After Analyzing our potential draft...

a little more closely, I've come to a conclusion. Matt Barkley, Landry Jones, and a few other potential QB's, are returning to school. (that's not the conclusion) 

The Washington Redskins are "Desperate" (so it appears) for a "Franchise QB." It's mostly talk about "Tradeup for Andrew Luck or RG3, or bust!" 

The Redskins would miss a great opportunity by doing this. What should be done, as was done LAST YEAR, is use or trade for more picks again this year, and DON't torch and pitchfork the skins if they do it again.

The conclusion that I feel is the absolute best outcome of this year's offseason, would be to sign Matt Flynn AND Dennis Dixon, with the Legend! John Beck still under contract. And draft your QB LATE, as in an additional late third round pick added, fourth round, or a picked up 5th round. QB's like Brandon Weeden, Ryan Lindley, Chandler Harnish, Case Keenum, and Russell Wilson are all better options than Rex Grossman. Have the four of them Duke it Out in Camp. Matt Flynn would be the only QB that wouldn't fear being cut, but the other three, absolutely. Matt Flynn knows how to be a 6th round pick and knows how to work and perform to make the cut, and can bleed off onto the others. 

This is a repost partly from the Bet thread of DC9, but it sparked my interest on first round priority.

FIRST ROUND:
Andrew Luck and Matt Kalil won't be there, but you never know until it happens. 

Morris Claiborne will likely be gone too. 

If RG3 Falls to the skins, I see Shanahan (who doesn't trust the BQB) trading down a few spots with Miami, and looking to draft Alshon Jefferey, Riley Reiff, or David DeCastro. 

If RG3 is off the board before their pick, Justin Blackmon is the no-brainer IF we picked up a 6'2"+ WR in FA. (Vincent Jackson, Marques Colston, Dominic Hixon, Dwayne Bowe, Steve Johnson, Robert Meachem, Mike Wallace)

If Blackmon is gone, and Miami Dolphins, Buffalo Bills, or Kansas City Chiefs don't want to trade up, even with our offensive line woes, reaching for Michael Floyd, Alshon Jefferey, Dre Kirkpatrick, Riley Reiff, or David DeCastro won't set the Redskins back.

If the Skins have takers to move back to the mid to late picks of the first round (hopefully for extra 2nd and third round picks) some potential targets are the players already listed (if have fallen) and include WR Reuben Randle, OT Mike Adams, LB Vontaze Burfict, LB Zach Brown, or CB Stephon Gilmore. 

SECOND and THIRD ROUND: Out of the four primary need positions (not including QB) of WR, Oline, Secondary, and linebacker, continue to draft the best available that we didn't draft in the first round. We don't need a "speedy" receiver, we have plenty. Washington hopefully gained some extra picks for the Second round and the Third in a trade back in the first round.

Players are in no particular order, but shows the depth of our needs and the availability to draft to fill.
WR - Mohamed Sanu ; OG Cordy Glenn ; OG Kevin Zeitler ; OG/T Kelechi Osemele ; CB Chase Minnifield ; OT Levy Adcock ; S Markelle Martin ; C Ben Jones ; WR Dwight Jones ; S Harrison Smith ; S Mark Barron

FOURTH AND BEYOND - Draft the best player available with considerations on QB's Brandon Weeden, Ryan Lindley, Chandler Harnish, Case Keenum, and Russell Wilson. Consider drafting a TE. In the event Fred Davis tokes up. Ladarius Green, Michael Egnew, Coby Fleener, or Rhett Ellison. Which ever position is missing from the first three ronds of WR, OG, OT, Secondary, and ILB, address accordingly. 

You keeping saying Shanny doesn't trust the black QB but that doesn't really make sense when he went out of his way to trade for a black QB because he thought he could win with him immediately.

I don't like Shanny at all but this idea that he is some kind of racist is just stupid.

RG3 is actually just the kind of QB that excels in the Shanny Sr. system, a mobile QB with a strong arm. The problem is when aren't getting Shanny Sr. system we're getting Shanny Jr. and maybe RG3 might not be right for his.

 

Griffin can fit in any system, he fits perfectly into ours imo.  Just imagine him running the playaction that Kyle loves to run, he would be dynamic.

