Rodgers put up some very good stats for the season, but the reality is that he was not very good when the game was on the line.
Jay Cutler has proven in three season that he is not very good with a game on the line, and when the season is on the line.
With the help of Ed Hochuli, the Broncos had the chance to clinch the division with 4 games left to play, and not only did they lose every game to close the season, they were bogged down by Cutler in all 4.
Interception are not the only mistakes a QB can make. Jay Cutler throws the ball high, and screams at his receivers when he overthrows them and it is clearly his fault.
A big baby on the field is not what you want from your QB.
Chicago fans failed to learn the lesson of the Denver fanbase on here they used to make fun of. A thread that is a better display of blind homerism I have not seen, outside a Big Ben thread that is....
you do bring up a good point, though I still see a bit of suspect information in your analysis.
The real question is if you as a person were in the role of follower, or support, or skill player, whatever you want to call it, which of these players would you want to lead you.
To me, and to many, Jay Cutler has never proven himself to be a leader, and certainly not the selfless leader that I want in my team's QB.
For evidence see any game he has ever appeared in, college and NFL.
irregardless, I just don't see how anyone can possibly make the claim that Cutler is not a leader on the field. This may sound far too logical for many, and even I'll admit that it defies the intelligence that we, as fans, believe ourselves to have, but the fact is that we are just that: fans. I have never spent four quarters on the field with either quarterback. I have never shared a locker room with either quarterback, and I have never been able to call myself a "teammate" of either player. I cannot confidently speak on either player's ability to lead. Our perception is one thing, but the reality can certainly be far different. There are many, many factors that essentially go into the situations in which we judge a player's "leadership ability", although most see it as a measure of that player's ability alone. Or, in other words, we don't see everything, although we think we do.
I understand many of the things that people say about Jay Cutler and his abilities, but I have, recently, only been able to scoff at the assertion that he lacks "leadership". This is just something that we cannot truly have any measure of. At least, not based off of the information provided to us.
Oh, ummm sorry, what I meant to say is Cutler is waaaay better than Rodgers. Yup, he is definitely the missing piece that the beloved Bears have been looking for since 1985. and yes, the added "depth" and "talent" (wherever that is) will certainly make the difference.....I'm getting my Super Bowl tickets ASAP.
Jay Cutler has proven in three season that he is not very good with a game on the line, and when the season is on the line. If that's how you feel about Cutler, you're going to love it when Kyle Ortens passes fall five yards short of wide open receivers on third downs. Honestly, yours are just sour grapes from a PO'd Broncos fan who is staring into the abyss. As far as your remarks about Jay's intellect, I suppose that your degree is from a higher ranked university than Vanderbilt (where you actually have to meet the academic requirements to get a scholarship).
I am glad to see that people are finally getting over the hype of Jay Cutler and realizing that while he has skills he has been a pretty average quarterback so far. aaron rogers is definitely better
Aaron Rodgers didn't have a bad year, the defense was to blame for the Packers 6-10 record. Aaron Rodgers definitely exceeded expectations last year. Rodgers is going to be a good NFL quarterback.
I am glad to see that people are finally getting over the hype of Jay Cutler and realizing that while he has skills he has been a pretty average quarterback so far. aaron rogers is definitely better
Again, I fail to see why Rodgers gets a free pass for the Packers 6 - 10 season and yet Cutler seems to bear sole responsibility for the fact the Broncos are 17 - 20 with him as a starter.
Rodgers has better overall weapons around him and the Packers had a better defense (Packers - 22nd in points against, 20th in yards........ Broncos - 30th in points against, 29th in yards against). But I as pointed out in an earlier post there were many times last season that Rodgers poor play at critical times cost his team several games.
And I'll say it again, I'm sure there were games that Cutler didn't get the job done either. But in the opinion of many posters - and in the absence of facts to back them up - Cutler was totally responsible for the Broncos collapse that cost them a playoff berth.
