I'm taking all bets the Redskins draft Luck/RG3

Here we go men.  It's DC9's third annual taking all bets thread.  And much to the dismay of thatlsk, I am 2-0!  That said, here are the stips:

The Redskins will trade up to get either Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III, and I am leaning heavily towards the former (Luck, for those of you with a Pennsylvania education).

If you care to bet me, I will take Avatar bets for one week for each bet.  Nothing is sacred, except I will not put any Cowboys crap next to my name.

My logic?  It's not difficult.  The Redskins have a ton of talent in place, if you have been watching, this team isn't as far as some of the pessimists think.

Building blocks:

Offense:
Roy Helu
Evan Royster
Trent Williams
Leonard Hankerson
Fred Davis

depth:
Tyler Polumbus
Willie Smith
Jabar Gaffney (yes, he is legit)
Niles Paul

Defense:
Stephen Bowen
Barry Cofield
Jarvis Jenkins
Brian Orakpo
Ryan Kerrigan
Perry Riley
Josh Wilson
DJ Gomes
London Fletcher

depth:
Adam Carriker (iffy if he'll come back, it looks like he's going to be a diva first)
Chris Neild
Doug Worthington
Keyaron Fox


Folks.... that's about 65% there.  Keep in mind, no team in the league is ever 100%, that's where you get the parody.  It's the competative balance.

Now, at the start of free agency, the Redskins will be $50 million under next years cap.  That gives us enough money to go sign about 6 good ball players.

If we can get a #1 Corner, a #1 Wide Reciever, and a 2 interior linemen, re-sign London Fletcher and Adam Carriker, then you will see the Redskins go all in on Luck.

I'm thinking we bring in Carr from the Chiefs on a friendly deal, not huge, but friendly... he will instanty upgrade the secondary.

I'm thinking we bring in Dwayne Bowe or Malcolm Floyd from the Chiefs or Chargers.  This will be the hardest thing to do.

I'm thinking we bring in a couple of veterans on the line (29-31 years old) to mentor the boys we have now like Mo Hurt and Will.  We'll also get Korey Lichtensteiger back on the cheap coming off surgery.

That'll leave us about $19 million to sign our draft picks.  Which we may only have three or so.  But we'll finally have a franchise quarterback.


Thoughts?  Counter thoughts?

Bets?

Gentlemen.... let the offseason begin!


HAIL!

I've been thinking this for a while.  The Colts need help on defense, maybe package D Hall or Landry and our 6th pick and a 4th or something to move up to #1? I'd love to see Luck in burgundy and gold!!

I would love to get Luck however the Colts asking price in my opinion will be much higher than than you propose skins14. I think it will take at least two first round picks and maybe a bit more and that is if the Colts think Manning is healthy and can play another 4 or 5 years.

RGIII is much more likely for us in my opinion. We will still have to pay however not as steep a price. We have some holes to fill and I think we lack depth on offense. We need two G's and a RT. Brown is done as a starter. We also need a C, a WR that is a playmaker and help in the secondary. We need to keep as many draft picks as we can, and fill as many holes as possible in free agency.

I think we might be a playoff contender next year however we still have some big holes to fill before we are a very good team.

I hope that you are correct DC either would be a huge upgrade over Grossman and Beck.

HTTR

Personally, I don't see any way we're able to trade up for Luck and I would be very surprised if we did. Mainly because I just don't see the Colts being dumb enough to not pick him. Sure, they have Manning, but Manning's due $28 million on the 5th or 6th day of the new NFL year. With the way contracts are for the #1 picks, they can let Manning go and pay Luck that over 4-5 years. Of course, they could pay Manning that money and then try to trade him, but who would want to take on that kind of money? My opinion is, they let both Polians go because the ownership is planning on moving on from Manning and taking Luck.

