This is not a prolonged argument, debat or whatever you want to call it, that I am going to have.
And again stop with the extremes. I am not saying trade the farm or pay 150M. I am saying there were a lot of experenced legitimate veteran 2b.Skins, you play both sides, neither well nor consistent. At least now you have a debatable topic or two.
I have the same problem with copying and pasting.
I wouldn't want Lohse and Saunders. I would want Lohse or Saunders. Basically, one of the two and not both. Honestly, I would just as soon have Dempster, McCarthy, Marcum, Baker or Feldman then Lohse and at least as much as Saunders. Preferably a one year deal is what I'd want but I could live with a two year deal. Lohse would take at least three which is why I'm not sure I'd want him. Dempster wasn't going to happen but the other guys were possibilities.
Arrieta, Britton and Tillman each dominated AAA before coming to the majors. Matusz dominated AA before making it to the majors. They all performed well in the minors and each one was rushed. It didn't work out well even though they pitched so well. I'd like Bundy and Gausman to get enough time to develop that they don't have to rush. Maybe they'd be able to join the club in June but I'd rather let them have another year in the minors and then figure it out in 2014. Why rush them?
The team couldn't have known Brian Roberts would get hurt this badly. That's a chance you take with older players. Thing is that he hasn't done much the past few years. That's why the team has Casilla in the utility role... except that he's never played a full season. Casilla is a utility player. Perhaps Flaherty will have a good few months in the minors and be ready to play in the bigs. But you can't tell me that guys like Keppinger, Izturis and Johnson wouldn't be better options. The thing about Keppinger and Izturis is that they're utility players. If Schoop is able to come to the majors then you use these guys as subs which should be their role.
Machado is a top ten prospect. He's been rushed and it would be good to have another option at third but he's done well in the majors. Our other guys in the minors (aside from Bundy and Gausman) aren't nearly as good and our question marks in the majors all have flaws.
In LF we have a lot of options but nothing that really stands out. McLouth did well for us last year but we had poor production from that position because he joined the team so late in the season. Before then, we had to suffer through guys like Chavez, Avery and Pearce. If McLouth played 120 games then we probably take the division.
You're right. It will be an interesting Spring. We'll know more as the season progresses. Someone from the group of Britton, Arrieta, Johnson, Jurrjens, Matusz will doubtless step up and seize the fifth spot. One of Avery, Hoes, Urrutia (if he's here), Robinson, Valencia, etc will grab a reserve spot. Machado will compete for a shot to be in the majors (but if he does poorly in Spring Training I wonder where he'll end up). As the season starts there will be plenty of competition. If starters struggle they may well be pulled because we've got lots of options.
But if you look at the Nats, Cardinals, Blue Jays, Tigers and Yankees you don't see much of interest. The rotations are set(Tigers have a competition for the fifth starter). The lineups are mostly set(Yankees aren't sure who is playing catcher). They know how things are going to work. That's because they're trying to win a world series and they can't afford to have a questionable piece in a spot. They've got guys they think can succeed.
5. [Jonathan Schoop], 21, Orioles
Where played in 2012: Double-A
Minor-league stats:.245 BA, 14 HR, .710 OPS, 50 BBs, 103 Ks
Schoop's top prospect status is still rooted more in projection than production, so he's entering the put-up-or-shut-up stage of his career at age 21. Or maybe he still has another year or two to go. Considering the Orioles just gave him a full season at Double-A, though, you have to admit they seem pretty anxious to get him to the big leagues. Second base is their greatest area of need, after all. And Schoop has the potential to provide something few second basemen can: legitimate home run power. But again, it's rooted more in projection than production. Mechanical flaws and poor pitch recognition have prevented him from tapping into it so far. Chances are if he's able to correct those shortcomings -- which he may never do -- it won't happen quickly enough for him to make a Fantasy impact in 2013. A late-season call-up wouldn't be unreasonable even with another so-so performance, but is that enough incentive for you to stash Schoop outside of long-term keeper leagues? Probably not
I read several other reports but this one pretty much summarizes them. some are more optimisitc about his power, and some didn't give him as much credit for fielding. He does not rate in the top 100 prospects in baseball. This could be because there are only a couple 2b that do. Again I am not ready to throw the baby out with the bath water, but he also is not a can't miss kid that we are or should be just waiting on.
