses have a much better handle of him now than when he was a rookie. As an example, the AFC South did a good job containing Young last season on the ground (just one rushing TD in those five games). Additionally, Young did not play well against 3-4 defenses last season; he has four rivals this year that line up in the 3-4 (including Baltimore and Pittsburgh) and also faces the tough run defenses of the NFC North.

I expect Young to still post nice rushing numbers for a quarterback, but not what you might hope for. I've got him running 67 times (an average of 4.5 carries per game) for just 271 yards (just a smidge over 4.00 yards per carry) and three touchdowns on the ground. Suffice to say, Tennessee will be glad to have added Crumpler just so there's one more option for Young to look at before taking off.

I've got Young as a No. 2 Fantasy QB, and these numbers might push him out of the "platoonable QB" territory.

What are your predictions for Mr. Young in 2008? Let me know by responding to this blog.
Posted on: April 2, 2008 3:57 pm

Projecting Laurence Maroney

One of the aspects of this site that I am most proud to create are the projections we offer Fantasy owners every summer. Usually Jamey Eisenberg and I split the NFL duties 50-50, but he's got bigger fish to fry than doing projections, and I am more than happy to take them over entirely. The mere fact that I am excited about this might make me a complete geek in the eyes of many (including my managing editor), but it also gives me a huge head start on what I think we can expect to see in the NFL.

I thought I would share my projections for a player -- and how I do them -- with you guys. And I am picking Laurence Maroney as the player we'll focus on.

Maroney is a guy we debate about a lot here in the office. When he's not looking at baseball stat sheets, Eric Mack sings Maroney's praises. At lunch yesterday, he admitted he thinks Maroney will get at least 12 touchdowns in 2008 (nevermind the fact that Maroney has 13 regular season TDs in two seasons). Jamey likes Maroney a lot too. I've been a huge Maroney supporter since his last year at Minnesota, but I cite his inconsistent workload as a H-U-G-E red flag that should keep Fantasy owners from drafting him as anything more than a No. 3 RB.

So let's see if a rational expectation supports that stature ...

First, let's get an idea on how many games he'll play. As a rookie in '06 he had 14 games; 13 last year. Health is an issue for Maroney, obviously, and that's a big reason why the Patriots won't run him 20 times a game week in and week out. Saying he'll make 14 games is a safe assumption.

Maroney only started six games last year: Two in the first three weeks, one in late October and three late in the year. That's surprising. And although games started doesn't get you Fantasy points, the reality is either that SOMEONE ELSE is starting those games and getting reps, or that the Patriots' first play didn't involve the running back. Because this number isn't terribly important, let's say Maroney starts eight games.

FUMBLES: Maroney's had one in two seasons, a by-product of touching the ball 180 times a season. Chances are he'll have one or two anyway. Comes with the territory. Hard to predict a starting RB won't fumble.

Now things get tricky. The Patriots are mum on all their gameplanning info, even in the offseason. Will they continue to throw the ball at will like they did in 2007, or will they revert to their running game like they did late last season?

I may not be Bill Belichick, but I do wear a grey sweatshirt from time to time. If I'm plotting out the Patriots offense, I don't stop using my strengths, particularly with the rest of my division, and the NFL in general, short on cornerback talent. Tom Brady is more than capable of getting the ball to Randy Moss, Wes Welker and whomever else is out there with waiting hands. Why not keep sending them darts?

So Maroney's days of getting 20+plus touches are limited, but not impossible. He had four 20-carry games last year including the playoffs, including in Week 15 vs. the Jets in a snowstorm that cost many Tom Brady owners (including me) a playoff loss. He didn't have any in 2006. Of course, he had just 14 reps in Super Bowl XLII ... coincidence that the Pats lost?

Now then ... teams that New England plays with lesser pass defenses: Miami, Arizona, San Francisco, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Arizona, Kansas City

Teams that New England plays with good pass defenses: Oakland (away), Denver (home), San Diego (away), Seattle

Team that New England will beat up on whether their pass defense is good or not: Anyone in the AFC East.

