I'll take me some Matt Flynn, thank you

Obviously Matt Flynn is benefitting from being in a great organization, excellent supporting cast, and having been behind a good QB in the same system for four years.  But there is no denying his development and what he can bring to the table.  He would fitperfectly in the Redskins offense. 

I think, as many of you already have and do, the Redskins need to pony up some of that money they have clear up in cap space and pay Flynn to get him here in a Redskins uniform.  I would have to assume that we would have to go off Kevin Kolb's contract, similar situation and all, which is 6-year $65 million and $21.5 mill guartanteed.  Sounds like a lot, but when you are looking to solidify an important position, you take out your wallet.  And with all the criticsm that Shanahan and Allen maybe getting, one thing is for sure - they have done a fantastic job at fixing the cap.  And with the rookie wage scale in place, it allows them to trade down and save even more money.  Perhaps they pick up Ryan Tannehill in the 2nd round to develop behind Flynn.

If Matt Flynn comes with Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, Jermichael Finley and the rest, I'm all for him.

I'm tired of this team trying to take other people's players and expecting them to save them. I want a fresh QB that his hand picked by this staff. If they bring Flynn in and he bust then it's the same as the Donovan McNabb situation and another excuse.

Kevin Kolb looked good too until he had to be the man. Flynn playing good today doesn't mean he'll have the same results with the Redskins.

I agree, we still need to draft Robert Griffin or Andrew Luck.

Signing Matt Flynn is completely different that drafting for Donovan McNabb.  He is a young QB that has shown a lot of promise.  I understand the reservations because he is on a talented filled team.

And if the Redskins are still in position to draft RG3, Luck is out of the question, I'm all for it. 

Again, I still want Ryan Tannehill in the second round.

I haven't seen enough of Matt Flynn to say he has shown great promise, he played fantastic today and I think he played one other significant game when Rodgers was hurt a last year.

The guy has thrown 88 passes coming into today's game and started one game. With players like Kevin Kolb or Matt Cassel you had multiple starts and some idea that these guys might be able to produce long term.

But 2 starts with one great game and one that was just okay last season doesn't make me believe this guy can be a legit starter or is worth 60 million dollars.

I'd rather roll the dice on trying to get a rookie and see what he can do, then to overpay for a guy who has no real experience as a full time starter.

I'm not advocating the Redskins do not draft a QB - no matter who they sign.  I simply want someone, a veteran, other than Rex Grossman who can come in have some sort of an impact.  No, Matt Flynn hasn't had enough experience to make anyone over confident that he can be the franchise QB and that's why I would never trade for him.  But as a free agent, I would love to sign him.  Even if the sign him and give him starter money.

The Redskins have the 6th round pick in the draft.  If they want Robert Griffin III, they would like have to move up to the fifth to trade with the Browns.  Last years fifth overall pick got $18.42 millon.  So this year it would be $20 mill.  If they are able to draft RG3, they justify paying Flynn starter money as well as paying RG3, back up money.  They have a ton of cap space. 

I watched the game and saw enough to know the guy can think on his feet, which is the most important thing in the WCO. EH made his reads and he hit his man in stride. He has good arm strength and remember even though GB does have a good team around him, they still have no running game. I am all for getting him and then not drafting a QB until later in the draft, then keep Rex too. You use your draft pics to shore up the other weak positions and the worst case scenario has you with Rex at QB again with a much better supporting cast.

I would love to keep that pick and use it on a game breaking WR or A pro bowl LT and move Williams back to his natural position on the right side. Flynn is anything but somebody elses castoff. He is just a guy that was drafted for insurance, and ended up being behind a great QB, just like Rodgers was.

Until today though Flynns price was probably a lot lower. I am guessing he made about 20 million or so today.

So we are sure Jax picks after us? It's really too bad we had to beat the Giants. We could be looking #4 and really having a chance at RGIII without moving at all. Of course the only way to be sure would have been to still trade with the Rams and give something up to make sure Cleveland, Miami, KC, Seattle, NYJ, or someone else didint swoop in ad steal him.

