Randy Johnson was drafted by the Expos, do you consider him homegrown talent of the Expos. Homegrown talent is drafting a player and builing him as a player in your ORGANIZATION. You don't ship them off and 5 years later take credit for them being a good player. Next time don't go spouting off like you know baseball, stick to the guy hit's the ball and the other guy catches it. Then you wonder why people think Yankee fan's are clueless. Congrats, Pollution - you just demonstrated for everyone just how clueless YOU are, even using your own definition of home grown, you show that you don't know the slightest bit about what you're talking about. Just another dopey fantasty dork pretending that you understand the game because you know that Player X hit 35 doubles in 2003, I'll bet.
Mike Lowell has 15 career at bat's with the Yankees , Rivera played in 88 games, Thames...13 career at bat's. Seriously?? Homegrown talent?? Do you understand what that mean's? Just because you draft a player and give up on him after 8 games dosen't mean homegrown talent. Look at your definition above, genius.
Mike Lowell was drafted in the 20th round by .. who was it? That's right, the Yankees. Did you know that? Was that bit of information in your Baseball for Dummies handbook? Lowell then spent 5 years in the Yankee farm system before being brought up and dealt. Did you know that, McFly? Sure sounds like "home grown" as you define it above.
Juan Rivera was signed as an amateur free agent by .. hmmm ... was it the Yankees? Yes it was! He then spent five years in their minor league system "growing" before being brought up, and having a few hundred at bats with the Yankees over a couple of years. Sure sounds like "home grown" by your definition.
Marcus Thames was drafted by the Yanks and spent five years in their farm system to start his career. Do you ever get tired of being so incredibly wrong? Maybe know a little about what you're talking about before speaking, please. Otherwise, have mommy write your next post, because she must understand the game better than you and you're just embarrassing yourself and, by extension, Phillies fans, most of whom are a whole lot smarter than you.
And you shouldn't be too proud to refer to Cole Hamels as "talent." One reasonably good season (though, not even close to the seasons Wang had) followed by a lousy season and quitting on your team in the World Series isn't quite "talent" as others have discussed it on this thread.
the Yankees farm system is a joke why do you think they spend 400 million every year to buy players...i would hate to be in the minors for the yanks cuz they know they will not be given any chance at playing for the yanks...phillies on the other hand have to be excited about the 5 5 stars players they have for the future..the future looks bright for the Phillies! couple of years and the phillies could be even better then the team they have now which is insane!
the Yankees farm system is a joke why do you think they spend 400 million every year to buy players...i would hate to be in the minors for the yanks cuz they know they will not be given any chance at playing for the yanks...phillies on the other hand have to be excited about the 5 5 stars players they have for the future..the future looks bright for the Phillies ! couple of years and the phillies could be even better then the team they have now which is insane! Obviously, you know nothing about the Yankee farm system, or about what the Yankees spend on payroll, but that's okay. You'd better hope that these "stars" of the future pan out a little better than guys like Hamel (who quit on his team after being a one-year wonder), because the current Phillies team just wasn't quite good enough to get the job done. Maybe if some of those home grown guys like Rollins and Howard and Hamels had, you know, shown up and gotten a couple of hits, they might have fared better. The Yankee home grown guys like Jeter, Posada, Mariano and Pettitte did pretty well, though. Yankee farm system 1 - Phillies farm system 0.
OK so what is your point, Lowell, Thames, and Rivera spent a few years in the minors. Again hundreds of player's play in minore league system's and flourish on OTHER teams. So since Mike Lowell played in the Yankees minor league system in 1995 and had a nice season in 2000 for Florida that can be attributed to the Yankees? OK the Phillies drafted Ryan Sandberg in 1978 and traded him and in 1982 became a stud, are the Phillies credited with that? Dude you came on here rambling about nonsense trying to act like you know the game and just came off like a moron. And what happened to Ted Lilly, when did the Yankees draft him, ahh yea that's what I thought.
So let's see the Yankees traded Mike Lowell to the Marlins for Todd Noel, Mark Johnson, and Ed Yarnall. Thames for a washed up Ruben Sierra. River get's sent to the Expos then the Angels. Please tell me where these player's any impact on the Yankees. And a World Series MVP for Cole Hamels is far from lousy. Face it, you made this big long post that made no sense at all, and now you got your foot in your mouth. And anyway River has had two nice seasons since 2001 and Thames hit 20+ HR's twice and is a career .240 hitter. Are these really player's you would brag about that played in your farm system? That just show's the lack of talent the Yankees can obtain without spending a billion dollars.
