FREEMAN SUCKS

It's really that simple. When we drafted him, he was basically described as a raw talent/thrower, aka Jamarcus Russel Part II. But no, all you idiots kept telling me, he's good, he studyes, he's motivated, he's learning, blah blah blah. And then he has a decent run last year and, like an idiot myself, I fall for the hype and say I'm wrong. Turns out I should have stuck with my gut, because FREEMAN SUCKS. he might not be as big of a bust as jamarcus russell, but he sucks just as badly, and we will suck as long as hes our qb.

Welcome back DeyDive. Agreed all around.

I was never on the bandwagon for Freeman when we drafted him, you guys can ask my wife, i was screaming at the TV. Then last year i made the mistake of drinking the kool-aid and climbed up on the bandwagon of Josh Freeman. now I am wondering just who the real J. Freeman is. I have put down the kool-aid and taken off the rose colored glasses and wondering what the h-e double hocky sticks is going on.

And you wonder why this board is dead. LMFAO**** at this entire thread.

so u guys think 25-6 was a fluke? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig
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I don't know who the real Josh Freeman is! and seeing as this is his second season as a starter can you prove to me that 25-6 wasn't a fluke? I am not saying get rid of the guy, i want to see consistency, and the only constant right now is the turnovers. same cast of caracters around him so where lies the problem then (Besides Greg Olson)?
Like i said I don't know who the real J.Freeman is, but i do hope it was the guy we saw last season and not the one we are seeing this season.

well apparently that "sprained thumb" Josh had, he messed it up at a shooting range and required 4 stitches. No excuse, he was playing awful before the bye week.

heres some gm philosophy, trade freeman for tebow. tebow sucks and we go a jesus blessed 1-15, but we got rid of freemans salary, and draft a real qb 

Freeman's a 23 year old kid who's still learning the pro game. It's not like Aaron Rogers who was able to sit behind one of the best ever and learn from him. Freeman has had to learn on the fly which is never consistant and this approach has ruined quite a few promising QB's before. In the next couple of years this guy is going to mature into one of the better QB's in the league. Provided that is the Bucs themselves give him the weapons he needs to be successful. They could really use some speed out of the backfield as well as some speed out of the slot receiver. Then maybe we could evalutate his progression or regression a little better. You can't evalute your QB when your receivers lead the league in dropped balls and penalties.

Is there any doubt he is GARBAGE after this week?

at this age Drew Brees had a 69 qb rating. in his 3rd season in the nfl. he turned out ok. yes freeman is playing horrible but u just cant forget everything he did last year. if he has another year like this next year then maybe start looking, but for now stick with him.

Sucked in college, sucked as a rookie, was great last year, sucks this year.

6 years as a starter, sucks 5 out of 6. 

he is 23 years old and is coming off of a 25-6 season and u want him out of here. should the Chargers kick rivers out of san diego cuz u kno he is having a terrible year. its one season, and ur actually holding a qbs rookie season against him? correct me if im wrong, his first start he came back and beat Aaron Rodgers and the Packers. u just dont like freeman, hell when areguing someone on here u were saying kansas state was the only school that didnt want him to be a DE which everyone who has google can look up and see ur wrong. college has nothing to do with the nfl, if it did, then ken dorsey or kellen moore would be the greatest qbs in nfl history. Tom Brady could barely beat out drew henson at michigan, and he turned out just fine.

hey MMA Legend, let's hear some more of your garbage. c'mon, staurday wasn't that bad, you can see some positives right?

freeman is playing like crap right now, ive said as much. but its one bad season. like i said before and ill say it again, there are alot of qbs who had terrible 3rd seasons that still ended up being very good, Drew Brees is one example (i bet the Chargers are mad they gave up on him) big ben also had a terrible 3rd season. ben went from 18-23 his 3rd year to 32-11 his 4th season. all im saying is give freeman another year, if he plays like this next season then lets look for a qb. but he is still so young that alot can change in one season.

Drew Brees is one example

Horrible example MMA. 

Drew didn't play much as a rookie, came in and played ok in his second year and regressed in his third year. San Diego went and responded and drafted Phillip Rivers to take the job from Brees. SD had all the intention of Rivers being the guy but Brees beat him out and had two really really good seasons. At the end of his second great season, he suffered a horrific shoulder injury in the pro-bowl. A lot of people thought he might even retire because he basically had to get the whole thing built back it got hurt so badly.

