Redskins have the 6th pick in the draft

I'm of the mindset that we draft the tackle from USC and have him start at RT.  If Trent Williams doesn't improve, switch the two.

I'm of the mindset that we draft the tackle from USC and have him start at RT.  If Trent Williams doesn't improve, switch the two

Ibleed,
I think 75% of the people on this board would tell you your nuts and trent williams is great, at leats thats the arguments I always get


I don't know that Mike Shannahan is ready to admit that his 1st pick with the Redskins is a failure (I don't want to say bust because Robert Gallery succesfully switched to guard and became a pro bowler)

but even if he was remember trent williams was the first tackle taken but not the highest ranked.  Everyone said that Russell Okung was the best tackle in the draft, but trent williams fit shannahans system better.
i wouldn't say either one was a good pick yet... I am just saying the the USC RT might not fit shannahans scheme

How are you saying that Trent Williams is already a failure, I mean yea the whole getting high thing is a bit ridiculous but he's not a bad player.  Did you just expect since he was the 4th overall pick that he would just come in and never surrender a sack?  He's gotten consistently better every year and has played very well against some of the elite DE's he faces.  He's not a top 5 OT yet but I would definitely consider him as a top 10 guy.

I posted this elsewhere, but this may be a more appropriate thread:

Take it for what its worth, but that Kiper nutjob has RG3 going #4 to the Browns. Richardson to the Bucs paves the way for Claiborne (sp?), CB out of LSU to the Redskins. I'd rather us trade back and get a WR with a mid 1st round pick and possibly move back into the 1st to take a QB or acquire a higher 2nd rounder and another later rounder and take a QB in the 2nd. I'm fine with the Skins signing Flynn, so long as they also draft a QB. A QB must be drafted if not for competition, but as a backup plan as well.

However, if they take a CB i  wouldnt be devastated since the secondary is the weakest part of the D imo, but I'd rather take a WR and then a QB with out first 2 picks. I just think QB, WR, OL are bigger needs. I wouldnt even be opposed to a an Olineman and a QB. Skins need the most help on offense, so i would rather use those first pew picks to address those needs instead of the defense.

It all comes down to the Skins philosophy, take BPA or address a need?

Will be interesting for sure, especially with FA set to begin relatively soon.

how are you saying that Trent Williams is already a failure

is this directed towards me?

I guess I wasn't clear.  I think if mike shannahan drafts a tackle with the 6th pick 2 years after drafting a tackle with the 6th pick, he will be sending the message that the 1st tackle was a failure of a pick.

I don't think trent williams is a failure...yet  but, its probably getting close.  in the third year of his career any top ten non-QB draft pick should be playing at close to a probowl level

I would love it if they picked a tackle and in no way would I consider it an admission of anyone being a failure except possibly Brown. Williams was primarily a RT in college. He played LT only one year. His first year he played like a rookie in one of the most demanding positions on the field. In the second year he was much more solid, while still basically surrounded by backup players most of the year, before the obvious drug situation. Thats it. That's all you have. I would love to get a top LT and move him back to his natural position, where if he didn't get hurt while strengthening the muscles on the other side of his body again, he could be even more successful. We had to get an OL and to this date neither of the top two from that draft have distinguished themselves. I would agree you would want them playing at a high level, but if a guy comes in and has a ten year starting career in this day and age he was a pretty good pick even if he didn't go to the pro bowl. I know you didnt say he had to go, you said at that level, but a solid 10 year starter is hard to come by as well. We might have to wait awhile before we call someone a bust. To me a bust is off your team in three years, not just missing a pro bowl season. 

I have seen in many places us taking a cb with the 6th pick with it split between the Bama CB and the LSU CB with the Tiger haveing the slight edge. I am not sure how I feel about that. On the one hand I prefer we draft offense, but when you draft that high, sometimes you have to take the best player available, especially if it is at a need position which secondary certainly is. You have to assume right now that we use the pick. Once you start trade scenarios then everything goes out the window.