Thatlsk, I don't trust Shanahan being the one that chose Donovan McNabb to come to Washington. That has Snyder written ALL over it. And when Shanny came in, and said "if you want Mike Shanahan, I need five years to do my job, if you can't do that, then you don't want Mike Shanahan." The media talk about this all the time. What they don't understand is that Dan Snyder has a larger ego than even Mike Shanahan. And Dan Snyder countered that response with "I'll let you do what you need, for as long as I LET you. For now, you will have what you request in 5 years, but we are trading for McNabb to sell our tickets, and you have to make it work." 

There's no way shanahan came in, and in less than a month, pulls the trigger on "trying to win now" when Shanahan was adament about a 5 year plan to build the team. If he wanted to win now, they wouldn't have changed the defensive scheme. It was a pure publicity sales stunt, and not a choice by Shanahan. More proof of this was how soon McNabb came out mid season. A head coach, specifically an NFL coach, would never back down from such a lucrative trade, and show that he made a wrong decision, and an expensive and crippling wrong deicision, and would 99% of the time have to much pride to bench McNabb the way he did.

He's not racist. He believes in his system more than anything. I don't "always bring up" the BQB. I laugh at it when people say it because it's ignorant. Shanny has never tried to win immediately hear, and Rex Grossman and John Beck are proof.  

cptmastershake,
you are dumb.

are you really going to try and convince us that dan snyder, brought in mike shannhan and gave him final say over personnel and then 6 weeks later traded for his new starting QB?

 Shanny has never tried to win immediately hear, and Rex Grossman and John Beck are proof.  

he did and donovan mcnabb is proof as is Jammal Brown

CMS I like how you think on this, except if RGIII is there when we pick, then you have to take him unless something else happens between now and the draft. I honestly don't think he is the next Mike Vick, but he is a top prospect and could possibly be the long term solution. Evey time I have heard him speak he has seemed self centered, but maybe I would sound that way too if they shoved a mic in my face right after a game. I am not impressed simply because he built his rep against below average competition, so I wouldn't trade anything to move up to get him, but it he falls to us, then I take the gift.

If he is gone I like the rest of it. Trade down, get picks. Fix the line, get QB in the 4th or so, and maybe another one in the 6th, fix the line, get a TE even if Davis does fine, Paulsson is garbage and Cooley is done physically, fix the line. Get a CB or two and an ILB or two. This sounds like a lot of picks because it is. WE FINALLY HAVE PICKS!! Lets not waste them.

I am also all for buying a big receiver and I really like Bowe or Steve Johnson. O hand did I mention we have to FIX THE O LINE! And this goes for the FG team as well. Gano may not be great, but his kicks have plenty of height. All but one of those blocks was on the line, and all but two of them were the center. He is too small. He tries to get in position to block too quickly which take the zip off his snap. The kick takes longer, and then he gets knocke on his ass in Roccas lap. i am not going to go over this anymore but if we don't get a new long snapper it won't matter who is kicking unless we back him up two more yards.

CptMasterShake,

When are you going to learn that adding completely baseless allegations of racism into your statement drastically weakens the entire post regardless of the rest of its content.  By doing this, you appear that you care more about skin color than you do team performance.  Most who frequent these boards probably didn't even read beyond that BQB line.  This is a trend with you and you aren't doing yourself any favors with it.  Ultimately, people will stop reading/replying to your posts and you'll end up getting the attention of the posters on this board who like to act a fool by throwing around various racial slurs. 

ThatLSK is right about the Shanahan situation.  Common sense should tell you that there is no way that Shanahan would trade for McNabb if he had something against black QBs.  There is also no chance that your far fetched Dan Snyder story is true either.  If Dan Snyder forced Shanny to take McNabb for the purpose of selling tickets or jerseys, then why on earth would he allow Shanahan to bench Mcnabb for Rex Grossman?  You think people would buy tickets just to watch McNabb stand on the sidelines in a Skins jersey?

You make some good points in other parts of your argument but when you introduce race, that all goes out the window for most.  Do yourself a favor and realize this before your posts/threads become ghost towns.

I actually have the capabilty if seperating the facts and points of the thread from the extraneous stuff, so CMS it doesn't bother me if you interject social comments or opinions into your threads. Those that can't get past that should try a venue that meets their social standards. I also think that many coaches have a certin reservation about drafting a young black QB. I don't think you can really seperate the fact that most are running type QB's and if you want  pocket passer you might not want to depend one. You must of course evaluate each player on his own merits, but there is a pretty big body of work to support such opinions. I do think RGIII falls into this catagory, but time will tell/ In any case I dont think he is a sure enough chance to spend much to move up. 