Juan River was traded by the Yankees in 2003 and had his breakout season in 2006. man the Yankees deserve some credit there. Marcus Thames is traded in 2003 and has his first OK season in 2006 with 26 HR's, 60 RBI's, and a .256 BA. Lowell was traded in 1999 and the next season made an impact with the Marlins. But as seeing the players they recieved for Lowell they didn't look too high on him. Again your whole point was pathetic.
i dont need to know anything about the Yankees farm system to know tht it cant be that good or you wouldnt need to spend 400 million...and these 5 star players im talking about are better now then any Phillies player was at that time in his career...and hamels didnt quit..and im assuming your talking about the interview where he said he cant wait til the season is over..and if so you obviously didnt hear the whole interview because he didnt say anything bad in it..only fox and espn like to show you a 2 sec clip of what he said...last i checked it was jeter, posada, or petite that beat us..it was matsui! jeter had a good avg but didnt do too much...posada has to be the worst defensive catcher in the postseason..mariano is the man..and pettite was ok..nothing to brag about...im just saying that if you have good farm system and players why do you spend 400 million when you could play them lol? answer that for me
bwaaaaahhh!!! why the simple fact that you clods can't accept defeat. i just ordered a case of pampers cruisers for all the crybaby haters out there. i'll make sure you get a box or two. hehehe!
Mrshak I think your getting a little carried away with the smiley faces. Can I get a judgement on that....yea, wait I think...ye....yes it's a man violation.
yo pollution dont make fun of mrshaks smiley faces..hes a tough man look what he wrote to me:
like i said i'll easily put my foot up your asre anytime, any place, pol. and yup, 4th degree black belt, former amatuer bodybuilding champion, spar with some the best boxers in nyc and bounced in around in some of new york finest clubs. i don't think you don't want get down with the sickness with me. it's best you keep your big mouth close. endquote!
hahahaha Nova....dude I just seriously laughed my a$$ off. hahahah Oh my god shak, are you serious????? Dude that is too funny, that serioulsy is the greatest post I've ever read. "Down with the sickness" hahahahah oh my god. But anyway Ive never seen a big bodybuilder that was a 4th degree blackbelt. Dude he's like Forrest Gump, he's done it all!
I just can't see any bad a$$ kung fu**** bodybuilder using these in his post's.
hehehe crybaby
And yes were getting confirmation that another judgement has come in and ....yes it's the second man violation on Mrshak in 10 minutes. That's more impressive then 27 titles!
hahaha! stalking you? why in the blue hell i wanna do that. dude, you really need to get it together. you're making too many enemies on board. you're a complete joke!
hahaha i know pollution is tht not the best post youve ever read...or hear in your life...i was dying...he should be on tv obviously if he looks like the hulk,fights like jackie chan, and boxes like ali! hahahahahaha its too funny!
There is an story written by Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com on 07/26/09 title home grown talent can be a real boost. I don't know what they used to figure out what home grown means but it says that the Yankee's 25 man roster has the second highest percentage of home grown talent on it this year at 56%. The Rockies were #1 with 64% and the Phillies had a whopping 32% so who's farm contributed more this year the Yankees by almost double. 2010 all Yankees need to do is resign Damon, let Matsui go home, bring up Austin Jackson to play left field, resign Molina, get Wang healthy, resign Pettitte, and get a 5th starter from among Kennedy,Mitre,Gaudin,or Hughes. with this team we can hide Austin Jackson while he develops. all that will drop the Yankees payroll to about 190 million. we don't need any free agents, all we will have on this team is 4 free agents out of 25 players. Almost same team that just won World Series. Oh and the reason the Yankees played so well was for the first time since 2000 they had team chemistry they had fun playing baseball and Cashman made his 2nd best trade ever Nick Swisher his locker room presence made him the MVP OF THE YANKEES Hands down.
