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December 28, 2011 3:56 pm

Since the board seems to be talking less and less about this season as the weeks go on, and almost no talk for the last 2-3 weeks, I figured that we could look at what is coming. I am tired of draft talk, especially since we have no idea as of yet where we pick, but we do have players who contracts are coming up.

So who should the Seahawks re-sign?

Raheem Brock, DE
Red Bryatn, DE
John Carlson, TE
Justin Forsett, RB
Breno Giacomini, OT
David Hawthorne, MLB
Marshawn Lynch, RB
Matt McCoy, LB
Clinton McDonald, DT
Marcus Trufant, CB
Charlie Whitehurst, QB 
blstoker1
SinceFeb 20, 2010
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December 28, 2011 4:36 pm

So who should the Seahawks re-sign?

Raheem Brock, DE
Red Bryatn, DE
John Carlson, TE
Justin Forsett, RB
Breno Giacomini, OT
David Hawthorne, MLB
Marshawn Lynch, RB
Matt McCoy, LB
Clinton McDonald, DT
Marcus Trufant, CB
Charlie Whitehurst, QB 

Red Bryant, DE - Definitely, he has a lot of value in our system for sure, but can't overlook adding a solid pass rusher even if he is resigned.
John Carlson, TE - If the price is right, but don't break the bank.
David Hawthorne, MLB - Definitely, he's a solid LB. 
Marshawn Lynch, RB - More than anyone on this list!!
Clinton McDonald, DT - Definitely, quietly had a good year. Especially since his addition meant the subtraction of Kelly Jennings.
Marcus Trufant, CB - Yes, as long as he is willing to take another paycut. That position may have outgrown him, but would be great to keep as added depth.
Seahawks_8_
SinceMar 7, 2007
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December 28, 2011 5:23 pm

Red Bryant, DE - Definitely, he has a lot of value in our system for sure, but can't overlook adding a solid pass rusher even if he is resigned.
John Carlson, TE - If the price is right, but don't break the bank.
David Hawthorne, MLB - Definitely, he's a solid LB. 
Marshawn Lynch, RB - More than anyone on this list!!
Clinton McDonald, DT - Definitely, quietly had a good year. Especially since his addition meant the subtraction of Kelly Jennings.
Marcus Trufant, CB - Yes, as long as he is willing to take another paycut. That position may have outgrown him, but would be great to keep as added depth.
I agree with all of that, but I would also add Breno Giacomini. He has played well for us whenever he has had to step in to start. He is valuable as depth on the line, and he has experience in our block schemes.

Matt McCoy is only a special teamer, and hasn't had as good a year this year as last, so he's a maybe for me.

blstoker1
SinceFeb 20, 2010
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December 28, 2011 6:28 pm

The caveat is the contract and how team friendly they are, but I'd like to get back most all those guys. Most importantly Lynch and Bryant. Isn't Hill a FA as well after the season?
HawksXL1
SinceSep 5, 2006
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December 28, 2011 6:53 pm

I agree with all of that, but I would also add Breno Giacomini. He has played well for us whenever he has had to step in to start. He is valuable as depth on the line, and he has experience in our block schemes.

Matt McCoy is only a special teamer, and hasn't had as good a year this year as last, so he's a maybe for me.



I agree with the Breno Giacomini remark....he has a nasty streak and he is long so nice in a tackle but a very solid backup.

Matt McCoy was on IR since early in the season so would be very hard to repeat last years results.
HawksRock59
SinceOct 30, 2006
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December 28, 2011 7:01 pm

The caveat is the contract and how team friendly they are, but I'd like to get back most all those guys. Most importantly Lynch and Bryant. Isn't Hill a FA as well after the season?
Hill is indeed a FA and one worth re signing, I did not think I would be saying that a year ago at this time. I think you give Marshawn Lynch a very nice fat 2 year contract...anything more then that is dumb the way he runs.