Cutler needs to continue to develop and the fact is he will have to prove himself a leader after the trade from the Broncos. That's a fair statement to make. And no I don't think Cutler is a saviour. But he is a major improvement over any QB the Bears have had in the last 5 decades.
But exactly why do people suggest that Rodgers is "definitely better" than Cutler? What facts to you have to suggest he is the better QB? If you post them, I'll gladly consider them.
Shoot. Rex Grossman exceeded expectations his first half year of starting and then cracked and crumbled. Don't be surprised if the same happens to A-Rod. I'm not saying that Rex and A-Rod are on the same level, I'm saying that A-Rod played very well his first year, and not to ride your hopes on that. Most quality QB's, be it hall of famers or repeat Super Bowlers don't go out their first year and have a year like A-Rod. Most QB's that come out like Rodgers end up crashing and burning.
I mean, Tom Brady almost didn't get drafted and look where he's at now.
A players first year is not a good indication of how his career is going to be. I've said it time and time again, most players that come out their first year and blow it up, stat wise, especially QB's, do so because there is a lack of information, film, for opponents to take in and study. See Derek Anderson. This year will be very telling for the Packers and if they truely have a franchise QB in Aaron Rodgers. It should be easier for A-Rod than Jay Cutler given the surrounding weapons, but teams will definitely be able to prepare for it.
Likewise for Jay Cutler and the Bears. They may have a phenominal year this year based purely on the uncertainty that other teams will have. In the past couple years, opponents havn't had to worry about our speedster receivers because we couldn't really rely on our QB to get it to them accurately. This year, we have a promising young RB returning in Matt Forte, who despite being lined up against stacked boxes was able to be very productive. His numbers should increase just by having Jay line up behind center. And when they do stack the box, Jay has the arm to get it to Devin Hester streaking down the sideline, or Greg Olsen running up the seam. It's going to be all new looks for defenses to worry about.
So, like I said, it's the first year, and it could be very good for the Bears. But next year will tell the tale for us offensively as this year will for the Packers.
I've sat on this thread a long time, and I think now's a good time to comment (Bears fan disclaimer).
I actually cannot choose between the two. They have two specific similarities that everyone try to judge.
They both have great last year stats, and the they both technically have losing records.
Honestly, these two players have the same talent level......simple as that. Aaron Rodgers and Jay Cutler would probably be interchangeable between the teams.
If I had to choose in a fantasy football situation? Aaron Rodgers hands down. He's a good QB.
If I had to choose who I'd start a team with? Aaron Rodgers. He has had time to figure out how to handle the quarterback life, while Jay Cutler has put himself in positions to be ridiculed (deserved or not).
If I had to choose who improves their team the most....I'd say Jay Cutler, because the bears are a more complete team than the Broncos at this point.
Vizzini, I usually dismiss and ignore such comments, but I cannot do so this time, simply for the purpose of making sure that I don't forget my current thought...
"Aged-appropriate" is another phrase void of intelligence that I cannot stand. It joins the ranks of "irregardless" and "all o' the sudden"... Thank you. I've heard people use the term, but, there being such a subtle difference between the two sayings, I couldn't bring myself to call them on it. Now that I see it in writing, I can confirm it as a wholely irritating phrase.
And again, that's the problem. It wasn't Aaron Rodgers fault the Packers were 6 - 10, it was the defense right? It was the defense. In the 13-3 season the Packers had in 2007, the defense allowed 291 points. Favre threw for 4155 yards, 28 TD's 15 Ints.
Last season, the defense allowed 380 points. Rodgers threw for 4038 yards, 28 TD's 13 Ints.
Similar quarterback play, but the Packers defense was porous to say the least.
