Came off a 4-12 season where the Offense ranked 11th in Passing and 28th in Rushing. In his 1st season, he started 7 games, and had Tiki Barber, Ike Hilliard, and Jeremy Shockey at his disposal. The OL gave up 52 sacks, and the run game ranked 11th. In 2005, Manning took over full time and still had Tiki, a rookie Brandon Jacobs, Plaxico Burress, Shockey, and Amani Toomer at his disposal. 2006 was muh of the same.
#4 Phillip Rivers, drafted by the Giants and traded to the Chargers:
Chargers came off a 4-12 season in ’03 and hadn’t had a winning season since 1995 or an offense ranked in the top-10 since 1992. He didn’t start playing full time until 2006 but in 04 and 05 the offense was ranked 10<sup>th</sup>, mainly on the backs of Ladanian Tomlinson and Drew Brees. The Receiving corps consisted of Antonio Gates, Eric Parker and Keenan McCardell. The OL did not produce any pro-bowlers until 2006.
#11 Ben Roethlisberger, drafted by the Steelers: Came off a 6-10 season where they finished 14<sup>th</sup> in Rushing and 31<sup>st</sup> in Passing. In 2004, he started 13 games had Jerome Bettis and Duce Staley both run for over 800 yards and a rushing game that ranked 6<sup>th</sup>. He also had Hines Ward, Antwan Randal El, Plaxico Burress and 3 OL Pro-bowlers at his disposal. The OL also gave up 36 sacks. In 2005 he worked with Willie Parker, Jerome Bettis and the 5<sup>th</sup> ranked running game. There were 2 pro-bowlers on the OL and Heath Miller was added to the core of Ward, Plax, and Randal El. Much of the same in 2006 except Burress was replaced with Santonio Holmes and Bettis retired, but they still had the 10<sup>th</sup> ranked running game and 1 pro-bowler on the OL. And let’s not forget how much a great D affects the Offense…
And if you are going to bother voting for JP Losman, then good luck to you
While he does not compare positively to the on field performance or statistical performance of either Philip Rivers or Eli Manning, of course this has to be Ben Roethlisberger.
I mean he plays for a team that produced 2 championships right?
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While he does not compare positively to the on field performance or statistical performance of either Philip Rivers or Eli Manning, of course this has to be Ben Roethlisberger
Really??? Lets look at career stats for Eli and Ben
Eli 2284att 1276 comp 55.9%, 14,623 yrds, 6.40 ypa 98td,74 int with a passer rating of 76.1
Ben 1905att 1189 comp 62.4%, 14,974 yrds, 7.86, 101td, 69int, with a passer rating of 89.4
The stats prove that not only does Ben compare he beats Eli.More proof that Irregardless makes up his own facts
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Cumulatively speaking the Giants have had a better o-line for Manning than the Steelers have had for Ben. You can post the stats for pro-bowls (lol) or whatever numbers you want to break out but read up on it a little and it's obvious. 2004 seen Kendall Simmons sidelined for the entire season. In 2005 Marvel Smith had his second injury plagued season. Hartings had an injury riddled 2006 that ended his career and Kendall Simmons struggled with a foot injury throughout the season. In 2007 Marvel Smith was back on the shelf due to injury and in 2008 he played roughly half the season before his injury sidelined him. Kendall Simmons was injured at the beginning of 2008 and was lost for the season. How about the Giants. David Diehl has started every game during Manning's career. From 2005 through 2008 Chris Snee has started every game at RG. In Manning's entire career Kareem McKenzie has missed 3 games at RT. Finally center Shaun O'Hara has missed 5 games during Eli's career. It's called stability on the line and it's the foundation of any offense.