I actually have the capabilty if seperating the facts and points of the thread from the extraneous stuff, so CMS it doesn't bother me if you interject social comments or opinions into your threads.

The fact that you choose to ignore the allegations of racism and focus on certain items does not change the fact that it weakens the overall credibility of the post.  Claiming that Dan Snyder forced Shanahan( a racist in his opinion) to trade for McNabb in order to sell tickets and jerseys is laughable at best and you know it.

Those that can't get past that should try a venue that meets their social standards.

Those that want to interject social issues like skin color into a majority of their posts/threads should use a venue like the off topic board.

I actually have the capabilty if seperating the facts and points of the thread from the extraneous stuff, so CMS it doesn't bother me if you interject social comments or opinions into your threads.

The fact that you choose to ignore the allegations of racism and focus on certain items does not change the fact that it weakens the overall credibility of the post.  Claiming that Dan Snyder forced Shanahan( a racist in his opinion) to trade for McNabb in order to sell tickets and jerseys is laughable at best and you know it.

Those that can't get past that should try a venue that meets their social standards.

Those that want to interject social issues like skin color into a majority of their posts/threads should use a venue like the off topic board.

I actually have the capabilty if seperating the facts and points of the thread from the extraneous stuff, so CMS it doesn't bother me if you interject social comments or opinions into your threads.

The fact that you choose to ignore the allegations of racism and focus on certain items does not change the fact that it weakens the overall credibility of the post.  Claiming that Dan Snyder forced Shanahan( a racist in his opinion) to trade for McNabb in order to sell tickets and jerseys is laughable at best and you know it.

Those that can't get past that should try a venue that meets their social standards.

Those that want to interject social issues like skin color into a majority of their posts/threads should use a venue like the off topic board.

I also think that many coaches have a certin reservation about drafting a young black QB.

Did you do in depth research on this topic or is just your opinion?

Thatlsk, I don't trust Shanahan being the one that chose Donovan McNabb to come to Washington. That has Snyder written ALL over it.

You can't have it both ways Shake, you can't say Shanny has had total control over every decision made since he got here except the Donovan McNabb decision. That was all Shanny too.

Shanny finally even admitted this year that he thought the roster was better than it was when it got here and the first year was not a rebuild.

If it was a rebuild, Clinton Portis wouldn't have been on the team nor would Larry Johnson, Willie Parker or Joey Galloway. He also wouldn't have traded for 29 year old Jammall Brown. Shanny thought he would get in McNabb want he got from John Elway an older veteran that he could coach to the Super Bowl but he blew it.

I agree. Shanahan saw the same things most of us did, and felt that though we needed upgrade at many positions, what we had was good enough to be respectable while we were doing it if we had a veteran winning QB. The price was not extravagant for someone of Mcnabbs very recent success on the field with a 2nd and 5th. He just didn't work out. Reid obviously knew he was not the same QB. Shanahan knew it too but nobody saw him fall off that badly that quickly. We got one of the picks back when we trade him away. if that turns out to be the biggest gaf he has then thing are not going to be that bad. 

Fast forward and Shanahan realized that this team was not a veteran QB away, and that he could not use just any RB and OL to implement his vaunted running game. This team was terrible almost everywhere but wherever Fletcher was standing. We didn't help ourselves that much in his first draft, but his second draft was excellent. We got some very game starters and much better depth at several positions, and we raised half of our team (defense, punting and KO coverage) into the top half of the league. Now we have to concentrate on the offense. I don't knwo what they have in mind at QB or the OL, or if they intend to put even more into the defense by shoring up the secondary and getting Fletcher and Mcintosh's replacements, but I do know that they havea full compliment of picks at the top of the draft like we have not had for a logn time. I hope they us them all, but if they trade them for the pick to get a young QB well at least they ahd them to trade unlike other years when we had nothing to work with on draft day.

I don't think thsi draft will be enought unless we are very active in FA. We are some 53M below the cap right now so we can do it if we want, but if we do, I hop we do it in smaller bites to less glamorous positions. three to four 7M/yr OL would go a long way towards fising this teams offense no matter who the QB is. There are quite a few big, good WR coming available but they are going ot be expensive and most of them are divas. We probably have to get one though.

