Quinnessential Question: Is Brady Quinn's Accuracy a Myth?
Is Brady Quinn's accuracy as well as his arm strength, or lack thereof, real question marks?
Here is Michael Lombardi's (former Brown's personnel man) assessmement of Brady Quinn:
"Quinn played in three games last season and was 45 of 89 passing, a 50.6-percent completion percentage. Those stats include his game against a very bad Broncos defense in which he was 23 of 35. If you remove that game, Quinn was 22 of 54 in the other games, less than 50-percent completion. Accuracy is something that’s hard to fix. NFL accuracy is putting the ball into tight spots and making sure the ball is thrown in the right zone so the receiver can make yards after the catch. This isn’t easy for Quinn. One of the reasons he was drafted late in the first round was because in every area of his play, he wasn’t accurate — in game tape, in practice and in his workout on campus at Notre Dame. In that workout, his ball was all over the place and he made his wideouts work for the catch while throwing against air. His deep ball was very poor, and this lack of accuracy was the main reason so many teams passed on him in the first round."
If you've followed closely, Quinn's loyal supporters also built in an excuse for ND losing all of those big games. The excuse is that ND didn't have the talent to compete. That's right, when his team needed him most, Quinn turned into a choke artist...BUT QUINN fans blamed the rest of the team for his feeble play. I guess Oregon States vaunted defense really gave Quinn fits! DA beat him then, and he's been beating him ever since.
Now for a pure dink dunker, Brady Quinn is amassing a completion percentage of no better than DA's stats. And that is a big worry: Quinn cannot make the big play but now he can't control the ball either !
Is it a wonder why DA is still in this so-called QB competition despite ALL the favours going Quinn's way: Quinn's draft cost and first rounder status vs DA's practice squad stigma, Quinn's metrosexual appeal vs DA's countryboy roots etc.
Surely the Quinn lovers (the ones with him as their avatar) will post here defending him, but we really won't know till he gets a long stretch of games. Yeah, I realize the stats from the 3 games he played, but I'm curious at to how many of those where batted down, dropped and over or under thrown. We'll just have to wait and see if our investment from 2007 will pay off or not.....
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Quinnessential Question: Is Brady Quinn's Accurac
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Quinnessential Question: Is Brady Quinn's Accurac
Fans continue to look the other way with Brady Quinn.
Certain posters on this site point toward Derek Anderson's quarterback rating and completion percentages to justify Quinn starting for the Browns. Although it's still early, Brady Quinn hasn't shown me anything to merit awarding him the job.
There was a reason 22 teams passed on someone originally labeled as an "elite franchise quarterback."
I hate to say this, but the evidence surrounding Brady Quinn seems to point toward him being a bust.
If Quinn were the smart, acccurate quarterback many believe him to be:
Several NFL teams in need of a quarterback wouldn't have passed on him in 2007.
He would have beaten Derek Anderson in 2007 AND 2008.
His decision making would have been better in the few NFL games he started.
I say these things because I worry.
The signs point toward Quinn as a colossal NFL bust, and that does not bode well for the Cleveland Browns.
I want him to be the accurate, intelligent, charismatic quarterback that everyone builds him up to be. I want that. The sad reality of the situation says otherwise, and Browns fans should get used to that.
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Quinnessential Question: Is Brady Quinn's Accurac
Lombardi wasn't a part of the Browns when they were evaluating Quinn....
It's Funny, here is how Walters Football saw Quinn's pro day. I have found them to be non-biased and accurate most of the time as scouts of the NFL draft hopefuls..
"Brady Quinn QB 6-3 232 4.73/40 yard. Actually a tenth faster in his 40 than JaMarcus Russell, which seems a bit odd. Notched a 36-inch vertical and a 9-foot-7 broad jump. Ran the short shuttle in 4.22 and the 3-cone drill in 6.79. Looked great in all the drills. Should be back in the top 5, if not the top 3."
Out of the 60 something passes thrown in 15 minutes, only 5 hit the ground. This shows not only accuracy, but stamina to throw that many balls in such a short amount of time.
I know you have made this argument before, but except for the Browns and the Dolphins, who else was going to be taking a QB on that day in 2007? Who are all of these teams that passed up on Quinn? The fact was, if the Dolphins didn't take him, he was going to fall fast and hard. That is exactly what happened and I still think he will prove his worth.
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Quinnessential Question: Is Brady Quinn's Accurac
Lombardi wasn't a part of the Browns when they were evaluating Quinn....
It's Funny, here is how Walters Football saw Quinn's pro day. I have found them to be non-biased and accurate most of the time as scouts of the NFL draft hopefuls..
"Brady Quinn QB 6-3 232 4.73/40 yard. Actually a tenth faster in his 40 than JaMarcus Russell , which seems a bit odd. Notched a 36-inch vertical and a 9-foot-7 broad jump. Ran the short shuttle in 4.22 and the 3-cone drill in 6.79. Looked great in all the drills. Should be back in the top 5, if not the top 3."
Out of the 60 something passes thrown in 15 minutes, only 5 hit the ground. This shows not only accuracy, but stamina to throw that many balls in such a short amount of time.