So that leaves us trading up to the #2 pick or the #4 pick for RGIII. The #2 pick would cost us our #1 and maybe our #2 rd pick too. The #4 pick would only cost us our #1 and maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick. After all, it's only 2 spots. I could live with that, but would rather not give up the 2nd if at all possible. Mainly because I'm not as high on RGIII as some of you other guys. lol

If I had my preference, I'd rather see us sign Matt Flynn in FA than trade back from the #6 pick and pick up another 2nd and maybe a later round pick. Depending on how far back we'd have to go. That way we get a QB who I feel is just as good as RGIII, and probably better, at least i nmy own opinion, and we get more picks to continue to build the overall talent of this team.

BTW I like your other ideas about who to pick up DC9. We definitely need a #1 WR and a better CB to take over for Hall. I'd also like to see us trade Landry and get a better SS. I like Landry, but he spends too much time looking for the big hit and not enough time doing his job. Just like Hall is always looking for the big look at me INT instead of just covering his player.

Anyway, I'll take the bet that I don't see them trading up for Luck and I really don't see them trading up for RGIII either. They might take him if he's still there when they pick, but I just don't feel that he is what Shanahan is looking for at QB. Obviously my word means nothing after saying Beck would be good, but that's just the feeling I have. lol

We'll have to check back in a month or so and see how this all works out. ;)

I'll take the bet. The Redskins don't move up for anything, or move down. They stand Pat. And with the Sixth pick they draft one of the following, in order of appearance: (with % chance player will be available)

Andrew Luck-I think he's a QB- (0.01%)
Matt Kalil - OT -(5%)
Morris Claiborne - CB -(20%)
Robert Griffin III - QB -(40%)
Justin Blackmon - WR -(80%)
Alshon Jefferey - WR - (85%)
Dre Kirkpatrick - CB -(90%)
Riley Reiff - OT -(95%)
David DeCastro - OG -(98%)
Michael Floyd - WR - (99%)


Andrew Luck and Matt Kalil won't be there, but you never know until it happens.

Morris Claiborne will likely be gone too.

If RG3 Falls to the skins, I see Shanahan (who doesn't trust the BQB) trading down a few spots with Miami, and looking to draft Alshon Jefferey, Riley Reiff, or David DeCastro.

If RG3 is off the board before their pick, Justin Blackmon is the no-brainer IF we picked up a 6'2"+ WR in FA. (Vincent Jackson, Marques Colston, Dominic Hixon, Dwayne Bowe, Steve Johnson, Robert Meachem, Mike Wallace)

If Blackmon is gone, and Miami Dolphins, Buffalo Bills, or Kansas City Chiefs don't want to trade up, even with our offensive line woes, reaching for Michael Floyd, Alshon Jefferey, Dre Kirkpatrick, Riley Reiff, or David DeCastro won't set the Redskins back.

If the Skins have takers to move back to the mid to late picks of the first round (hopefully for extra 2nd and third round picks) some potential targets are the players already listed (if have fallen) and include WR Reuben Randle, OT Mike Adams, LB Vontaze Burfict, LB Zach Brown, or CB Stephon Gilmore.

But I take the Bet in that the Redskins don't trade up for anyone. I want a Burger and a Brew.
 

how about we take a vote on the dumbest comment


the Colts trade andrew luck for the 6th pick dangelo hall and a 4th rd pick versus

versus redskin building blocks
Roy Helu, Leonard Hankerson, Trent Williams, Jarvis Jenkins with 30 combined starts and 23 of those are from trent williams, who is one more Fred Davis party away from a 16 game suspension
hell lets throw fred davis in there that jumps the total starts up to 63.  but, he is a free agent and is also one more party away from a year long suspension

so 10 combined seasons and 63 starts.  this isn't 1954 when you plaqyed 8 game seasons

and yes i know the argument they were rookies blah blah blah

so lets take a look at that

roy helu 5 starts 15 games
leonard hankerson 2 starts 4 games
jarvis jenkins 0 starts 0 games

3 building blocks with a combined 19 games played

the only thing worse than old and fragile is young and fragile

I doubt the Redskins go after Luck.  It would seem that it would take A WHOLE LOT for any team to move up considering the Colts can be greedy since they have Peyton Manning.

HOWEVER, I do think they make a run at RG3.  I have heard and read a lot that they like him...A LOT!!! 