In case you are wondering about the cap. Close as I can tell we are at about 83M committed, the cap is expected to be about 125M, and we get to carry over about 12M that for some reason we either didnt use, or guys did not meet expected incentives. The old CBA did not allow the carry over but this one does so we have roughly 54M to resign our own FA, and then sign FA and draft picks.  Ithink the wild card is we have much money to spend in FA is Landry. If we don't resign him then we will be in good shape after resigning Fletcher, Davis and Probably Lichtensteiger which I am guessing will take about 18-20M per year. 10 you give Flynn, 14 you spend on a C, ILB or CB, and the last 10 on your draft picks. Wow that is easy hu? LOL

I'm still a Luck first, RGIII second guy.  I think thats even more imperative as some QB's elect to stay in school.  Worth it to trade up even if the cost is a little high, the potential benefits outweigh those risks.  

However if we do go the route of a Flynn, I could see that as long as a QB is drafted in another round to be groomed.  Whoever pans out  is the QB.   

I've been a Matt Flynn advocate since the summer. And there have been many reasons to do so that developed during the season. Even if we do draft RG3, Andrew Luck, etc, do you reall want either of them hanging around Rex Grossman? Not a chance. The BEST scenario the Redskins do is FA Matt Flynn, draft Olineman or a 6'3"+ WR, and pickup a QB in the third or fourth round, use Flynn as a serviceable QB (more so than Rex or John Beck) and build that line, draft those CB's, and find those appropriate weapons to throw to, THEN begin using your franchise QB. Heck, Matt Barkley will be coming out next year, this year DOESN't have to be the year.

Alshon Jefferey PLEASE!

I've been a Matt Flynn advocate since the summer. And there have been many reasons to do so that developed during the season. Even if we do draft RG3, Andrew Luck, etc, do you reall want either of them hanging around Rex Grossman? Not a chance. The BEST scenario the Redskins do is FA Matt Flynn, draft Olineman or a 6'3"+ WR, and pickup a QB in the third or fourth round, use Flynn as a serviceable QB (more so than Rex or John Beck) and build that line, draft those CB's, and find those appropriate weapons to throw to, THEN begin using your franchise QB. Heck, Matt Barkley will be coming out next year, this year DOESN't have to be the year.

Alshon Jefferey PLEASE!

I think Matt Flynn has a real chance to be a solid QB for someone ala Matt Shaub, but I'm just not sure yet if he's the right guy for the Redskins.   Everyone saw enough of Shaub with the Falcons to really know he was actually good and made his team better and dealt well with adversity. But this guy is riding the coattails of a great team in the Packers,  and then, yeah, Kevin Kolb's stupid contract...yet we honestly have no idea how he'll succeed with a mediocre team like the Redskins or in the Shanny's system.

The only reason I would shy away from this guy, and to me, its a big one, is the cost this guy will be wanting because he's played for a championship team.  I think it would be a huge roll of the dice as far as paying this guy what he's going to want because of all the hype he's getting.  I know for certain some team will overpay this guy and that's something the Redskins seriously need to stop doing.  The Cardinals got their ass completely burned...of course, that's because they also traded the equivalent of two 1st round picks for Kolb, but still, you think they would've gotten SOMETHING out of this guy for that.  And lets not forget Matt Cassell yet either...he's hasn't exactly made a successful transition since he left the Patriots.

Considering our situation, however, I would love to have him and our 1st or 2nd round QB Tannehill like you say rather than Rex Grossman and John Beck being 1 & 2.   And who knows, this could actually work out for the best if RGIII is off the board by the time the Redskins pick and we might be able to draft the best WR (we need a #1 bad) or trade down and get more picks for more starters.  

But if the goal is to get a franchise QB, the draft is the place to do it.  Just about every superbowl team in the last 10 years, save the Saints, Buccaneers, and Ravens have won with a franchise QB they've drafted.   The Saints lucked out with Drew Brees...the Chargers were idiots to let him go.   And the Bucs and Ravens had world class defenses.  I'm not saying we can't do that but the trend to prolonged greatness in today's NFL is finding that franchise QB guy.  