I think Red Bryant is this years Brandon Mebane and perhaps even more important then Brandon. But We have to add a speed rush guy on obvious passing downs, Raheem Brock was okay but no where near as good as previous year. With Red In there it makes teams react to our defence rather then have our defence react to the other team. You might as well throw the ball against Red Bryant cuz you won't be running to that side.
HawksRock59
SinceOct 30, 2006
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December 28, 2011 7:52 pm

Matt McCoy was on IR since early in the season so would be very hard to repeat last years results.
That would explain that. I wonder how I missed that one.

blstoker1
SinceFeb 20, 2010
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December 29, 2011 12:59 am

I would resign Bryant, Giacomini, Hawthorne, and Lynch. Other than those guys I wouldn't care either way...wouldn't sign Trufant though..he is done.
kaehlaone
SinceNov 27, 2006
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December 29, 2011 3:58 am

Definite Resigns:

Marshawn Lynch, RB

Breno Giacomini, OT

John Carlson, TE

Questionable Resigns:

David Hawthorne, MLB

Leroy Hill, OLB

Clinton McDonald, DT

Red Bryant, DE

This is my list. Lynch is going to get franchised if we don't reach a deal. Hopefully we can, however He'll enter the 2013 season as a 25 yr. old RB and Pete Carroll has made it clear that Lynch's style of power running is at the heart of what he wants the Carroll-lead Seahawks to be. I would expect a 4-5 year deal. Giac has been a solid reserve player in the absense of Carpenter; for continuity's sake he should stay. Carlson was once considered a Pro-Bowl caliber talent at the TE position, but each season he's played has been statistically worse than the last. With Miller as the starting blocking/receiving TE, I think it would be great to resign Carlson in order for him to fill Cameron Morrah's role as the second receiving/blocking mix TE.

The questionables are guys that I think we should resign... but guys that the coaches/FO may or may not consider priorities. With the emergence of KJ Wright, either Hawthorne or Hill could end up on the chopping block... not sure both do, so I expect the Hawks to, at the least, sign one and let one walk, if not sign both. Clinton McDonald is a guy the team may or may not bring back depending on how they feel about some of the guys we'll get coming off IR.

Red Bryant is a difficult case. I would actually think of him as a priority signing except for the fact that Im not sure how the staff/FO feels about the DT-sized DE experiment we've done this season. If we bring him back, that might also impact the value of the two LBs that are free agents, since both are smaller, quicker type LBs that struggle with pass rush. We might try and replace them with larger, pass rush type LBs in order to improve the pass rush. Otherwise, expect us to let him walk and target a more traditional style end in FA/Draft.

drackor69
SinceAug 22, 2006
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December 29, 2011 11:55 am

So who should the Seahawks re-sign?
Raheem Brock, DE: I would move on from Raheem Brock. Our entire roster is getting younger, and I do not think we need to lean on a guy like Brock off the bench anymore. We should be able to draft a situation pass rusher in the middle rounds, and hope for some development. The only reason I feel like he is even around is because we have missed on a couple pass rushers in the draft recently.
Red Bryant, DE:
Maybe of all the free agents, I think Red Bryant is the top person on the list that we must re-sign. I don't say that to diminish anything that Marshawn Lynch has done, but I think Red Bryant is a much safer option to sign long-term. I think he a tremendous asset, and would expect similar production moving forward.
John Carlson, TE:
He's a goner. Not that I don't like him, but Zach Miller has taken his spot, and my guess is we won't be re-signing him unless he really signs for the minimum. He shouldn't though. He's worth more, and would be better off elsewhere. This is one that I think we should all feel good about him getting another chance elsewhere.
Justin Forsett, RB:
Similar to Raheem Brock, it's not that I don't appreciate what Justin Forsett has done for us, and the role he has filled, but I'm ready to move on. Leon Washington has earned his role, and also got his contract first. While I'm sure Forsett could back up Lynch just fine, I feel like we need to get a backup with starting potential, just in case. I mentioned this in another thread, I really like how San Francisco went out and drafted Kendall Hunter. Not that Frank Gore needed replacing, but he offered much more potential as a backup, and is probably in line to take over the lead back role when Gore breaks down, or moves on. I would like to see us do something similar in the draft, and that should cost Forsett his roster spot.
Breno Giacomini, OT:
Solid backup. I have no doubts or reservations about him being re-signed.
David Hawthorne, MLB:
He deserves a big pay day too, which is my only concern. I am not as high on him as many people are. I think he has overachieved, and because he is a little undersized, I worry about his ability to keep performing at a high level. If he wants a huge contract, I would move on.
Marshawn Lynch, RB:
So this is going to be the tough decision. I like the idea that others have thought of; franchise tagging him for the next couple of years. I love the way he plays, and I think he is perfect for our team right now. I want him as the focal point of our offense next year, but I do worry about his commitment, and his ability to continue playing at such a high level for much longer. I've already mentioned that I want a Kendall Hunter type draft pick backing him up, and if we go that route, then we may not need Lynch signed long-term. If we do sign him long-term, I hope it is severely back loaded, and something that we can get out of easily after a couple of years. If not, then franchise tag him, and let's see how it goes.
Matt McCoy, LB:
I have no problems re-signing him. He is a special teamer, and has a role.
Clinton McDonald, DT:
Don't know much about him, but DT is an area that I want to upgrade, so if that costs him his roster spot, so be it.
Marcus Trufant, CB:
Another tough decision to make, but he'd have to offer us one hell of a discount to re-sign him long-term. Don't take that to mean that I don't value him, or don't want him back. This one will come down to dollars and cents.
Charlie Whitehurst, QB
: This one come down to CW vs. Josh Portis for me, and I think Whitehurst should maybe get that roster spot. Reason being, while I no longer look at the 1st round for a QB, I do think we should look at drafting a developmental QB in the draft. But so if that does happen, I think you want a veteran presence on the bench, and regardless of what you think about Whitehurst, or what upside you see in Portis, I don't think you can back up Tarvaris Jackson with a developmental rookie and Josh Portis. If there is some other veteran FA QB that fills this role instead, then that is fine too, but I just figure that Whitehurst has been here, and could play a decent role as a backup QB. He should be easy to re-sign for cheap, and continue his role as cipboard Jesus for plenty of years... 
kagezilla
SinceApr 22, 2009
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December 29, 2011 12:15 pm