@LFletcher59 London Fletcher Watching Andrew Luck, thinking how good he would look in burgundy & gold!  

http://twitter.com/lfletcher59

Woooo that boy DC9 is for real.... quick, someone give him a job so he doesn't have to deploy anymore!  lol.


BNG, I don't disagree with your logic.  But it will be one or the other.  I think it will flip flop several times, and honestly I'd be happy with either of the quarterbacks.  I do think, as opposed to most years, the price will go down as the pick get's closer (especially if it's number two).

From what I heard from the FO contact I have, it's going to be something like this for Luck:

2012: 1st, 3rd, 4th (Raiders)
2013: 1st, 2nd, 5th
2014: 2nd, 4th

That's a lot of picks, and that's a lot of depth, but I think if we do what I suggest in Free Agency this offseason, I wouldn't exactly call the above trade a "King's Ransom" if this kid is for real.

Now, I've also heard that Shanny smiles ear to ear each time someone brings up Robert Griffin, III to him.

Also, funny nugget for you, did you see the Redskins blogger say that Rex Grossman is Rex Grossman III?  LOL, that is hilarious.



HAIL!

Okay, so far I have CPT Mastershake and BNERD in here willing to bet.

MS, are you sure you want to be in BNERDs company?

Let me know what avatars you guys want to bet....lol.


HAIL!

i didn't say i would bet,
I actually hope you are right

but i will bet

what do i care about what my avatar is?

i named my team in fantasy footbal Ballon Knot and have the plaque and the championship mug to prove it.

The Redskins will trade up to get either Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III, and I am leaning heavily towards the former (Luck, for those of you with a Pennsylvania education).

Colts are taking Andrew Luck.  I'm 'all in' on that one.   When it happens the loser has to sport a 'Mr. Ed' avatar for a week.

 I'm thinking we bring in Dwayne Bowe or Malcolm Floyd from the Chiefs or Chargers.  This will be the hardest thing to do.

I'd LOVE Dwayne Bowe here...but he's too good of a player and considering our luck with FA's I'm going to say we don't get him.  In fact, I think he's the reason Matt Cassel had decent stats before he got hurt.  I didn't even know he was a FA.  If you're willing to bet on this one the loser must sport the funny KFC logo as an avatar for a week.  

Malcolm Floyd is a likelier option but he's really a #2 WR...he's simply too inconsistent and unreliable.  Might as well bring in Marty Booker or Bernard Berrian.

I think we land Bowe.

From what I heard from the FO contact I have, it's going to be something like this for Luck:
   2012: 1st, 3rd, 4th (Raiders)
   2013: 1st, 2nd, 5th
   2014: 2nd, 4th

It would not surprise me to see the Redskins pull off that trade --- 8 picks for Luck.
My guess is that there will not be too many other teams willing to pony up this much, so the Redskins could get Luck if they swallowed hard.
I would be okay with that trade.

For example, Suppose if in 1998 we had traded for the draft rights to Peyton Manning and we had given up:
     1998: 1st, 3rd, 4th
     1999: 1st, 2nd, 5th
     2000: 2nd, 4th.
Somebody can go back and see which 8 players we got with those picks, but I'm willing to bet that their combined value was less than Peyton Manning. PM has proven to be the difference between being a Super Bowl contender and being 2-14. By all accounts Andrew Luck is in the same class, although we won't know that until AL takes the field in the NFL.

Antzy, the bet is Luck or RG3.  But I will take the Mr. Ed bet for both if you are willing?

Irsay came out and said that the Colts are drafting Andrew Luck earlier today.  The Chris Mortenson reported it.  I don't know if this is for real (because he doesn't have a GM) or if he is just trying to drive up the price on the trade.  Either way, I think there is a reason he got rid of Polian, and it's probably because Polian wanted to trade the pick and roll with Peyton Manning for a few more years or so.

Looks like the only way we get Luck is if he pulls an Elway/Eli.

Should be interesting.  But I maintain, we WILL have one of these two.


HAIL!

Antz, here are your 2012 FA WRs.  Obviously not all of them are going to get away from their teams.