I know you have made this argument before, but except for the Browns and the Dolphins , who else was going to be taking a QB on that day in 2007? Who are all of these teams that passed up on Quinn? The fact was, if the Dolphins didn't take him, he was going to fall fast and hard. That is exactly what happened and I still think he will prove his worth.
where exactly is phil savage working now, again?? oh yeah radio analyst for alabama?? well he does have contacts, because savage will never get an NFL job again.
22 teams passed !! dude, noone passes up a franchise QB !!
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22 teams passed !! dude, noone passes up a franchise QB !! 1st of all 20 teams passed, Oakland drafted a QB #1 overall and you are counting us. Take a long hard look at those 20 teams, only the Dolphins at #9 were in the market for a QB.
No one passes up a franchise QB? So, the Lions should have drafted a QB every year instead of receivers? Nice theory Pee Pee...You draft according to team need and then take the best player meeting a need. If the team does not need a QB, you do not draft a QB.
The Browns were idiots for dealing the #5 pick this year and should have just drafted Sanchez according to your theory. Every team should just draft a QB in the first round every year. It is a crap shoot as to whether you get that franchise QB anyway, so why not take your pick of the top 32, one of them are bound to be a franchise QB...Some may never get the audition.
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Quinnessential Question: Is Brady Quinn's Accurac
Surely the Quinn lovers (the ones with him as their avatar) will post here defending him
Quinn-lover, am I? Well as least I'm not a filthy Steelers fan!!
(And bfs, I do hope you get the humor here. I am well aware you're not of the yellow and gold persuasion... )
but we really won't know till he gets a long stretch of games. Yeah, I realize the stats from the 3 games he played, but I'm curious at to how many of those where batted down, dropped and over or under thrown. We'll just have to wait and see if our investment from 2007 will pay off or not.....
I whole-heartedly agree with everything you just put, bfs. In fact, I got more and more nervous as the mini camp battle wore on. I'm obviously pulling for Quinn (see avatar), but if he's unable to out-shine one of the unarguably worst quarterbacks of 2008, then we (the Browns organization) have a serious problem on our hands!
The argument that Lombardi is (trying to) make in this article is completely without merit. It's impossible to judge a quarterback off of three games. Additionally, consider that Quinn was making his first start and they were on back-to-back national prime time games.
Then, if you futher buy into the bogus argument that Quinn's numbers are bad, consider this:
Quinn's numbers against Buffalo weren't overly impressive, but the Bills were #13-ranked pass defense in 2008. He was 14 of 36 (38.9 percent) for 185 yards (5.1 average) with no touchdowns to no interceptions.
Anderson's numbers against the Texans were worse: 5 of 14 (35.7 percent) for 51 yards (3.6 average) and zero touchdowns to one interception. Houston had the #17-ranked pass defense.
Against Washington, Anderson was 14 of 37 (37.8 percent) for 136 yards (3.7 average) with one touchdown and no interceptions. The Redskins were #7-ranked pass defense.
Against Jacksonville, Anderson was 14 of 27 (51.9 percent) for 246 yards (9.1 average) and one touchdown... and Jacksonville was the #24-ranked pass defense!
Quinn may have some accuracy concerns (which actually were the only concerns on him coming out of college) but Anderson has proven time and time again to be much, much worse when it comes to quarterback accuracy.
Name me two teams that picked between #2 and #21 that hadn't (1) already spent a draft pick in recent history on a franchise passer, (2) were developing a franchise passer or (3) using a veteran passer to contend.
You strangely omit Oakland at 1. Has Russel proven to be the far better QB? I honestly don't watch much Raider football.
OK to answer your question I will go with 3. Cleveland and 9. Miami. What do I win? I am sure I could find more if I wanted to do research, but the question does not call for it.
You really should be paying attention to the more important points. The draft is a crap shoot. Dan Marino was the 27th pick in the draft. Tom Brady made it to the 6th round. Ryan Leaf was the 2nd pick in the draft.
Uh, chazz, why are all of your assessments based on the 2009 draft? Quinn was drafted in 2007 and those teams were in very different situations then. For example, the Falcons were pretty content with Michael Vick as their QB when the draft came in 2007 (a few weeks later...eh, not so much). I don't know what Mark Sanchez has to do with this.
As far as the original post goes, I agree with those who say three games -- particularly the first three games as a starter -- is not the best sample size.
Here are three consecutive games played by another NFL QB in 2008:
17 for 28, 60.7% completion
13 for 29, 44.8% completion
5 for 17, 29.4% completion (Three-game total of 35 for 74, 47.3% completion -- worse than Brady Quinn's)
Any guesses as to who this QB might be? Hint: He is the most awesome human being alive. Oh, and he won the Super Bowl that year too.
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Why is it defensive lineman rotate in and out during the game but offensive line don't? Doesn't is stand to reason that offensive lineman get tired as the game progresses. Some guys would be lineman for "passing downs" and others for "rushing downs".
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Why is it defensive lineman rotate in and out during the game but offensive line don't? Doesn't is stand to reason that offensive lineman get tired as the game progresses. Some guys would be lineman for "passing downs" and others for "rushing downs".