But the teams expected to have BAD run defenses: Miami (x2), Jets (x2), Kansas City, St. Louis and Denver. I'll give Oakland a pass because the game is on the road and they could actually have one of the toughest defenses in the league next season. So there's seven games where the Patriots could be expected to lean on Maroney more than normal.

I'll be bold and say Maroney gets at least 20 carries in four of those games, and an average of 17 carries in those seven. 17 times 7 = 119 carries in those seven games.

What about the other nine? Let's take Maroney's average carries in games last year he DID NOT get 17 carries, including Super Bowl XLII. That total? 11.22. I'll be generous and round that up to 12. 12 times 9 = 108 carries.

BUT WAIT! We have already deduced that Maroney can't make 16 games. Which two games will he miss? I don't know, but for the sake of variance, let's just remove one 12-carry average game and one 17-carry average game.

Math time ...

17 x 6 = 102
12 x 8 =  96


So that's settled. Now let's consider his rushing average.

In 2006, he averaged 4.3 yards on 175 carries. Last year he did better -- 4.5 yards -- on 185 carries.

Last year, Maroney was two yards per carry better on grass than artificial turf. That's big. He was nearly that much better at home than on the road, too. (FYI, the Pats play on grass and Maroney suited up for seven home games).

In 2008, Maroney will play eight home games (duh) and 12 games on grass (health permitting). Hoo-hah. The four road games: Miami, San Diego, San Francisco and Oakland. Maybe I should hold off on stiffing Maroney's numbers against the Raiders ...

Long story short, there's plenty of evidence that Maroney can match that 4.5 average.

4.5 average x 198 carries = 891 yards.

Now the touchdowns. Maroney had six scores in each of his previous two seasons and three last preseason. Of the six regular-season touchdowns last year, four came late in the last three weeks of the season. THAT is a scary thing to digest. You have to figure that Maroney can match those six touchdowns ... maybe go seven because of the multiple games on grass or vs. softer run defenses. But we can assume that games against the Steelers, Colts, Chargers, Seahawks and maybe even the Cardinals (!!) will be tough for Maroney.

Passing game ... Maroney took a real back seat last season because Brady found other people to get the ball to (Welker took plenty of catches away from the running backs thanks to his short inside routes). He'll see more receptions, but not many more than the four he had in 2007 (none late in the season -- but five in the postseason!).

Final adjustments: Giving Maroney around 210 touches in the Patriots offense seems reasonable. It's true that the Patriots rode Maroney to their late-season success, and maybe that will come into play a little bit more earlier this season as the Pats realize they can't just pass willy-nilly again (can they?).

Final projection: 14 games, 8 starts; 198 carries, 891 yards, seven touchdowns, one fumble; 14 receptions, 133 yards.

Good enough to be a No. 3 Fantasy RB? Certainly. A No. 1 or No. 2? Not so much.

Now it's your turn: What do YOU think Maroney will do in 2008? Take a shot at projecting his numbers by posting in the comment board below. Any legit, rational argument will be considered, and the input could shape his projections in 2008 when we tweak them after the NFL draft.

Posted on: March 25, 2008 3:35 pm

First Day Back From First Offseason Vaca

I'm back in the office today following a six-day visit to Houston, where the fans are RABID about the Texans in 2008.

While I like the Texans a lot, I'd like them better if they were in any other division in football. Because of the strength of the AFC South, it's going to be really hard for Houston to win the division, much less win more than eight games. I think they're going to have to take five-of-six division contests to take the South and play in January. They've done well against Jacksonville in the past but not so much the Colts or Titans. That's got to turn around. Houston knows it -- the rest of their schedule is almost immaterial.

We have new rankings up. As I've been doing all offseason long, here's a look at why who has gone where. You can find the positional rankings here: http://cbs.sportsline.com/fantasy/f
and the top 200 here: http://www.sportsline.com/fantasy/f
. If you like this feature, or have a suggestion on how to improve it, please leave a comment below or email me at: dmfantasyfootball@cbs.com.

The only real change is Brandon Marshall, who cut up his arm in a home accident (a McDonald's bag was reportedly involved) He's slipped out of the Top 15 among receivers and almost the Top 50 overall but is still a No. 2 Fantasy WR on the assumption that he won't have any complications from his injury.