I like Landry in spite of his injuries and I believe Atogwe will fully recover and be healthy next year, but I could live with Gomes manning one of those positions. You can never have to many CB's and a fe of those will be available also. Wilson did seem to play better the second half whether that was coaching, him getting better, or coincedence who knows. Hall is a gambler and needs a good FS backing him up and out int's could go back up where they should be. Hall is not great cover CB but after the non cap year when we cleared his bonus out, at 5M per year he is pretty reasonably priced for a starting cb

Why is it that these conversations always go from talking about how we feel about the team to how people are racists or how the coach is racist etc? Just seems plain silly to me.

I could care less if Shanahan prefers white or black or hispanic QB's. Just find us one that will HELP us win games and not LOSE us games as Beck and Grossman did this year.

If that ends up being RGIII, than great. If that ends up being Matt Flynn, great. Hell if it's Kyle Orton than fine. Just get someone in here that won't continually give the ball away.

I personally like the thoughts posted above about trading down if RGIII is there, but that's because I'm not as high on him as others are. We need more talent and depth on this team. So get our starting QB in FA and get a quality backup in FA and than use the draft picks to continue to rebuild this team.

I'm not a big fan of Dixon though. I wouldn't mind Orton coming in as a backup though. He's not great, but he doesn't turn the ball over too much. I just want a young starting QB who can grow with our improving team.

Pick up a young QB later in the draft to groom behind Flynn and whoever the backups are. Let Beck and whoever they bring in fight for the backup job and groom the rookie to take over later on if necessary.

FA sure will be interesting though. ;)

Qwix is racist. Vicariously making me racist. And also ruining the credibility of every cbssports forum poster. 

Calling me racist is laughable. In every post pertaining to the Shanahan QB decision making, someone says "he doesn't like the BQB" I don't believe in it at all. But the only person that knows if this is true or not is Shanahan (and I'm sure his son would know too) And who cares if he does or doesn't. Not this guy, and not anyone reading here, except those true racists looking for a need to fill their desire to raise the issue, like Qwix. 

Get over yourself.  And please, don't bother talking about "credibility" on a sports forum. Cause we ALL KNOW htat we ALL GET LAID based off of our CREDIBILITY on social forums. 

Bottom line - If Mike Shanahan based his "reputation" on Rex Grossman and John Beck being good QB's that will make the Redskins a winning club in his system, then he would see more value at other positions, and not QB (No-matter the color of their skin, you douche), for our first pick, which more than likely means we will gain more picks out of it.

Tell me I'm wrong. 

Shake I don't think he called you a racist, I think he was saying bringing race into this forum at all weakens any argument. The only thing we should be talking about when it comes to the QBs or the draft in general is how a player will help or hurt this team or if you want that player's style of play. But their race should be the last thing that comes up.

I've seen on like more than 2 of your post concerning Shanny and RGIII you say that Shanny doesn't like or trust the black QB, I personally thought that was an odd statement to make considering the whole McNabb trade.

If anything you were calling Shanny a racist but I don't believe you were called one.

End of the day it doesn't matter though.


All that matters to me is that we get a QB on this roster that can help this team win. It could be RGIII, Matt Flynn or anybody else except Rex Grossman or John Beck

How about Matt Lienhart?

You hit the nail on the head thatlsk.  I never called anyone a racist nor am I one myself.  It's nice to know that some people on here actually read and understand the intent of the post instead of using it as a platform for name calling and ridiculous accusations.

All that matters to me is that we get a QB on this roster that can help this team win. It could be RGIII, Matt Flynn or anybody else except Rex Grossman or John Beck

I'd love to see RGIII or Matt Flynn in a Redskins uniform.  Both of those guys would be an upgrade to what we have now.  I live in TX, so I know a good bit about RGIII.  I've seen alot of his interviews and by all accounts he seems to be a very humble guy with no character issues at all.  He is very intelligent as evidenced by his academic record at Baylor.  Of course all of those qualities are no guarantee that he will succeed at the NFL level, but he appears to have all of the tools to make it happen.

Tell me I'm wrong.

Ok.  You are wrong CptMasterShake.  Without resorting to name calling, I'll also remind you that it was you who chose to bring skin color into this discussion and other threads as well.

 

In every post pertaining to the Shanahan QB decision making, someone says "he doesn't like the BQB" I don't believe in it at all.

That someone is usually you. So, if you don't believe in it at all, then stop saying it in your posts.