1. If you do the "passing linemen" and "rushing linemen", it would really be tipping off the defense. 2. My guess is that defensive linemen run around the field a lot more than offensive linemen. On many plays, the O-lineman is supposed to stand relatively still while defensive linemen are following the play all over the field. Just my guess, but interesting question.
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Out of the 60 something passes thrown in 15 minutes, only 5 hit the ground. This shows not only accuracy, but stamina to throw that many balls in such a short amount of time. VY at his pro day had 5 balls hit the ground Matt Leinart had 2 hit the ground at his proday Alex Smith had a standing ovation at his and well the stories are all the same. The best way to see what Quinn is about is give at least 1/2 a season. For that matter Eli Manning has the 3rd lowest completion % since 06 behind Vince Young and DA and nobodys talking about running him out of town. If we cant run the ball or catch or stop anybody like last year it doesnt matter who passing they will be put in a position to lose.
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Quinnessential Question: Is Brady Quinn's Accurac
Why is it defensive lineman rotate in and out during the game but offensive line don't? Doesn't is stand to reason that offensive lineman get tired as the game progresses. Some guys would be lineman for "passing downs" and others for "rushing downs".
well you would be hijacking my thread and i might need some pre-emptive strike ;)
Apart from that Rex Hadnot is taking reps at LG so we can trade eric steinbach. George forster needs to lock down the RT spot so Tucker can move inside to help out the rook Alex Mack.
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My thread was in response to DGN post which was strangely deleted by the administrator.
In essence it said, stop fighting constantly about the same thing.Indeed it was. Very strange. I never even saw it post, and in fact got an error message when I clicked post. Anyway, I am reposting and editing whatever slightly objectionable content there was:
The haters just never, ever quit, do they?
Chazz/Pee Pee: You are a troll. You are NOT a Browns fan, and thus, nothing you say has any merit on this board, nor does it deserve any attention. Please GO INDULGE YOURSELF. With a broken beer bottle, preferably.
If Quinn were the smart, acccurate quarterback many believe him to be:
Several NFL teams in need of a quarterback wouldn't have passed on him in 2007.
His decision making would have been better in the few NFL games he started.
I say these things because I worry.
No, cheeks, you say these things because you have an agenda, and like the journalist wannabe that you are, you want to provoke a reaction. Another poster, whose opinion I respect, asked me on another thread to grant you some latitude. I have. I find you wanting. You are no longer worth the time it takes to read your posts.
The Miami Dolphins passed on Quinn in favor of Ted Ginn. They were roasted by the media at the time, and the decision remains highly questionable today. What has Ginn done? NO other teams in NEED of a QB passed on Quinn after Miami. Fact.
Quinn had NO opportunity to beat out either Anderson OR Frye in 07 due to his idiotic holdout. He had NO chance to beat out Anderson in 08 because Savage/Crennel were determined to start Anderson because of his phenomenal start to the 07 season. Anderson was named the unquestionable starter before training camp in 08. You KNOW this, yet you still use the same tired old argument. This makes you also a troll. You, sir, are no better or more objective than Tony Grossi, and still not even half the journalist. Please share Pee Pees beer.
Laughable. Simply Laughable. I would rather go with the decision making Quinn displayed in 3 games over the decision making Anderson displayed the rest of the season (with the exception of the Giants game), combined with the last half of 07.
I have kept out of all the arguments, name calling, childishness on this board over the QB position. At this point I am real FRAKKING tired of reading it. Cheeks, Geno, SA...............you all need to stop your little war. Save it for the Steelers. Eric Mangini will determine who the starting quarterback will be, not any of you. Calling each other names and posting the same tired, pointless (and in some cases downright false) arguments will not influence that decision. Grow up, boys.
Now, can we PLEASE discuss something other than the QB??? O-Line anyone??? D-Line???
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Quinnessential Question: Is Brady Quinn's Accurac
The Miami Dolphins passed on Quinn in favor of Ted Ginn. They were roasted by the media at the time, and the decision remains highly questionable today. What has Ginn done? NO other teams in NEED of a QB passed on Quinn after Miami. Fact.
Quinn had NO opportunity to beat out either Anderson OR Frye in 07 due to his idiotic holdout. He had NO chance to beat out Anderson in 08 because Savage/Crennel were determined to start Anderson because of his phenomenal start to the 07 season. Anderson was named the unquestionable starter before training camp in 08. You KNOW this, yet you still use the same tired old argument. This makes you also a troll. You, sir, are no better or more objective than Tony Grossi, and still not even half the journalist. Please share Pee Pees beer.
Laughable. Simply Laughable. I would rather go with the decision making Quinn displayed in 3 games over the decision making Anderson displayed the rest of the season (with the exception of the Giants game), combined with the last half of 07.
LOL, someone needs to delete that hogwash the second time LOL
Toni Grossi worships at the altar of Quinn !!! Drinking the same KoolAid !!
If we talk about the OL, we might have to discuss the other mistake in the 2007 Draft: Joke thomas. The Browns cannot carry another weakling in Eric Steinbach !!