That's when San Diego let him walk, as would every single team that had a 1st round pick waiting in the wings. Even if Brees was under contract and they didn't have Rivers, they probably would've drafted a QB and cut Brees. His injury was that bad.

big ben also had a terrible 3rd season. ben went from 18-23 his 3rd year to 32-11 his 4th season

Big Ben also had a Super Bowl ring (although he was atrociously bad in that game) and started the year with 0 TDs and 7 INTs through his first 3 games. He went 18-16 the rest of the way which isn't good, but it's not horrible. Ben that year was plagued by bad streaks. He had that 0-7 streak his first three games then had another 2-7 streak later in the year. In those 5 games, he had 2 TDs and 14 INTs. In the other 11, he had 11 TDs and 4 INTs.

In 38 starts, Josh has thrown an INT in 20 of them. Ironically enough, Josh has 21 career losses in those 38 starts. Let's compare numbers in first 38 starts.

• Josh (17-21), 48 TDs, 44 INTs, 3 rush TDs, 8 lost fumbles
• Big Ben (27-11), 49 TDs, 40 INTs, 6 Rush TD, 5 lost fumbles 

So, let's review.

Ben has 10 more wins, 4 more TDs, and 7 less turnovers through his first 38 starts.

Oh, Ben also had a Super Bowl Ring. Ben was draft 6 spots higher than josh was. Ben changed the culture. What's Josh done? 

In the other 11, he had 11 TDs and 4 INTs

Sorry, meant 16 TDs and 4 INTs.

I think you are being too quick on the trigger to throw Freeman under the bus. The guy has only 2 years at the helm and is, in my opinion, done a 50-50 job with mediocre talent. 1 great year and regressed the next due to bad play calling and a plethora of dropped passes, a la Williams and Winslow.

I will say that he has a lot of work to do this offseason. He takes waaaaay to long to get a pass off and needs help on the down field pass. There is little doubt that the players around him respect him and know he is the leader but the kid needs someone to lead him as well.

Get him some talent and a full offseason to develop as a start and he will prove hi doubters wrong. We DO NOT need jump ship every time this team has a bad season. Let these kids grow up and mature first and if that doesn't work then you clean house. 

Drew didn't play much as a rookie, came in and played ok in his second year and regressedet in his third year. San Diego went and responded and drafted Phillip Rivers to take the job from Brees. SD had all the intention of Rivers being the guy but Brees beat him out and had two really really good seasons. At the end of his second great season, he suffered a horrific shoulder injury in the pro-bowl. A lot of people thought he might even retire because he basically had to get the whole thing built back it got hurt so badly.

That's when San Diego let him walk, as would every single team that had a 1st round pick waiting in the wings. Even if Brees was under contract and they didn't have Rivers, they probably would've drafted a QB and cut Brees. His injury was that bad.

Brees is a perfect example. He wasn't given the time to develop, and the Chargers waisted another pick on a QB because of it. You may argue that Rivers wasn't a waisted pick because he's a good QB, but I'd argue that he was because Brees is a better QB and you drafted a QB to replace Brees rather than drafting a difference maker at another position. Larry Fitzgerald or would have been a nice addition to the 2004 Chargers, wouldn't you agree?

And Brees was going to be traded regardless of that injury, and was still heavily in demand. Rivers basically had to be the heir apparant. You don't draft a QB 1st overall to trade him in favor of the QB you drafted him to replace.

Big Ben also had a Super Bowl ring (although he was atrociously bad in that game) and started the year with 0 TDs and 7 INTs through his first 3 games. He went 18-16 the rest of the way which isn't good, but it's not horrible. Ben that year was plagued by bad streaks. He had that 0-7 streak his first three games then had another 2-7 streak later in the year. In those 5 games, he had 2 TDs and 14 INTs. In the other 11, he had 11 TDs and 4 INTs.

They won the Super Bowl because of Ben? That's a bit of a stretch, dude, and nobody is buying it. If Josh Freeman were QB of the 2004 Steelers, they still win the Super Bowl.

In 38 starts, Josh has thrown an INT in 20 of them. Ironically enough, Josh has 21 career losses in those 38 starts. Let's compare numbers in first 38 starts.

• Josh (17-21), 48 TDs, 44 INTs, 3 rush TDs, 8 lost fumblesll
• Big Ben (27-11), 49 TDs, 40 INTs, 6 Rush TD, 5 lost fumbles 

So, let's review.

Ben has 10 more wins, 4 more TDs, and 7 less turnovers through his first 38 starts.

I like the fact that you are comparing the stats, because it lets us see 1st hand that they aren't that different. If you honestly think the reason that Ben won 10 more games was because of the turnover and TD differential you are mental. The Steelers are a better team. Wins and losses shouldn't even enter into your analysis. They are only there because you obviously have an agenda, but again, not buying.

Oh, Ben also had a Super Bowl Ring. Ben was draft 6 spots higher than josh was. Ben changed the culture. What's Josh done?

 
The SB ring and draft spot are irrelevant. And Ben didn't change the culture in Pittsburgh. Only someone with zero clue about Steelers football would make such a statement.

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