All of you that chastised Crabtree for holding out for more money saying we have the best wr because he is in camp and ready to play for the season opener.... Where are all of you now? You know who you are so are you still feeling that way? I want all the haters of Crabs back then as well as the ones that believed we should have taken any wr other than Bey please let me hear you.
U are a fool- anyone with half a brain knew DHB was gonna be a 1-2 year project. Chaz isn't even in the line-up and DHB is going up against #1 CBs when he should be going up against #2s ... Granted, crabtree lokks good, but his attitude sucks and I can guarantee u he won't be on that team after his rookie contract is up cuz he WILL flee to the highest bidder where DHB will show loyalty to this organization as exemplified by his committment to making good on his guarantee to get in camp on-time - if the Jets didn't get nailed for tampering, crabtree would have re-entered the draft and been a jet- u think its a coincidence that braylon got traded from the Browns 2 the jets a week prior to crabtree signing? Another thing- if JLH catches that hook - DHB ladders it 2 the hosue and he is alliover BSPN 2nite.
Again, I wanted monroe or raji, but DHB WANTS to be a raider unlike crabtree who didn't want 2 be a raider or a 9er...
DHB was a terrible pick at #7. I dont think anyone can really argue that, especially when E.Monroe, B.Raji and even M.Crabtree were still on the board. The one point I have a problem with Kiff, is calling DHB a "project". You simply dont take "projects" with the #7 overall pick. The Raiders (T.Cable) came out and said that they took DHB because "he ran a pro style offense in college and wouldnt have as big of a learning curve when coming to the NFL". These were fat man Cables exact words after the draft and he looks like an idiot for making that comment.
A huge part of DHB's struggles are because of T.Cable being one of the worst play callers EVER and J.Russell having on of the WORST SEASONS ever at the exact same time. If you put M.Crabtree on this offense, his numbers would be better than DHB's simply because he wouldnt have as many drops. However, with that being said, his numbers would still suck, but we would be forced to listen to M.Crabtree complain about it, while DHB at least keeps his mouth shut.
This offense cant even get 200 yards of total offense each week and that IS NOT DHB's fault. That blame belongs to idiot Cable and the worst starting QB in the NFL.
delhomme and Derek Anderson r pretty close if JROCK is the worst! Maybe his confidense wouldnt b so low if he had a receiver that could catch! and his numbers ould be a hell of alot better also! Until we get gruden in here im not so sure that jamarcus is a bust, but Cable damn sure is
I agree with Darth. Darrius Heyward-Bey was a terrible pick at 7. Michael Crabtree is a much better WR at this point and probably has a better career ahead. I wanted B.J.Raji or Michael Oher.
I wonder how this is gonna play out with JaMarcus Russell. I mean, I watched all his throws this season and fellas, he flat out stinks. Overthrows, underthrows and throwing into coverage. Its ugly!! And he wouldnt step up in the pocket if KFC had a free sample booth. It sucks to see him hang the ball out and get sacked like that.
DHB was a terrible pick at #7. I dont think anyone can really argue that, especially when E.Monroe, B.Raji and even M.Crabtree were still on the board. The one point I have a problem with Kiff, is calling DHB a "project". You simply dont take "projects" with the #7 overall pick. The Raiders (T.Cable) came out and said that they took DHB because "he ran a pro style offense in college and wouldnt have as big of a learning curve when coming to the NFL". These were fat man Cables exact words after the draft and he looks like an idiot for making that comment.
Says it all right there...
And yes, I would rather have Crabtree over Bey any day...even in a couple years when our "project" is still the invisible man, running in circles.
Horrible pick at number 7 is correct because you don't give that kind of money to a project with suspect hands. These aren't the pre-cap days where the penalties where cap penalties didn't exist for blowing picks. You now have busts with bloated cap numbers forcing teams to decimate their roster to pay them should they refuse to restructure.
DHB, JaMarshmallow, and McFragile are getting paid a lot of cheese for essentially nothing. We drafted a 60 million dollar RB with turf toe and a weak knee to take the pressure off our dooftard QB who's now throwing to a guy who has hands that secrete butter. Al is out of his element placing value on players whether it be a vet like Tommy Kelley or a rookie like DHB. This team is horribly mismanaged in more ways than one and the owner still thinks he's smarter than everyone else.
Let's make this perfectly clear. Everyone, except Al, knew that Craptree is a better receiver than Heyward Bey. Don't forget that Craptree didn't want to play for the Raiders......don't forget that one of his entourage sighed with relief and whiped their brow when the Raiders passed on this cancerous scumbag. Yeah he's a better player......but he's going to be a cancer for every team that he plays for. We shouldn't have drafted either of these guys with that pick.
You are just as senile as Al Kiff, I thought we were making progress but your Alztheimer's has kicked in overdrive for who would draft a " One -Two yr project with the 7th overall pick? No one but you and that original Al'stheimer himself. Do I care if Crab's held out for about 6 weeks when JRock held out and missed training camp as well? What does that say about him? As for not wanting to be a Raider didn't it was said that Seymour didn't want to come here either but a pro will play no matter the dire circumstances as we have here. Seems to me that Bey doesn't want to play here according to his stats. He has a god awful qb to rely on but no one with a sound mind thinks Bey is a better wr than Crab's, Al just butchered the pick only because the guy had a stress fracture. The best wr in the draft and you pass him up for a guy that supposedly was in a pro style offense? Ha !! He only runs in a straight line fast unless he runs into his own teammate like Murphy, dumb and dumber.
I mean, I remember guys saying after the fact "at least we got a guy who doesn't hate the idea of playing for the Raiders" or "at least we got a guy who will sign"...