Phillies on the other hand need 3-4 starters a closer and 3-4 bull pen pitchers. Boy you guys were lucky Indians traded you lee but in 2011 if he keeps pitching like he did after you got him he will cost you 10 to 15 million. oh and if the 2008 Hamels comes back from outer space you only need 3 starters. Otherwise 4 You could trade for Doc but he will cost 15 million plus a year so 2 pitchers payroll up another 25 to 30 million added to what 115 million now. and kiss three out of five of these 5 tool players you said you have to get doc.so and I know you Phillie fans want doc and may want to lock up lee and a closer puts your payroll at 150 to 160 Yankees will be at 190 not much difference. but only then can you pitch with the Yanks as thats where you lost the WS. Or the Red Sox as They will be loading up after YANKEES won. If Phillies make WS next year thats who you will face Yankees or Red sox oh and I hear they want Doc bad to go with that starting staff. So if Phillies ever want to win another WS they need to add alot of real Pitchers.
Phillies on the other hand need 3-4 starters a closer and 3-4 bull pen pitchers. What 3-4 starters are they implying? They might need a 3rd baseman, if they don't resign Pedro Feliz since they didn't exercise the team option. I could see them getting another starting pitcher and one more arm for the bullpen because I doubt Scott Eyre will return. The rotation will be set then Lee, Hamels, Happ, Blanton, and hopefully a power righty from a trade.
Boy you guys were lucky Indians traded you lee but in 2011 if he keeps pitching like he did after you got him he will cost you 10 to 15 million. oh and if the 2008 Hamels comes back from outer space you only need 3 starters. Otherwise 4Would really like to see how you figured this one out. Like middle school math, we are going to ask you to show your work.
You could trade for Doc but he will cost 15 million plus a year so 2 pitchers payroll up another 25 to 30 million added to what 115 million now. Actually, the payroll will be reduced to about a shy over 100 mil with everything that is coming off the books this year. 9mil for Lee, and whatever Doc's cost is for this season. 2011 is 2011, not 2010. So wait for that situation to arise when it gets there. Phillies right now are about the now. They have enough talent in the farm system to bring up players for the next 3-4 years and still put out a championship calibur team (at least, potentially so...farm system players are never a guarantee in any system).
Phillie fans want doc and may want to lock up lee and a closer puts your payroll at 150 to 160 Yankees will be at 190 not much difference.So we have to pay their salary's twice now?!? Wow, please show your work on this one.
but only then can you pitch with the Yanks as thats where you lost the WS. Or the Red Sox as They will be loading up after YANKEES won. We'll worry about those teams if they make the World Series in 2010.
So if Phillies ever want to win another WS they need to add alot of real Pitchers. Man, you act like they have nobody past Lee and Hamels or any options to back them up.
Did't know about payroll droping was going on 2009 approx 115 million. NOW I Just READ THAT AMARO says 130 to 140 million for 2010He said it in the LEE option article.
Now if Phillies Trade for doc he will get a reworked contract as he is at one year left on the current deal. He is going to want to be at CC's level thats 7 years at 161 million. Thats 22 million per year.
Now You want to keep Lee past 2010 you have to rework his contract from the option at 9 million to say reasonable 15 million yr. He might want C.C. money too at 22 million but we'll use 15 mill. With the low number Amaro is quoting[he said 130 to 140 mill for 2010] 130 million as LEE'S 9 million is out now its 15 million or more now your 130 million plus Lees 15 million puts Philly at 145 million. Then you trade for Haliday rework him he is now 22 million so your now at 167 million. Thats more then I thought but I'm using Amaro's numbers of 130 million I had 115 million but signing a few more pitchers besides doc and reworking LEE. If the Phillies stand pat Amaro says 130 to 140 Million in 2010.
Thats with no Haliday and If they do not rewrite Lee prior to season starting You know he will test the waters. And what I said was that Phillies current Pitching gets you in the WS but no way you beat Yankees with our pitching/hiting combo we allready saw those results this year and we are going to be mostly status quo . And if Philly passes on Halliday, Boston swoops in. Then They would be the next most likly team after the YANKEES to rep the AL in WS 2010. And now the boston rotation would be Beckett Lester Halliday Dice-k and Wakefield. I would not like anyone's chances including the YANKEES in a 7 game series against that rotation. Sorry but I don't think other then Lee that the phillies pitching staff was much. come on your #2 starter in WS is going to be 39-40 next WS and has to get six plus days rest. I'm not dreaming this it was all proven in the 2009 WS. I'll be the first to say that if Philly had equal pitching they would have had a real real good chance of winning the 2009 WS. But I will also say with your same staff 2009 to 2010 and the Yankees mostly same team 2009 to 2010 Philly loses again.
why the simple fact that you clods can't accept defeat. i just ordered a case of pampers cruisers for all the crybaby haters out there. i'll make sure you get a box or two. hehehe!