Some want us to stand pat, while others want to trade back and pick up more picks, while still others want to trade too much to move up for Griffin while a few say if you ar already going to overpay for the risky QB then trade even more of your future away but at least get the best guy in Luck. 

I would not trade up for Griffin unles it ws very cheap, and ti won't be. If he drops to me then I would take him for sure. It would take too much to me to move up to get Luck, so that also is not on my radar. For me you either take the best guy available at almost any position with the #6 pick, because when you are as bad as we have been there is lmost no position you could not upgrade here, or you trade down if you can get an extra 1st or 2nd round pick. When you get to that pick there is always a steal of a guy that dripped that nobody thought would, and again it can be at any position. Of course I prefer it be a Center, then a LT then an ILB with three picks in the top two rounds.

And again it is all so premature, because there will be months of FA before the draft even happens as well as out own FA's leaving which creates a whole new set of needs!

Yea that was directed towards you Sampson.

I dont really believe that if we draft a tackle at 6 says that Trent is a failure.  Aside from the QB your offensive line is the most important position on the team and drafting another stud tackle to pair with Trent would be a strong duo for years.  I have gotten the impression that our coaches have been fairly pleased with Trent's progression, how he bounces back after the suspension will really say a lot. 

You also really have to look at who is under center, if we had a better QB with better pocket awareness our offensive line would look much better.  It's clear that since we suck so bad every year no one is paying any of our players any attention, Fletcher getting snubbed from the Pro Bowl is a prime example.  The second we get a good QB under center and start winning some games people will start to notice Williams more.  I payed pretty close attention to him this year and he was a miles better than he played in his rookie year.

I'm saying Trent Williams has this next year to make a big statement as to where he is at as the future left tackle for the Redskins.  He hasn't lived up to his draft pick, but he has done OK and has improved from year one.  I think he still has to make a big leap.  Other than QB, I think the OL is still a major need for the offense.  I wouldn't mind drafting a OL every year to be honest. 

81HOF,
I didn't say he was a bust because he might succeed at left tackle


And yes a solid 10 year starting career is a failure from a top 10 pick.  Top 10 picks need to be impact players
2nd round picks should be solid 10 year starters

14,
I would say you think willaims is playing well because he isn't stephen heyer   Overall williams has been solid nothing more.

I dont really believe that if we draft a tackle at 6 says that Trent is a failure.

you are drafting a replacement for your 6th overall pick from 2 years ago, what does it say if its not saying he is a failure?

. I would love to get a top LT and move him back to his natural position

so you are saying he failed at left tackle or the Trent Williams left tackle experiment failed?

I would love it if they picked a tackle and in no way would I consider it an admission of anyone being a failure except possibly Brown

81HOF,
I love you.  Every guy that I say was a bonehead move by shannahan that District Cof9 sticks up for, you say the same things I do.

Not sure what you mean Sampson. I just write what I think about the topic no matter what others think or write. If I am writing the same as someone else, then it's because they are kind of smart.

I don't think Williams was a bust, but I also don't think he will ever be a pro bowl LT. The two are not mutually exclusive. He is a natural right tackle and Brown was a pro bowl LT. They came here at the same time. They both should have been allowed to play their natural positions instead of insisting that Williams is going to be a LT and making Brown get injured by using the other side of his body as his plant side. If we draft a natural LT then I would switch Williams back to his natural position where he might turn into more than solid, and his speed could be better taken advantage of in this stretch offense, and a natural LT could protect the QB better than he does. My other point was that they had a choice between two LT, and the other guy has not done anything special either. We would have strung them up by their thumbs if they didn't draft a LT in that draft. That's all. 

Williams was better this year than last , and will probably be better next year than this. I don't consider him a bust, and if he never makes a pro bowl but plays 10 solid years, he will have been a valuable player. Solid is good. Not only that it is very tough to get any recognition on the OL as it is, but impossible when you have no QB or running game to make more successful.