Charlie Whitehurst, QB: This one come down to CW vs. Josh Portis for me, and I think Whitehurst should maybe get that roster spot. Reason being, while I no longer look at the 1st round for a QB, I do think we should look at drafting a developmental QB in the draft. But so if that does happen, I think you want a veteran presence on the bench, and regardless of what you think about Whitehurst, or what upside you see in Portis, I don't think you can back up Tarvaris Jackson with a developmental rookie and Josh Portis. If there is some other veteran FA QB that fills this role instead, then that is fine too, but I just figure that Whitehurst has been here, and could play a decent role as a backup QB. He should be easy to re-sign for cheap, and continue his role as cipboard Jesus for plenty of years... 
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You might want to hold off on the Whitehurst stuff. The word out of Arizona is that your first choice, good ole Kevin 'Turf Toe' Kolb, might be available.
cotton_malone
SinceAug 19, 2011
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December 29, 2011 12:52 pm

You might want to hold off on the Whitehurst stuff. The word out of Arizona is that your first choice, good ole Kevin 'Turf Toe' Kolb, might be available.
Again, let me know when you make a point, or having anything to contribute. If you want to stretch words, I might as well combat that with you wanting Olin Kreutz to become our featured back/QB/WR, and combo player/coach/GM the way you gushed about him. They both would hold about the same truth in real context...
kagezilla
SinceApr 22, 2009
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December 29, 2011 12:54 pm

And let me beat you to the punch;

Livid
or
Owned
or
Gay Joke
or
some other pointless remark...

See, I covered it for you. You can take the rest of the day off and let your mind relax. You don't have to rack your brains to come up with that witty come-back anymore... I'll just say; you're welcome...
kagezilla
SinceApr 22, 2009
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December 29, 2011 1:02 pm

Now he's responding twice to each of my posts. LOL.
cotton_malone
SinceAug 19, 2011
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December 29, 2011 1:20 pm

Option #4 it is...
kagezilla
SinceApr 22, 2009
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December 29, 2011 3:02 pm

Red Bryant: I agree with you completely Kage..this is the guy I want resigned the most. He is an anchor and should have been considered for the Pro Bowl although he doesn't have the sack numbers needed from a DE typically.

Marshawn Lynch: I would absolutely resign him but I wouldn't give him Top 5 money by any means. I think they could work out a fair deal for both Marshawn and the team.  I would look to draft a change of pace back in the draft as well.

David Hawthorne: I would absolutely resign him and I don't think the emergence of KJ Wright, while I agree has been impressive, would have anything to do with it. They traded Aaron Curry to open the spot for KJ.

Breno Giacomini: I would like to see Breno back as long as the numbers are right. While I don't want to be using him as a starter longterm, he is a solid backup which is always important to have.  He also is a "nasty" player which is good for the team.

Clinton McDonald:  Don't really have an opinion on him..he has played well from what I have read but I don't really know for sure.

John Carlson: I do think that Carlson has talent but just doesn't fit with this team...I would expect him to go.

Charlie Whitehurst: I would rather have Portis than Whitehurst to start with. My guess is that Football Jesus goes away and that we draft a guy at QB, not in the first round, and/or sign a veteran backup.

