I think this is actually a good move even though it is a last ditch effort before throwing in the towel for the season. I have thought for a long time now zorn's play calling is to conservative and predictable. I am hoping this will provide a spark for the offense but we will still be stuck with Jason Campbell running the offense or Todd Collins. Perhaps since the Redskins are struggling so bad with the offense maybe we will see an Andre Woodson siting. To all the Colt Brennan fans this would have been the chance too bad he was stuck on ir instead of the pup list. What does everyone els think about this change of the play calling. I think it definitely spells the end of zorn and the beginning of a new regime perhaps mike holmgren, john gruden or bill cowher.
I know that something had to be done but the fact that Dan Snyder (if anyone thinks that this is anyone but him you are nuts) doesn't have confidence in the staff that has been here for a 1 1/2 years now is pretty telling. There are a number of issues here and while I didn't believe that Jim Zorn called great games I am nt going to put it all at his feet.
Jason Campbell has failed his coach. That being said, Jim Zorn failed Jason Campbell as well. As a coach, Zorn should have seen what Campbell did well and focused on those things instead of trying to make him what he wanted. Likewise, Campbell needed to make the throws that were there because he missed a bunch of them. He doesn't have that pinpoint accuracy that the best have and was too often caught between descisions.
Also, with teams double teaming Santana Moss, Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas should have made teams pay. That never happened. I don't know if they weren't being put in the right position or what but maybe a new voice would not be a bad thing for their development.
The largest issue is the offensive line. Unless the bingo caller has plays to make Mike Williams, Stephon Heyer and Will Montgomery block better, we will see the same offense.
Overall, I am glad to see change but I wouldn't have thought a bingo caller would have been better than Sherman Smith, Stump Mitchell or even Chris Meidt who has been there. We will see but I don't know how much difference it will make at this point.
First of all this was already posted. But this is what i think will happen. Someone on another post said something about jim Zorn quitting. This will not happen because if Zorn quits he doesnt get paid. Jim Zorn will be our head coach until the end of the season, Why? because there is no one else to turn too until then. No other head coach that is anything in football will come in mid season to be the coach. Now that Sherm Lewis was hired as an Offensive consultant and now the OC of the skins means that the puzzles are all coming into place. Sherm was the OC of the Greenbay Packers under Mike Holmngren and was very good with the West Coast Offense.If Zorn is to be fired by the bi-week then Sherm Lewis will be the HC of the Washington Redskins and will start paving the way and smoothing out the wrinkles for our next head coach. MIKE HOLMNGREN WILL BE OUR HC NEXT SEASON. It all makes sense. I have also heard out there that Snyder is considering on hiring a GM and letting go of Vinny Cerrato. It is not set in stone but i believe Dan Snyder might be sick of loosing and finilly is realizing he cant win a SuperBowl by buying players. At least we have something to look forward too!
Diehard sorry about double posting this topic but I didn't see it so I posted. I have also heard on the sports reporters on 980 where they said vinny went to zorn with the idea of sherman lewis because he said he was covering his own butt. I hope this is the case that vinny is feeling the heat also. I am in agreement with zorn making it the whole season also unless they find a HC willing to come in and then zorn would get dropped like a hot potato. Sheman lewis even on horrible teams like the Lions had them scoring more then 17 points a game multiple times a year. The biggest issue with the lions when he was the oc was the defense giving up 22 points a game on average. If the Redskins did that we would go 0-16 year in and year out. If we can get our offense to start scoring and stop giving the opponents td's or easy field goals because of turn overs our defensive average of 16 points a game would be alot lower. I dont expect much to change with sherman lewis calling the plays but who knows. I would also think if the redskins make a hc change in the middle of the season it wont be to go with sherman lewis because of a team continuity problem. If they make this change it will have to be to someone who commands respect and has the credentials to demand it.
In my opinion it will not matter who is calling the plays right now. With the OL we have we are not going to be making to many big plays. Jim Zorn is not the entire problem how ever I think it was clear from the Giants game week one this team was not well coached or ready to play. Zorn can only coach the team he is given and he has not been given a very good team.
Jim Zorn has to go and he will most likely be let go after the Eagles game but I would not look for a new coach to come in from the outside right away. I think will have an interm coach to get us through till the end of the year and then Dan will try and hire his big name coach. Of course Dan would like to make the move now but he is not going to get any one good to come in here this year and take over this team.