The question is, would you seriously pay a guy that kind of money because you watched him do well in just two games?

I'm still a Luck first, RGIII second guy.  I think thats even more imperative as some QB's elect to stay in school.  Worth it to trade up even if the cost is a little high, the potential benefits outweigh those risks.  

Yeah, but the cost to get Andrew Luck isn't going to be a 'little high'...its going to be RIDICULOUSLY HIGH and the Colts aren't going to trade him.  I wouldn't if I were them especially with Peyton Manning being on the 'End of Career Gimp' list.

It continues to blow my mind why people can't see just how good Matt Flynn is. Yes, the guy was playing on a great team with some great players, but you don't throw for 480 yds and 6 TD's without a lot of that being what he did. Did anyone watch the game? Did you watch the game he played last year against the Patriots. His passes are crisp, they're on time and he throws a pretty deep ball.

As far as I'm concerned, he's the only FA QB we should even talk to. Unless it's as a backup to Flynn.

I agree, we still need to draft Robert Griffin

Again, this kind of thinking cracks me up. Griffin might very well be a one year wonder and than come to the NFL and be another Vince Young. I highly doubt Shanahan will take Griffin anyway. He just doesn't seem to be the type of QB Shanahan goes for.

Now I wouldn't have a problem trading up for Luck, but not if it's going to cost us the farm. This team still needs a lot of pieces. So I think we sign Flynn in FA and than use the draft picks to continue to improve the overall talent and depth on the team.

We can sign someone else to be a backup to him and draft a project QB later in the draft.

BTW For every Kevin Kolb or Matt Cassel who went to another team and failed, there are guys like Brad Johnson or Rich Gannon or a few others I could name who played very well and took their teams to the playoffs and in the case of those two, to Super Bowls.

Sure, it's a chance you take, but I'd rather take a chance on a "known" quality over a "unknown" quality rookie who might be the next Cam Newton or the next Vince Young. There is no guarantee that Flynn will come here and play great, but there's also no guarantee that Griffin will be any good at the NFL Level. I'd rather take a chance on Flynn.

I guess we'll find out once FA starts what they're going to do.

Did anyone watch the game? Did you watch the game he played last year against the Patriots. His passes are crisp, they're on time and he throws a pretty deep ball. 

Good points.  But I really want to see him do it against the NFC East's pass rush behind a swiss cheese Redskins O-line before I blow the load on him.  He's going to need more than that to succeed here but I think he would be a much needed addition either way...I'm just not sure the cost he's going to be asking is going to be worth it.

Ok here is the thing. You simply cannot assume that our OL will not be much improved. The Coach and GM have both stated on multiple occasions that the focus up until now has been to get the defense back in shape with the 3-4, and now thatar trning their focus to the offense. Everyone knows that we need at least 2 quality OL and probably 3, not to mention finding a long snapper. I believe the O-line will be addressed, especially if we don't have ot use a high draft pick on a QB. I think you would even be surprised at he difference in Rex at QB if he weren't running for his life, and if he had a running game he could depend on, again with a better OL. 

Sorry Wolf but your Beck praise, that you still have not admitted you were dead wrong on, sounds a lot like your Flynn praise so it isn't really carrying a lot of weight right now. However I do think GB's success is more about the QB play than you all are giving them credit for. They have no running game to speak of so everyone knows they are going to pass, yet they are still able to do it. I don't think Flynn was a secret before yesterday anyway, he simply reenforced that he is the top FA backup QB this year. I do think he will get paid, but I don't think he will break anyones bank, however with the rookie pay scale, some teams will overspend on a FA with their newfound cash. And as for us having to stop overpaying blah blah blah. You haven't been paying attention the last few years. This front office has been a responsible custodian of the draft picks and the salary cap. There are only a handfull of teams that will have more money to spend this off season than us. We should be 54 million under the propsed cap as of today, and maybe higher if the cap goes above the 125M of last year. We can afford to overpay a few million a year for the most important position on the field.