VJax
DJax
Marques Colston
Wes Welker
Steve Johnson
Dwayne Bowe
Reggie Wayne
Maio Manningham
Robert Meachem
Mike Wallace

amongst others....

Other notables are:

Eddie Royal
Jerome Simpson
Braylon Edwards

Dwayne Bowe blows

I'm also thinking we might make a trade up for RGIII, and if the Colts ever think twice about taking Luck at #1, we will be at the fore front of suitors for that pick. Now is the time to take a QB, considering our position in the draft, growth of our young team, year 3 of the rebuild and next year might be harder to get one?

I have a question of DC9, you mentioned Carr from KC, Brandon Carr? Is there a chance that KC lets him walk??? cause he is a great CB and if KC lets him go (Brain explosion) we should try very hard to sign him.

On the WR, I'm not too infatuated with the FA available as I think Bowe (like Carr) will be resigned, VJax and DJax have poor work ethics that go against our new culture of team leaders and hard work.

I think the Redskins need to make a play for a QB in this draft. I like Matt Flynn alot but at this point, but I would rather the Redskins draft our guy.

Now if they are going to trade up and give up alot of picks, I rather do that for Luck than RG3. Don't get me wrong, I would take either one to lead this franchise but Someone mention 8 picks for Luck and I am thinking it is going to take 5 for RG3. So if we are going to risk the farm on a guy, make it Luck. The best possible team to trade with in my IMO would be the Vikings at three cause we have to get ahead of the Browns. I think they are going to pick up RG3 if we don't move up.

Sign note, I would not trade anything for Matt Flynn. I know he is a free agent but the Packers may franchise him and demand a 1st and 3rd round pick for him and I am not in favor of letting a team that is already good better and in the NFC at that.

If we don't get a QB, then we have to use this draft and most importantly, those 5 picks in the first four rounds to really get better at all those position need need to upgrade. No matter what we do, this is the biggest offseason in the past twenty years for the redskins!!

Hail!!!

Antzy, the bet is Luck or RG3.  But I will take the Mr. Ed bet for both if you are willing?

Game.  I'm thinking we'll get neither now that the Browns are going to be jockeying for him.

Hmmmm...lets see:

VJax - Not interested.  The Chargers will probably resign him.  He's Philip Rivers favorite target and Norv Turner, has somehow yet to be   fired.
DJax - I didn't like that he quit on the Eagles but then again, its the Eagles and they are renowned for being the opposite of the   Redskins as far as paying their people.  I think he'd be a good pickup but he probably wants to get paid too much and he's
  too unreliable after what he did.  He probably stays with the Eagles unless someone drastically overpays him (which would have   been us in the Snyderatto era.)
Marques Colston -  Very good reciever...huge TD threat...will the Saints let him walk?  
Wes Welker -  Not leaving Tom Brady for anything.
Steve Johnson - Oh yeah, the Bills guy.  Isn't he the one who dropped that winning TD against the Steelers? I don't know about him and honestly could care less.
Dwayne Bowe - I'd love this guy.  Made even Matt Cassell look good.  Catching stuff from Tyler Palko.  Huge TD threat.  Bnerd's thinks        he sucks (with no proof...obviously).  Underrated.   
Reggie Wayne - Colts aren't letting him walk unless maybe they're going to keep both Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck.   I say they keep him anyways and let someone else walk.
Mario Manningham - Too inconsistent for the money he's going to want.  Very good deep threat...horrible possesion receiver however and we have Leonard Hankerson for that role.
Robert Meachem - Speed reciever/deep threat.  Great repoire with Drew Brees.  Not intersted though.
Mike Wallace - He could be the best of the bunch but I seriously doubt the Steelers let him walk.  He's too dangerous.  Without him Ben would have been dead meat this year.

amongst others....

Other notables are:

Eddie Royal - Who?  Didn't he used to play for the Broncos when they had Jay Cutler?
Jerome Simpson - I seriously doubt the Bengals let him walk after that $20 million flip into the endzone over a player for a score.
Braylon Edwards - Braylon Edwards needs to change his name to Braylon Dropsies.