We may get a big name coach for next year, but what we need is a new GM and let them clean house and rebuild as they see fit. It is time for change if we ever want to get better.
If the Redskins let zorn go during the bye week I hope its because dan found the new coach of the redskins. The advantage of bringing in a new coach once the season is mathematically over would allow them to play all of the players to see what he has and who he needs to go get during the off season or in the draft. The redskins currently have alot of dead wait on the team that needs to be purged so it would be nice if snyder is planning on dumping zorn that he gets his new coach this year so he gets alot of time to evaluate players when it is already expected we are going to lose. It would be nice to see some of the youngsters like Marko Mitchell, Anthony Alridge, Marcus Mason and Andre Woodson. Nothing like having an extended preseason going against the oppositions first string to really get a true measure of the caliber of your players. If we are going to make a change we might as well make it count so we can have a plan going into next year. Even if for some reason the skins find away to turn their season around it will be kind of pointless because this team isn't good enough to take on teams like the Giants, Saints, Vikings etc...
TheHoggs, I agree with you I just do not think that many of the top coaches that are not coaching right now agree with us. For some reason they all say that they can not acomplish much with a coaching change during the season. I want the new GM in here now and let him decide when the head coach needs to be changed. I do not see how the Redskins can turn this season around with the team we have. Heck Vince Lombardi could not lead this team out of the mess we are in.
I would take a new head coach as well right now if we could get the right man to agree to come in now. Heck rumor has it Mike Shanahan turned the job down now but may consider coming in once the season is over. I think most if not all will say the same thing. No thanks to this team now.
Let's be honest: No good coach wants to come to Washington to work for Dan Snyder. Even if he throws $8-10 million annual salary at the likes of Shanahan, Holmgren or Cowher, none of them want to be continually undermined by Snyder and his pet bootlicker, Vinny Cerrato. Maybe Jon Gruden or Jim Fassel would come to the Redskins- that'd be about the best available.
Gee, sure would be nice to have Gregg Williams as head coach about now, huh. What's he done- except to turn the Saints into a Superbowl contender ?
Anyone catch sports center goofing on the skins. Iv never seen a orginazation get laughed at like this team. I dont know if i can tolerate 9 weeks of bingo jokes
I like the bingo popper idea lol but it will be hard to get JC a wrist guard with the bingo slides so he can close out the plays he already did each quarter... The next coach will lead to the SB I predict because danny will throw lotsa money still but he just will do it in the right direction for a change. Team needs a good draft of mostly o linemen and some key FA to be on top but they need real face to face evaluations not old stat sheets(hogs). JC gotta go though he is busted in D.C. he might or might not go on like orton somewhere else but face it if orton was still in chicago he would not be doing so good. Most of his playing motivation is to show the Bears but when he was there he was comfortable...just like JC when your HC says good or bad your the man that musta been a load off his mind. Change is coming now to see if it's worth the ticket price
Dan snyder may be able to coax a big name coach in early because the rumor mill has vinny going out the door just like jim zorn. Perhaps once vinny is gone the Redskins will bring in a GM and a bill cowher. I like bill the most of all the coaches being thrown out there as canidates simply because he comes with a fire and an attitude which is exactly what this team needs.
Yeah, that would be great Diesel. That would keep me interested. But It's been mentioned more than once that Dick LeBeau was the source of the Steelers success over the Cower regime. To me, this guy is a phenominal personality. I think defense has a lot to do with his success, but the guy is a winner. Constantly winning.
I don't know if a Bill Cower is interested in an organization like the Redskins. I think that Carolina Panthers job is just making him salivate. He has a kid in school down there, and family has been a huge part of this mans life. Character guy.
That being said, I think that Vinny is gone. But the guy who comes in isn't going to be a Cower or a Holmgren, maybe Holmgren comes in to replace Vinny, but not to coach. I think we get a Steve Marriucci or a Jon Gruden type. I would love to get Chucky in here. Heck, I'd love to get Cower, but I don't see it happening.
Chucky is still a young guy, and will be the one that has the energy to "deal" with rebuilding this thing from the ground up. Carolina is built more for Cower because they are a run first team and like to play defense. We are a.....yeah. That's us.
Jason Reid contributed to a good article in this mornings Post talking about the play calling record of Sherman Lewis, apparently he doesn't do well unless he's got Randy Moss, Cris Carter and Robert Smith running the ball or running routes for him. I think I mentioned that when he was still consulting...haha.