We should have another advantage if we are trying to get OL thanks to the new CBA and that is the rookie pay scale. Some teams shyed away from reaching for skill players (RB/WR/QB/CB) high in the draft because of what they would have to pay them for a first round pick that might be a bit of a reach, so if they had two positions of need and one was an OL, they often took him higher because they could pay him less than a skill position, and then waited and got the skill position later in a lower pay round. Now you are pretty much protected and can afford to take whoever you want. No more 80M Bradford contracts for rookies. I think this means more teams will reach for skill positions in the first round, and good OL will fall to the second and third rounds than before. Unfortunately it also means some teams may reach for a QB early because they won't get burned as bad salary wise if they fail or don't play. I thin kthat is waht happened last draft as teams moved in front of us to pick QB's because they were not going to have to overpay them and hurt the rest of their cap. 

I feel like I need to say something about Flynn and his game vs New England last year.  While he did have a good game against them (24-37, 251, 3 td's, QB rating of 100.2), he also had 2 turnovers (1 int and 1 fumble) that game and was sacked 5 times.  New England won 37-21.  The previous week against the Detroit Lions was average (15-26, 177, 1 int) but the point is the Lions were bad last year and the Packers lost that game 7-3.  Believe it or not, I was a fan of Flynn's coming out of college.  My thought was he was a good game manager that wasn't going to lose you many games (aka old Big Ben).  I'm just worried he's going to be like Kevin Kolb and like stated earlier, it's VERY risky to pay a guy that much for so small a sample.

QB should be priority #1 in my opinion.  Order of preference may be different for others, but my order would be Luck (not likely), RG3(might have to trade up for him, reasonable), Flynn (FA), Tannehill (trade back-still not sold though), Weeden (could target other needs and draft him in the 3rd-4th round).  Either way, this might be one of the most interesting drafts in a long time...drama wise.

Here's the link for his game logs on Flynn:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players
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A couple short comments about some of the posts here.  Short because I don't have too much time now. But I'm loving this thread, lots of good points made and some ideas given.  

I'm an idiot I know but I've never tried to show a prior posts comment on here, you know, in the green box, and don't have the time to figure it out now, so I'll just comment randomly on prior posts.

#1--I know the asking price for the #1 pick will be huge.  But if this kid is supposed to be the surest thing since Peyton Manning, well, I would have given 3 or 4 first round picks for Manning, of course hindsight in play there.  So if that is what the experts say  about Luck...

#2- The Chargers don't look too great for the give up on Brees deal, but remember at the time Brees started to come on and they had Rivers who was sitting the bench ready to get in.  Really two franchise QB's and they had to make a choice.  Rivers has done a good job(down a bit this year).  I know he can't touch Brees numbers and Drew has the SB.  But its not like Phil has been a disaster.  And don't think it's automatic that if Drew stayed SD would have a title.  Hey, WE should know that even Brees may not be able to overcome Norv's coaching. 

#3-  I'm not seeing this guys name on here, but if we do go the Flynn and 2nd or 3rd round qb route(which I am not overly opposed to, would still love Luck or RGIII though) what about Blackmon for that #1 wr spot with that #1 pick??  If he was mentioned and I missed it sorry bout that.

#4-- Just to tell the truth, Wolfe did admit the Beck thing didn't go very well.  I was one who was in a bit of a back and forth over Beck and Rex with Wolfe(Wow, think of that now, wasn't it kind of like arguing about what you would rather a headache or a toothache), and I remember him stating a few times that it didn't go well.  Just giving credit where its due Wolfe.

#5--Speaking of free agent QB's next year, Kyle Orton fits that description.  Is he better than Flynn? I don't know.  BUT he is another option for a starter if we do the draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd and wait a year or two or three for him to develop.

OK not too short,  but check out Blackmon tonight and see.  I'm not saying he's what we should do hands down, but worth a look.

Oh by the way I was at the game Sunday and for most of the time you could hear a pin drop in Lincoln Financial.  It was fun to have the Eagle fans as miserable as myself this late in the year for the first time in a while.  Later all. 

Gray box .. not green ....I knew that

IBleed? Where'd you get the pic of Booker ThatLSK?