Marcus Trufant: I wouldn't bring him back for any price.  His age and injuries have caught up to him and I don't think he is able to be effective anymore. This pains me being a Cougar but its the truth..all players age.

Brock, McCoy, Hill, and Forsett:
 Move on from this group of guys as we can get similar or better production for less money while freeing up cash for other players.

kaehlaone
SinceNov 27, 2006
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January 3, 2012 6:58 pm

Marshawn Lynch

Michael Robinson

Paul McQuistan

Breno Giacomini

David Vorbora

David Hawthorne

These are the guys that, IMO, are the priority signings in the offseason. I took Carlson off the list and added Hawthorne. Red Bryant are Leroy Hill are guys that I might add depending on what the team wants to do with the defensive scheme.

drackor69
SinceAug 22, 2006
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January 4, 2012 8:24 am

 but I think Red Bryant is a much safer option to sign long-term. I think he a tremendous asset, and would expect similar production moving forward.
I agree that Red Bryant is a must sign but I don't agree that he is a safer long-term option. The man is 2 years older than Marshawn Lynch, has a history of injuries and he weighs close to 340lbs. (I don't care that he's listed at 320, if you've ever seen the guy you know he's a few big macs over 320). I'm not saying either are safe long term options but to say Red Bryant is a "much safer option" is a bit of a stretch. I could easily see him getting IR'd at any moment of the season. Marshawn Lynch? Not so much.

David Hawthorne, MLB: He deserves a big pay day too, which is my only concern. I am not as high on him as many people are. I think he has overachieved, and because he is a little undersized, I worry about his ability to keep performing at a high level. If he wants a huge contract, I would move on.
I think Hawthorne is a goner. I like him as a player and I'd like to see him here for another year but the fact of the matter is he does not fit Pete Carroll's mold. As you mentioned he's a bit undersized and I just don't see him as the leader or captain you look for in a middle linebacker. I don't know but for me it always seems like a great defense has a top tier middle linebacker. Not anything against David Hawthorne but I just don't see him as that guy. Middle linebackers seem to be a dime a dozen, giving only an above average middle linebacker a large contract is not a good idea in my eyes. If he accepts something short go for it, if not move on.

Actually what I would like to see is the Seahawks give David Hawthorne a short term deal and move him over to will. That way Pete can draft his huge, fast star middle linebacker while Hawthorne gives solid production from the WILL spot. I believe Hawthorne's numbers were better playing at mike but in reality he's better in coverage at will.

Marcus Trufant, CB: Another tough decision to make, but he'd have to offer us one hell of a discount to re-sign him long-term. Don't take that to mean that I don't value him, or don't want him back. This one will come down to dollars and cents
Everyone has been talking about how they would move on from Marcus Trufant but I would actually give him a 1 year deal. Simply because I know he will sign for cheap (he's lived here his entire life and loves it here) and he would give us great depth. I'm not saying sign him so he can be our #1 CB anymore I'm saying sign him at put him at #3. Honestly I don't think his play has been that bad past few years at #1 so putting a #1 caliber at #3 is a good deal for the Seahawks IMO.

Charlie Whitehurst, QB: This one come down to CW vs. Josh Portis for me, and I think Whitehurst should maybe get that roster spot. Reason being, while I no longer look at the 1st round for a QB, I do think we should look at drafting a developmental QB in the draft. But so if that does happen, I think you want a veteran presence on the bench, and regardless of what you think about Whitehurst, or what upside you see in Portis, I don't think you can back up Tarvaris Jackson with a developmental rookie and Josh Portis. If there is some other veteran FA QB that fills this role instead, then that is fine too, but I just figure that Whitehurst has been here, and could play a decent role as a backup QB. He should be easy to re-sign for cheap, and continue his role as cipboard Jesus for plenty of years...
Based off of what I saw from Charlie Whitehurst I don't feel that he is really even capable of being a #2. I don't feel Josh Portis is either. I'd sign a vet for the #2 spot (assuming Tarvaris Jackson is the starter next year).
seahawksfan234
SinceOct 14, 2007
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January 4, 2012 6:08 pm

I read somewhere that carrol is grooming kj wright to be the mlb. If thats the case i find it hard to believe both hawthorne and hill will both be back, i guess they could though. Id want to have both back.

Id like to have lynch and bryant back also but i have a feeling they both are going to want too much money. Id take trufant back to but for real real cheap as hed be our 4th best cornerback but could add nice depth.

If the price is right id also take a shot at carlson, i wouldnt mind overpaying for hiim a little either.
WESTCHAMPS4EVER
SinceMay 13, 2008