...But that was after the fact. Before the draft pick NO ONE (well, if it wasn't no one it was close enough) wanted DHB. Guys wanted O-line or D-line or a LB... A person or two might have been calling for Crabtree or Maclin.
But seriously - I can't think of anyone who was happy with the draft pick. So exactly who you are trying to poke fun at here I have no idea.
I wanted BJ Raji for the record. And I still would rather have BJ Raji. I actually preferred any number of people over a WR period, much less DHB. I support him now because he's a Raider, but I did not one bit agree with the pick.
Seriously, DHB just plain stinks!!!! I am sooooooo sick and tired of watching this guy every week drop ball after ball. You cannot be a successful team when you waste draft picks like we do year after year. I try to be a positive guy and not be a "monday morning qb" but the last two years I get pumped up for the draft for months and we just literally waste our 1st round pick. I will give Al some love for his eye for talent. He can still pick some great players in rounds 2-7 but he simply should not be allowed to make the first pick anymore. I would rather pick out of a hat every year.
This thought did cross my mind after Crabtree started playing. It's hard to make a choice here because they are two different players (obviously), playing in different systems with different players. Who's to say that Crabtree would be any better playing for us. Right now, our whole team is playing poorly. Is it DHBs fault? Russell's fault? Cable's system? Who knows.
I can say that I would never want a guy (Crabtree) on our team that made it blatantly obvious that he did not want to play in Oakland. We have enough problems already without this primadonna headcase adding more poison to the mix. Crabtree would not be the answer to the Raiders salvation. Having not even played a down in the NFL, he felt he was worth more than the team and willing to re-enter the draft next year. We all know what happened. It's just a matter of time before he wears out his welcome in SF.
DHB - Well, here is yet another poor draft choice by the powers that be - at least in my opinion. Speed only gets you so far. Just because you come from a pro style offense, doesn't mean you can play it it effectively. On another team would he be better? Possibly. There was better value at #7, and I agree with the others that a draft pick that high should NOT be a project. And that goes double for the #1 pick. Yes, I couldn't go a whole post without mentioning the Nation's favorite whipping boy, J Rock. I've seen posts that have said we still need to give him time. A number one overall shouldn't be a 4 - 5 yr project. After another stellar performance today, I think he is well on his way - to be classified as a major bust. And for those that argue that claim, what more do you have to see to subscribe to that point of view? I've seen enough.
So what is the solution? We need a GM. A good one that doesn't have to bow down to big Al and go after the speed guy, the guy than can throw 70 yards from his knees, etc. We need talent over flash. Does Bill Parcells have a clone that would be willing to work for our organization? Not as long as Al is in charge.
There are only so many posts I can write without saying the same thing over and over. We will eventually return to glory. We are all in it for the long haul, so stay strong Nation.
Don't you just love it how Crabtree is a douche for holding out for the big contract but when Jamarcus does it's the fault of the system or the agent?
Don't you just love it how Crabtree is criticised for not wanting to be here but Jamarcus just exudes enthusiasm doesn't he?
Don't you just love it how you never stop hearing how it's not Jamarcus' fault it's the receivers but NO, we shouldn't have taken the most sure handed and reliable receiver?
The excuses are tiring. The hypocrisy is boring. Crabtree would have been a much better pick at 7. If you were going wide receiver. (we can argue all day over which position we should have taken but the point is who would you rather have over DHB or Crabtree)
Cmon kids. Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald couldn't even be impact players with JaMarcus Russell throwing ducks their way!!! Put DHB in a half decent offense and I'm sure he'd have respectable numbers at this point in the season. I hate T.O. as much as the next guy, but do you think his numbers would suck as bad as they do if he was a Saint, Pat, or Colt? Same with DHB. Not saying DHB is T.O. but you know what I mean.
Cmon kids. Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald couldn't even be impact players with JaMarcus Russell throwing ducks their way. Do you think DHB's numbers would suck so bad if he was a Saint, Pat, or Colt? Same kind of deal T.O. is going through. Bad qb play can make any wr unproductive and unimpressive.
Cmon kids. Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald couldn't even be impact players with JaMarcus Russell throwing ducks their way. Do you think DHB's numbers would suck so bad if he was a Saint, Pat, or Colt? Same kind of deal T.O. is going through. Bad qb play can make any wr unproductive and unimpressive.
rod- if you are willing to annoint crabtree over DHB 1/2-way into both of their rookie campaigns, then you show u are just as bad as the media. again, i did NOT endorse DHB the draft pick but i will stand behind DHB the raider and give him time to develop. i think its you who need to be doing a better job of being an actual fan of the team in the sense that all 3 of our 1st round picks the last 3 years u are basically calling for their heads. again, maybe exercising a little bit of patience would be considered prudent here.
herbert- its not about drawing a comparison between JR and DHB, bottom-line, BOTH of those guys WANT to be here and crabtree didn't. he had a sense of relief on his face when we passed on him and his attitude still sucks. again, i didnt want EITHER of these guys - i personally cant believe they didnt just flip a coin between monroe & raji as i was salivating when BOTH were still on the board when we were on the clock. to give-up on DHB right makes no sense to me because we can't do anything about it & he is in what, his 8th professional game without the #1 WR in the line-up and without the best OL. again, im willing to be patient with this kid because quite frankly, we have no other choice.
I agree with you 101% kiff34 those were the two that I wanted Eugene Monroe or B.J. Raji. Size and speed is decent at the WR spot & all but of what good is it if the line on offense or defense is struggling? Both of them had very good reports and it would have helped us out tremendously but this is what we got so in the third season of DHB's professional career we will see a much more polished product. And as far as JR we have to wait a little longer to see what the heck we got.