One more: Jason Elam signing with Atlanta. Do not be fooled by Elam's name value and draft him in 2008. Even though he'll play at least nine games in a dome, he's on a team with a lot of problems offensively. I would not expect the normal high output of points from Elam, though he could end up being Atlanta's highest scorer this season (will he score twice as many field goals as Michael Turner runs for?). I wouldn't draft him in a standard 12-teamer.
Posted on: March 12, 2008 5:10 pm

Who Wants To Trade For Shaun Alexander?

We're at the point now where it's painfully clear that Shaun Alexander's days as a Seahawk are over. Sometime between now and August, he's going to get either traded or cut.

And while I expected many NFL pundits to throw their arms in the air and exclaim "Alexander's done!!" the reality is that many very educated football people have said publicly and privately that Alexander still has a year left in the tank.

If you subscribe to the theory we've come up with that running backs decline after the equivalent of eight full seasons of work (or about 2,600 carries), then you'd agree that Alexander does have a year left. Shaun has 2,176 carries over his career with about the equivalent of seven full seasons under his belt.

Now, if you subscribe to the theory that age is strictly the issue with running backs, then you'd say he's done.

Suffice to say, we think he has one year left. And with lots of other NFL folks saying so, chances are teams think so too.

So now Seattle finds themselves with a player they won't pay. Rather than feed him a huge salary, they'll cut him and not owe him much. However, if a team came along and offered Shaun Alexander a nice contract with a big offensive role and some guaranteed cash and some good incentives, he'd probably take it rather than go on the free-agent market. And Seattle would be fine with that because then they'd get something for Shaun Alexander.

With that in mind, here's a list of NFL teams that might be willing to offer Alexander a new, decent deal (at least $2M) and Seattle a draft pick or a player.

CAROLINA: Alexander could pair with DeAngelo Williams and make for a pair of 12-carry guys. The Panthers have a good O-line to aid Alexander, too. I doubt they'd give anything more than a 7.

The Bears would give Cedric Benson some competition (with a rookie taken in Round 3 to be thrown into the fray as well). The ears have dealt with Seattle before; surely they'd part with a 6.

CINCINNATI: Hometown team for Alexander and a good stop-gap RB option with Rudi Johnson with seemingly less in the tank than Alexander even though he hasn't had as many reps. Cincy could pay a 6.

DALLAS: Could be the one-year replacement for Julius Jones, and it would mean Dallas wouldn't have to spend a top pick on a running back. They might only offer a 7, though, they're not as desperate.

DETROIT: Fantasy owners should hope this happens. The Lions need someone to be the plowhorse in their new RB-heavy offense. Detroit could spend a 5 for him -- they need a good RB that bad.

HOUSTON: Could definitely use him and offer up a player to pad Seattle's depth or a pick, perhaps a 6.
Category: NFL
Posted on: March 11, 2008 4:16 pm
Edited on: March 11, 2008 5:14 pm

Mock Update, Rankings Update

Our SECOND Fantasy mock draft of the offseason is several rounds deep and full of surprises. Just goes to show you that even an expert draft has a few curveballs. If you'd like to follow it, you may do so here: www.sportsline.com/nfl/fantasy/stor

Going over my picks ...

ROUND 2: Earnest Graham

I was hoping for either Marshawn Lynch, Ryan Grant or Willis McGahee here -- any of those three would be fabulous second-round picks, but Graham was a no-brainer for me. As many of you know, I've just finished a study on him and Ryan Grant (the article is forthcoming) and how they stack up on their teams, in Fantasy Football and overall in the history of undrafted running backs. I learned a lot about Graham, and I'm probably going to target him as my No. 2 RB in several leagues this year. The only hole I found in his game was his efforts at Raymond James Stadium. Otherwise, he's about as solid as you'll get with a middle-to-late second-round pick. Darren McFadden crossed my mind, but he's going to either be a Jet or a Raider, and I don't love him in either spot. Reggie Bush is a gimmicky-type player who I'm trying to avoid, and Brandon Jacobs, as good of a player as he is, isn't a lock for 16 weeks, which means I would have to spend another pick on Ahmad Bradshaw later on. Graham is in the same mold as Jacobs without the wear-and-tear, or the overwhelming need to handcuff him.