I would just love to see a coach come in here and not put up with all the nonsense. The crap from Clinton Portis not wanting to play in preseason. The players whining they are veterans and shouldn't have to stay at the park during training camp. You know all the griping and crap we have heard throughout the years i dont like this , I dont like that, yada yada yada these guys are being paid to play a game they love and our coaches let them walk all over them. We need a an hc like cowher, maybe gruden heck even shottenheimer. Someone who will come in and drop the hammer on all these babies and get them moving in a direction to help themselves and our Redskins to become a team with pride again.
I just can't believe what this season has come to. We have a bingo caller who will be calling plays. Zorn says that we will get Sherman up to speed this week, how is that possible? In my opinion, they should give Zorn this one more game, if he fails once again with 6 points, fire him and move on, but let him call the plays, it's not all his fault. I actually feel sorry for Zorn, it's like anyone going to work and saying well you can't do this anymore, just fire the guy if they want. I agree they are trying to get Zorn to quit so they don't have to pay him, but Zorn won't quit.
I honestly don't even know where we go, I can't believe it has come down to a bingo caller to beat the Eagles, we may get beat by 4 touchdowns next Monday. We will either get crushed mercifully or actually pull one out, which is highly unlikely to say the least. I guess my hope is always for us to win , but confidence at this point is negligible. Maybe Snyder and Cerrato will be calling bingo numbers next MOnday then relaying them to Sherman for the plays, what a joke we have become. Maybe we should start Randel El and QB and run the wildcat for 50 plays since Randel El can't do anything in the punt game. Trying to make light of our situation which is actually really, really bad.
Here's to hoping for some sort of miracle and to the future.
The Dan Snyder era of the Redskins is a joke. He has shown that he has no confiendence in Jim Zorn and is trying to replace him. He does not hide this fact and so the entire team can see this so there is no respect for a lame duck. He did the same thing to Jason Campbell when he tried to get Jay Cuttler and then Mark Sanchez.
This team is in a downward spiral and I do not think Dan Snyder has the brains to see what has to be done to stop this. He needs to leave the players and coaches alone and let his staff take care of things. He needs to sit in his seat and just shut up. This has to be some of the worst years in the Redskins history that Snyder has under his belt. Who would want to coach here?
can someone tell me why Dan would hire a GM and they go after a coach? I did hear the same thing that Shannahan turned down the job 2 weeks ago. Why would a coach come into this situation ... now, never will happen. Holmgren, maybe - think that is a good move but bottom line is we need a coach/gm not 2 different people. The better organizations around do have 1 person running the show. A coach like Zorn would need a GM sure but Shannahan, Cowher, Holmgren, maybe even Gruden are smart football people that can turn the franchise around Lets be postive to open point, beside a bad cap situation our Defense is better than average. I think we've done OK on the D.line. I know there are Albert haters out there but he is making plays, Carter, Jarmon, Orakpo, Golsen are actually doing pretty well. It is hard to play defense though when you are on the field 80% of the game because the Offense is 3 and out every damn series. We have a team that can be attractive to a top tier coach if Dan gives up the GM/Coach job to 1 person.
Bring in Shannahan or Cowher, god that would be great
I dont know how much I like the coach/gm deal. Some teams have tried it even the Redskins when shottenheimer was here. The Seahawks under holmgren initially gave him the responsibillity but took it away after a short time because he couldn't bring in the correct players. I know coaches like the idea of, if going to cook the meal I want to buy the grocery but it doesn't work out very well for most teams as far as I know.
Its a good point that coaches havent had alot of success when given COMPLETE CONTROL . I just think this team has wayyyy to many holes for a brand new coach and a new gm to come in here for the 2010 season and cohesivly "REBUILD" this offense. In my opinion for that to work it would take some kind of package deal of a coach/gm who have worked together in the past.
This has absolutely zero chance of working out well. Lewis has had two weeks. There is no possible way that he is familiar enough with the playbook and personnel to do anything resembling a competent job. Not that he has a track record of ever being a competent play caller.
The only thing that gives me hope for this game is that the Eagles are hurt and in a funk. When they get in a funk they tend to stay there for a while. If the Eagles are clicking this week, the final score is 30-3 with the offense giving up most of those points.
For the future, there is no way Danny Boy gets any hot coaching property to come to DC unless he gives over complete control of football operations. Cerrato can't be allowed anywhere near Redskins Park.