Odawg apparently you have not read OTM's last few posts. There are no problems and its ok to not have major league starters. We have deep depth coming out or butts. At least one of the teams you mention cannot make the playoffs because we are improved over our 93 wins last year, and a team with 93 wins would have never not missed the playoffs under the current rules. Sit back and enjoy the ride baby!
would have never not missed the playoffs
That's a bit of a bearish report but given that it's from a Fantasy site it makes sense. I agree that I probably wouldn't want to stash him in a fantasy league. Prospect sites are more friendly because he's a promising prospect who may be more than a year away.
The problem I have with many of these reports is that they don't give him enough credit for holding his own in AA while being one of the youngest players. They don't give him credit for having a strong second half in a league that he had no business starting the season in. They don't give him credit for the fact that pitchers stopped throwing him strikes at the end of the season because they were afraid he'd knock them out of the park. Sure, his status may be rooted more in projection than production but it's not like he's done nothing. He showed good pitch recognition at the end of the season... but certainly you need more than one good month. Still, it's a good sign.
I understand that he's not a top 100 guy at this point because people like to see prospects dominate the league that they're in. And certainly he's a very risky prospect. But I'm in love with that potential.
Most second baseman don't make it on the top hundred list because they usually aren't the best hitters and if you're a good fielder than you're probably playing shortstop. They'll switch you over in the majors if you need to move. I don't think Schoop stays at short in the majors though. He has to be at either 2B or 3B. I'd like to have him at 3B and Machado at SS because guys get injured at 2B frequently but if you have the hole at 2B then....
Of course, if Roberts comes back and plays well then there won't be a spot for Schoop in the majors. And with Casilla and Flaherty ahead of him he probably has time. Not to mention we'd probably sign another minor league guy if we had to call up Flaherty.
In regards to 2B, how does anyone here know that Brian Roberts won't perform at a high level all season? He's a $10m player who HAS to play. The team does not have a budget for two multi-million dollar second baseman in case the first one is unable to perform (for whatever reason).
And IMO (that's where the debate comes in), those three along with Casilla and Travis Ishikawa are exactly what this team needed. Trayvon Robinson too. The worst case scenario if they are healthy is that they represent quality depth. That infamous "deep depth" that the Baltimore franchise hasn't had in more than a dozen seasons. Its that depth that proved to be one the key components in Baltimore's improbable postseason berth. The first postseason appearance this century.
In addition, the O's top two prospects are SP's who will make an appearance in the ML this season. And, there's a wildcard too in Tsuyoshi Wada. All of that has to be taken into consideration before bringing in another arm. So, if its not a top of the rotation type pitcher, why bother unless the price and risk is worth it?
You made the playoffs by all the stars aligning last season and a lot of luck. You do make some of your own luck and our bullpen performed great, but they too pitched over their heads. Well over in some cases, and I don't think you can or should depend on that again if you don't have to. If you don't have an every day starter at every position, you owe it to the team to get one.
We're not ready and should not ever be ready to go out and buy a superstar at each position and I have never said that. I simply said that I would like them to go out and find one solid every day player to man a position that was not solid the previous season or seasons. That doesnt sound like a bad strategy does it? You always have weaknesses, you cannot have gaping holes.
It takes a lot of work, a lot of conditioning, and a lot of effort just to maintain your physical abilities to play at a high level when you get there....and multiply that several times over for someone in his mid 30s who has not been able to work out strenuously enough most of the time to work his way back to an MLB caliber athlete.