ROUND 3: Andre Johnson

I love Johnson for 2008, especially since he's spending much of the offseason refining his game and not rehabbing injuries. I really, really wanted Larry Fitzgerald (who might end up being a top-three WR before this offseason is through), but it looks like if you don't pick in the top 30 overall, you don't get him. It was a close call between Johnson and Marques Colston, but I've picked Colston in this spot before and felt that Johnson would give me just as good production. Maybe Johnson is a smidge more injury prone. If this were a for-keeps league, I might have gone Colston. Dang it, now I have drafter's remorse. And it's MARCH. I have some problems.

ROUND 4: Wes Welker

In the past, I'd grab my third running back here, but with the 2008 draft class of RBs deep, and plenty of decent runners left on the board, my philosophy is changing. Welker fell into my lap here, picked behind the likes of Brandon Marshall and Edgerrin James. Plaxico Burress was the only other name I was considering, and when I thought about how he played while hurt last year, I didn't think twice.


If there's one thing I've caught on to, it's that there are going to be a LOT of "GOOD" running backs to pick from this year. About six will be drafted, and I'd guess another 15-to-20 are already in the NFL. By good, I mean No. 3-type runners. That said, I think the right focus in 2008 is to spend your top two picks on RBs, then raid wide receivers until the talent pool gets shallow. Then, raid the running backs and platoon at quarterback, likely with whomever slips to Round 8 or 9.

The rankings have been updated. As I've been doing all offseason long, here's a look at why who has gone where. You can find the positional rankings here: http://cbs.sportsline.com/fantasy/f
and the top 200 here: http://www.sportsline.com/fantasy/f
. If you like this feature, or have a suggestion on how to improve it, please leave a comment below or email me at: dmfantasyfootball@cbs.com.

Shaun Alexander's slide continues. With Julius Jones signing in Seattle, the writing appears to be on the wall that Alexander's days there are over. Without question, his days as an every-down back in Seattle are over. Why else would Jones have signed otherwise? We're expecting Jones to start with Maurice Morris and T.J. Duckett aiding him along the way. Jones should post his best numbers in two seasons and should make the jump to low-end No. 2/top-end No. 3 Fantasy RB before this offseason ends.

Minor stuff: Adjustments/corrections made for Torry Holt and Ron Dayne. ... D.J. Hackett slides since he's not going to be in a big role next season.


1. Detroit
2. Houston
3. Chicago
4. Carolina
5. Dallas

Posted on: March 3, 2008 4:27 pm


Busy day as it pertains to free agency. Busy weekend, too. Obviously, our rankings have changed a little bit.

As I've been doing all offseason long, here's a look at why who has gone where in our Fantasy Football Player Rankings. You can find the positional rankings here: http://cbs.sportsline.com/fantasy/f
and the top 200 here: http://www.sportsline.com/fantasy/f

Michael Turner picks Atlanta as his new home. Actually, Atlanta picked him, and it sounds like no one else out there chased after Turner like the Falcons. He'll be a minimum 15-carry-per-game guy with some receptions, which puts him in a good class as far as Fantasy RBs go. However, he'll also be on a team with a weak offense and a bad offensive line (as of now). We nailed him as a low-end No. 2/top-end No. 3 Fantasy RB at the start of the offseason; that's exactly where he is now. His signing also knocked Warrick Dunn way down the Fantasy rank lists. I did not think Atlanta was a serious suitor for Turner.

Donte Stallworth, welcome back to Fantasy relevance.
Stallworth signed a long-term deal with the Browns and should fit in as their No. 2 receiver opposite Braylon Edwards. That's actually a better spot for him than third banana with the Patriots. Cleveland should fling the ball plenty, and Stallworth will end up doing better in single coverage with the Browns than with the Pats, where he hardly got a look. He'll be a low-end No. 2/top-end No. 3 Fantasy WR. By the way, this is very good news for Derek Anderson. Both Stallworth and Anderson climbed in our rankings.

Bernard Berrian gets to be a No. 1. The Vikings overpaid for Berrian, but they're not going to be ripped off entirely. Berrian has excellent speed and deep-ball skills and will absolutely help Minnesota set up a passing identity. He'll be around a low-end No. 2 Fantasy WR. Tarvaris Jackson got a nudge up in the rankings. Berrian's presence will also partially offset the "eight-in-the-box" factor Adrian Peterson was not hoping to deal with.

