With JA trading away yet another first day pick, is he finally admitting that he isn't good at drafting on the first day. I'm sure most of us know is draft successes and failures but here is a reminder of the 1st and 2nd round picks:
Some good but far too many either out of the NFL or had to go to another team to be any good. Obviously late round picks haven't panned out either but they are not expected to like 1st and 2nd round picks are. With a few exceptions, almost none of the 1st and 2nd round picks have turned out has good as late round picks such as: Alex Brown (4), Lance Briggs (3), Bernard Berrian (3), Nathan Vasher (4), Kyle Orton (4), Chris Harris (6), Kevin Payne (5), Corey Graham (5), Zack Bowman (5), even Adrian Peterson (6). While we cannot say that all those guys look like they could have been 1st or 2nd rounders, they certainly have out performed most of our 1st and 2nd round picks.
When JA traded for Cutler, I agreed with some of the skeptics that we gave up too much with the two 1st rounders but b/c we have JA, i figured it was good. We basically gave up 2 busts for Jay Cutler. Not bad in my opinion.
I guess the realy question here is, do you like the idea of JA trading away his 1st and/or 2nd round pick for players that we know more about?
I like him trading the 1st rounders b/c having a 1st round bust can kill a teams salary cap. You can still hope for good value in the 2nd round and if the pick turns out to be a bust, it doesn't set you back too far.
First round picks are not worth the money, drama or ultimate heartache. If I was a GM I would trade first and second round picks for proven commodoties in a heart beat.
If we are talking about this trade -- than I couldn't vote either way.
If we traded for a player like Richard Seymor and this was the 2003 Bears than yes. I'd trade a 2nd to know I had an excellent player for a few years. In terms of The trade for Gaines Adams: We really don't know much about him except that he was drafted high. Since then, lesser known players have been playing up to his level. That's a crap shoot, but the team is sitting a lot prettier than in 2003 to take that chance.
If this was a general question than -- I'd trade down just about every time from the first round.
I'm thinking most GM's would trade the high-risk/over-priced first round picks to accumulate 2nd and 3rd round picks and use them to draft or trade for known players. Or package that into a deal for a player they'd really value.
If we are talking about this trade -- than I couldn't vote either way.
If we traded for a player like Richard Seymor and this was the 2003 Bears than yes. I'd trade a 2nd to know I had an excellent player for a few years. In terms of The trade forGaines Adams: We really don't know much about him except that he was drafted high. Since then, lesser known players have been playing up to his level. That's a crap shoot, but the team is sitting a lot prettier than in 2003 to take that chance.
If this was a general question than -- I'd trade down just about every time from the first round.
I'm thinking most GM's would trade the high-risk/over-priced first round picks to accumulate 2nd and 3rd round picks and use them to draft or trade for known players. Or package that into a deal for a player they'd really value. lol... yes
2001: 1st = David Terrell, 2nd = Anthony Thomas was not Angelo's Draft
It was Mark Hatley's So lets evaulated the remaning players
2002: 1st = Marc Columbo (Starter on Dallas) 2003: 1st = Michael Haynes, Rex Grossman , 2nd = Charles Tillman -2 busts, 1 excellent corner 2004: 1st = Tommie Harris , 2nd = Tank Johnson -2 time pro bowler, 1 avg player 2005: 1st = Cedric Benson , 2nd = Mark Bradley -Benson is leading league in rushing for Cinn, Bradley is playing OK for Cheifs 2006: 1st = None, 2nd = Devin Hester , Daniel Manning -Hester awesome returner......Manning is starting to look solid 2007: 1st = Greg Olson, 2nd = Dan Bazuin -Olson has mostly played well..,....Not an elite TE 2008: 1st = Chris Williams , 2nd = Matt Forte -Williams is starting. Forte has started slow but played great last year 2009: 1st = none, 2nd = none
So it depends on how you look at things. That's 3 Busts. Hayes, Grossman and Bazuin.
I guess the realy question here is, do you like the idea of JA trading away his 1st and/or 2nd round pick for players that we know more about?
Yes, but not every single year and I don't think Angelo went into this past offseason with that in mind. What happened so far this year is more a fluke then a start of a habit.
Cutler kinda hit every team by surprise, more then a dozen teams entered the bidding war for him and the Bears were able to close the deal with the addition of Kyle Orton and a third for a fifth swap. The original asking price was (2) first rounders but Angelo said they sweatened the pot to make sure Denver knew he was serious. Orton ended up being the icing on the cake that sealed the deal.
Adams is just another example of a player that the Bears scouted heavily and would have drafted if he had fallen... Marinelli also coveted him when he coached for Detroit so Angelo, the Bears scouting department and even Marinelli all liked him enough to send a 2'nd round pick to Tampa to get him. The good news is that Tampa paid for most of his contract already so the Bears are getting him on the cheap which will lesson the blow if he doesn't pan out. The flip side is that if Gaines takes to the Bears cover2 scheme and Marinelli's tutoring then he will be a steal for us and a long term fixture beyond 2012 at DE. The odds of both Ogunleye and Mark Aderson receiving contract extensions are remote at best and the possiblity of only one or neither coming back is high.
I don't think Angelo will continue to send all of his 1'st and 2'nd rounders out via trade. I don't mind him trading away his first rounders for more picks because the bust factor is high and the contracts for 1'st rounders is entering the absurd level.... Angelo does covet his 2'nd and 3'rd rounders and really only trades them away when he feels he can get better value back in return.
I am happy with it because JA got 2 young guys. 1 will be the franchise guy for the next 10 years and a QB that this town has never had. The second guy has proven he plays well in Lovie's style of defense and happened to be playing on a defense that is different this year and hasn't been able to adjust, but 12.5 sacks in 2 years while rotating on defense with Marinelli's coaching and being 24 is AWESOME.
Granted, as a fan you love to watch the draft and I get that, but we still have 2 young guys that we know how they play in the NFL. So you don't take as much of a chance with proven talent. I would take Cutler ANY day then the Bears drafting a QB because the STINK at drafting QB's which has been proven over the last I don't even know how many years. GREAT TRADES JA
Ya have to look at this trade as pretty damn smart, the Bears get a 1st rounder thats still early in his prime and they dont get hit with the signing bonus or big front end money. The draft is always a crap shoot so seeing top dollar high end picks traded for proven players works for me. Jerry angelo is having his best season as the Bears GM as far as plays hes gotten for this team.
DaBears, when JA first traded for Cutler I too thought he gave up to much. But if you look at the trade that the Giants made with San Diego it was essentially the same compensation for Eli Manning. And they were both unproven players at the time. So I don't mind it now. With the way both QB's have played this year (Orton and Cutler) I wonder if we would have been better off keeping the picks and adding Hakeem Nicks in the first round and Alex Mack in the second. Then using the 99th pick on someone else and still picking Knox with the 4th or 5th rounder that we had. But I still like the trade as Cutler is still a good QB, I just hate all the picks he throws. So don't think I am going against the trade for Cutler. I was just looking at a "what if" scenario.
As for trading the picks, I agree with what someone else said. I think this is just an abberation. But with the O-line not looking good and the secondary needing help, it may hurt the Bears in the future.
Another look at JA, he had a Pro Bowl caliber RB in Thomas Jones and so far he has spent a first, second and third round picks to replace him, (Benson, Forte and Wolfe) and Jones may still be the best of the bunch.
Should have just kept Jones and filled other holes with those high picks, this team would be in much better shape.
Small correction, Garrett Wolfe wasn't drafted to replace Tom Jones, but he was a 3rd round RB none the less, and likely drafted because Benson sucked.