Hi. #1 Cutler had the best offensive line in football. #2 Cutler had superior receivers (Yes, I will take Marshall/Royal over Jennings/Driver anyday) <-- Your best argument if anything #3 Cutler had a superior running game (No premier back but the system was more consistent then the Packers) #4 Denver plays in a pretty bad defensive division. Green Bay plays in the defensive division #5 The North has by far worse passing weather #6 Driver has said that Aaron Rogers throws the prettiest deep ball he has ever seen (Yes better then Favre) #7 Cutler had a better Tight End
That being said last year Rogers was 28/13 with an 93.8 QB Rating, Cutler was 25/18 with an 86.0 QB Rating And I don't buy the whole win percentage is everything argument, because then Kyle Orton is a lot better then Cutler (18-10). A lot of things factor into a win, and Kerry Collins is living proof that a QB can be horrid and a backup on most teams and still be able to win a lot of games. Not to mention Denver was a winning team with Jake Plummer, and Cutler screwed that whole situation up (PLEASE COME BACK PLUMMER).
It was the defense. In the 13-3 season the Packers had in 2007, the defense allowed 291 points. Favre threw for 4155 yards, 28 TD's 15 Ints.
Last season, the defense allowed 380 points. Rodgers threw for 4038 yards, 28 TD's 13 Ints.
Similar quarterback play, but the Packers defense was porous to say the least.
Yes malashizzle, the Packer defense wasn't very good in 2008 BUT the Broncos defense was worse.
The Packers gave up 380 points? The Broncos defense gave up 448 points.
And yet again, the issue is that people who think Rodgers is better than Cutler do not assign any responsibility to him for the Packers 6 - 10 season. Cutler played on a team that had a defense that gave up 68 more points than the Packers - over 4 points per game more. You suggest that is was the defense that was the issue for Packers, but Cutler can't use that as an excuse?
#3 Cutler had a superior running game (No premier back but the system was more consistent then the Packers)
Are you kidding me! Learn about football, then post. When all you do is look at numbers and spout off crap like this, it makes you look sad. The reason that Denver had better numbers in the running game is because of the massive amount of attention Cutler and his recievers got. If opposing teams actually played to stop the run against second rate running backs, then they would be abused in the air. Therefore coaches wanted to minimalize the pass game and with little attention given to the weak run game, it produced fairly decent numbers.
Now with Chicago he will have a superior running game than green bay. Forte continuously saw 8 man fronts last year and still rushed for over 1200 yards. With a QB like Cutler in the mold, it's an easy prediction to say he improves on his numbers from last year on less carries.
#4 Denver plays in a pretty bad defensive division. Green Bay plays in the defensive division
Hmm, lets see, both Minny and Chicago were top 5 against the run. Both were lacking when it came to the pass. The Bears were actually one of the worst. Along with Detroit and there nonexistent defense, this statement is also false, BIG TIME.
#5 The North has by far worse passing weather 2 dome teams plus anytime they get early season division games this doesn't even matter.
#6 Driver has said that Aaron Rogers throws the prettiest deep ball he has ever seen (Yes better then Favre)
So what. A teammate comments on his present QB and how skilled he is. BIG FREAKIN DEAL.
#7 Cutler had a better Tight End Wow, this one takes the cake! OOOOOhhhhhh a better TE. OMG denver should of won the superbowl, he had a good TE!
That being said last year Rogers was 28/13 with an 93.8 QB Rating, Cutler was 25/18 with an 86.0 QB Rating And I don't buy the whole win percentage is everything argument, because then Kyle Orton is a lot better then Cutler (18-10). A lot of things factor into a win, and Kerry Collins is living proof that a QB can be horrid and a backup on most teams and still be able to win a lot of games. Not to mention Denver was a winning team with Jake Plummer, and Cutler screwed that whole situation up (PLEASE COME BACK PLUMMER).
Ah so here is the true response. You don't like Cutler so you wanted to comment to downgrade him so it would make you feel better. Fair enough but here's the deal: He's a good QB and young. Just like Rodgers. Both have strengths and weaknesses. While Cutler has more potential athleticly, Rodgers got the chance to learn from Farve of all people.
Now you want to bash Cutler, ok. Thats your right. Just actually come out with facts. I actually was agreeing with you until I read #3 and on down. All of that is BS. Come back once you understand more of the game, trust me it will help you out in these situations.