Javon Walker's release (temporarily?) stings him. The Broncos' cut of Walker was bad news for his Fantasy value as the one-time No. 1 WR is now 40th at the position in our rankings. The good news? There's room to move up. The better news? Walker reportedly has many suitors. If he signs quickly and for a nice amount guaranteed, it will mean that someone out there believes he can still be a difference maker. If it's with the right team, he could return to being a low-end No. 2 Fantasy WR. Philadelphia would be an outstanding landing spot.

Alge Crumpler's signing in Tennessee should buy him at least one more year of Fantasy relevance. He has 700-yard potential, but with the cavalcade of mediocre receivers out there, he could go either way of that mark. My guess is that he barely tops it with five touchdowns, making him a low-end No. 1/top-end No. 2 Fantasy TE. He will help Vince Young's numbers, but not enough to put Young past Matt Schaub or David Garrard.

Niners WRs can't crack the top 50. Isaac Bruce finds a new home with his old offensive coordinator, and he slides. Arnaz Battle slides as a domino effect of Bruce signing with the Niners. And the worst part is that even if Shaun Hill is named the starting QB, these receivers aren't expected to post big numbers. Darrell Jackson holds steady, by the way. Also, if it was 2001, the Niners would have an outstanding WR corps.

Kicker movement: With Stallworth going to Cleveland and the Browns' offensive expectation on the rise, Phil Dawson is now a "two-dollar kicker." That's a nice name for a kicker who won't be a waiver wire add-n-drop. It also puts him in the top five. ... Josh Brown in St. Louis is also nice. He should have a strong year kicking indoors at least nine times a season. ... Rob Bironas is up a smidge, as is Ryan Longwell thanks to their teams' recent additions.

Minor changes for the better. Thomas Jones is up thanks to Alan Faneca coming to the Jets. Now the left side of that O-line rivals Minnesota's left side. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Faneca and Nick Mangold should be a tough trio to stop, and Jones will benefit from that ... well, so long as he's alone in the Jets' backfield ... Josh McCown's signing with Miami locks him in as a desperation No. 2 Fantasy QB. That put him on the Fantasy QB map. ... Billy Volek cracks the top 40 by virtue of his re-signing with the Chargers. He might be in play as a No. 2 Fantasy QB for the start of the season depending on Philip Rivers' rehab from a torn ACL. ... Darius Walker gets a nudge up with Turner not signing in Houston.  ... Drew Bennett cracks the top 80 with Isaac Bruce heading out of St. Loo. ... Other UPs: Visanthe Shiancoe, Jeff King. ... The Eagles, Niners and Browns DSTs made some nice changes and are now decent sleepers.

Minor changes for the worse. Jesse Chatman has fallen as he's still without a team. Same thing for Jason Elam. Same thing for David Patten. Same thing for Eric Johnson. ... The Titans DST is bleeding D-linemen, so they're falling a little, especially with other DSTs moving up.

What do these free-agent signings tell us about what teams are looking at come draft-time? Quite a bit, actually.

For instance, the Falcons' signing of Michael Turner takes them out of the Darren McFadden sweepstakes. That combined with Chris Redman re-signing makes it look like Matt Ryan will be their guy at No. 3 overall.

You could almost say the same thing about Oakland when they re-signed Justin Fargas, but they could still take McFadden. They probably won't take Sedrick Ellis or Glenn Dorsey, however, thanks to their re-signing of DL Tommy Kelly.

But if McFadden makes it to the Jets, he could really dominate behind that O-line (and Thomas Jones would suffer).

The Rams look like a buyer of a wide receiver at the top of Round 2. My guess is that they're crossing their fingers that Limas Sweed is still out there. If Tennessee signs D.J. Hackett and the Bears sign someone to play WR, they might get their wish. Minnesota is out now that they signed Berrian. They won't trade out of the No. 2 overall spot where they're guaranteed someone named Long (the club cut DE James Hall last week, opening the door for Chris Long, perhaps).
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