Tiki Barber averaged 4.7, 5.2 and 5.1 yards per carry during his years with Eli. Brandon Jacobs has a 5 yard average as a starter. In 2 seasons Ahmad Bradshaw 's averages have been 8.3 and 5.3. Derrick Ward rounded out the 3 headed monster with 3.8 his first season and 4.8 and 5.6 in his final 2 years with the Giants. Jerome Bettis averaged 3.8 and 3.3 during Ben's career. Willie Parker 's 2 best averages cam when Jerome Bettis was still the starter, 5.8 and 4.7. These were also Hartings last 2 great seasons. Since Parker took over as the starter his average has steadily fallen from 4.4, 4.1 down to 3.8. Mewelde Moore averaged 4.2 last year for the Steelers. Mendenhall was 3.1 before his injury. So you can understand what these stats mean it's simple, Eli Manning had the good fortune of being third and short most of the time while Ben was given third and long most of the time. You can break out the rushing totals all you want but that just shows the Steelers commitment to running the ball even when it's not working which is what makes Ben who he is. He keeps the chains moving regardless of the situation especialy in the fourth quarter when the game is on the line.
While he does not compare positively to the on field performance or statistical performance of either Philip Rivers or Eli Manning , of course this has to be Ben Roethlisberger . lol, What stats you making up today irregardless?
Giants had the better running back, steelers had the better running game. The numbers prove it.
Just because Roethlisberger began to hold the ball to long which cause his sack numbers to increase starting in 2006, does not take away from the hosses he had protecting hin in '04 and '05. The league agrees.
Total passing offense: 2004 Pitt - 28/NYG - 26 2005 Pitt - 24/NYG - 11 2006 Pitt - 9/NYG - 19 2007 Pitt - 22/NYG - 21 2008 Pitt - 20/NYG - 3 On a side not, doesn't this point to Roethlisberger's inadequacies as a QB? Especially considering when they did have to pass more than run (2006) they finished 8-8?
Krispy followed me to another thread....I guess because he followed me around again that he'll send me another bogus warning about how I am stalking him.
Some people never learn.
BTW, stats don't tell the whole story right? That observation is more important right?
I think you know even less now that you've switched from a Patriot fan to a Steeler fan.
If you are talking about which team had the best offensive situation in the 2004 season, then that's obviously the Steelers. However, Rivers didn't even start until 2006, so 2004 is completely irrelevant to him. Clearly when it comes to offensive support in the first year as a starter, Eli Manning is the one left out in the cold, with both Rivers and Roethlisberger stepping into some very nice situations.
BTW, stats don't tell the whole story right? That observation is more important right
Wow now stats dont matter?? funny your whole arguments have been on stats, now that your proven wrong again you change your tune?? so you still saying that Eli is better than Ben??
While he does not compare positively to the on field performance or statistical performance of either Philip Rivers or Eli Manning, of course this has to be Ben Roethlisberger
You said this ^^^^, then when you are proven wrong you say
BTW, stats don't tell the whole story right? That observation is more important right?
Now its getting so bad you are contradicting yourself. Proving you wrong is getting easier and easier
Lol, I'm tired of this debate. You guys can have the better quarterback if you want. I'll take the rings any day. If you guys can't be impressed by the fact that 3 franchise quarterbacks came out of the first 11 picks, I don't know what else to say. Three Superbowl rings in 5 years is an amazing statement of the quality of that draft class.
You guys can have the better quarterback if you want. I'll take the rings any day. I hear that. Da prowblem ees any swanging hooligan wort ees gvt chees wuld hav wun dem tree rings had wit da defence dat suasage hed had
Rivers didn't 'step into' anything other than holding the clipboard for two years, and their offense was the worst of the three, minus LT.
Manning stepped into a team in disarray with decent talent.
Ben Roethlisber, who has benefitted more from his teamates then any other player in history, stepped immediately into a position where he was asked to hand the ball off, stay behind the all-pro OL, and throw short easy passes to one of the best receiving corps in the conference, at that time...
How anybody could not vote for Roethlieberger, outside of complete ignorance, homerism, of spite, is beyond me
