Do recruiting rankings matter?

Like I said in one post having a stud qb can hide a lot of weakness take Texas for example for 8yrs they hade two clutch qbs in young n colt . Those qbs hide rb problems average Wr average offensive lineman. I'm willing to bet if we had a clutch qb the past two years we win a championship and don't have those let down games. Look at what cam newton did and rg3 and many other qbs that have carried their team. The more you consistently recruit good and top talent the more you will avoid the high school duds. To win you need top players in clutch positions or the skill positions. Now for us we need good ol n DL esp since were in a power run conference. The thing is the sec doesnt tell the public what t does with their duds when they oversign them and then push them away to junior colleges. But until they change rules down there we have to take their big recruits away to compete or get players that can carried their team on their back

Blackshirts...I actually wholeheartedly agree with you here.  A superstar QB indeed can mask a lot of other problems with the offense and there is no doubt we've had our issues with qb's ever since Crouch.  It seems we've been snake bitten at this position both in recruiting and development.  I also think a superstar WR can help mask the deficiencies of a qb and this is something we've unfortunately NEVER been able to enjoy.  Closest thing I would say would have been Purify.

Martinez no doubt was a bit of a project.  My friend during mid-season made the comment "Martinez is the most odd runner I've ever seen".  I totally agree.  On one play he can show such blinding speed that he bursts thru a hole and looks amazing.  On the next play he is indecisive, tentative, lacks lateral movement, and goes down in the fetal position at first sign of impact.  Certainly a conundrum.  Now we're at the midpoint in his career and the question the coaches have to dig deep on is how much more can he develop?  The problem though is what else do we have?  We can all sit here and say Carnes would be better, or give Jamal Turner a stab at qb but ultimately the coaches are the only ones that know how good they truly are.

Concerning the SEC recruiting practices.  If it was so bad I just don't understand how we're not seeing more stories come from it.  You would think there would be kids all over the place sharing their story of how they lost their scholarship and couldn't afford school anymore and ended up on the streets, etc. etc.

take Texas for example for 8yrs they hade two clutch qbs in young n colt .

Great point.  I will add to that look at Texas now.  They are struggling at the qb position therefore the entire team is struggling.

Concerning the SEC recruiting practices.  If it was so bad I just don't understand how we're not seeing more stories come from it.  You would think there would be kids all over the place sharing their story of how they lost their scholarship and couldn't afford school anymore and ended up on the streets, etc. etc

Recently it's gotten better, but SEC oversigning has been an issue of a while.  Some kids just accept it as a practice when they commit, assuming it will never happen to them.  However the ones that DO get cut loose usually transfer to other programs and apply for waivers that would allow them to play right away.  Marrow is an example of that at Bama.  SEC has recently implemented rules protecting against oversigning so I would say recruiting will even out in the next three or so years.

I wanna add to Schlly comments about tmart. He hasn't been the same tmagic that we loved before the mizzou injury. The okie at game was the last game that he had that made you say yes he's the one and the last time you heard heisman mentioned with his name. Now he's scared to get hit scared to run no pocket presence on when to run or throw the ball away. Now we have a tentative-mart not the tmagic that destroyed kstate mizzou or okie st. The coaches need to decide if the ceiling has been hit by tmArt or is there more improvement he can make. As for carnes n turner I'm sorry I dont but that carnes is that far off as the coaches say. No I'm not at practice but tmart has no pocket presence and takes dumb sacks because of it. With turner he seems to be the qb that would scramble to get some yards out of nothing. Carnes to me has the best of both worlds running N passing but it's not a gamble playing or trying them out. Remember tmart came out of nowhere and was a redshirt freshman so why is it a risk to start over qb wise ?? We're not running anything complicated pound Rex mix a pass or two if we can get if not pound Rex n option. I'm pretty sure beck has had to scale back the offense because we can't go pass happy or pass to open the run we have run to open anything up because of our bad Wr n tmart passing skills. Neb hitching its offense to tmart isn't gonna get us to the top I see why other coaches did t want him as a qb. I dont mind starting over a qb if it means we get better qb play. Take for example price from Washington that qb is nice and he's only a sophomore.... Qb play can hide things and for us I think it can get us over the hump till we get better talent in.

BlkFlag,

I agree with you on this one. I was one of the guys that said it two years ago. Martinez is a good kid. He's fast, he's atheletic. He's not a QB though. That's like LSU taking the Honeybadger and having him play QB. He's fast. He's atheletic. But.....can he throw the ball naturally? Can he read defenses? Is he sharp in critical thinking? I think Martinez is lacking all of these, including presence of leadership and confidence in his ability to take control (in other words he's not willing to leave all out on the field). He shows no emotiion. No passion. He's always got the same look on his face, other than when he smiles once in a while. I wouldn't call it poise. I would call it more of a daze.

I'm not saying he needs to be like Tim Tebow, but damn....have some emotion when a great play happens. The rest of the team feeds off of it. I think Burkhead is more of a leader because of his toughness and his heart. Players respect him and he doesn't have to be emotional. Most running backs aren't anayway. The QB has to be the one to show through emotions how things are going. When things are going good, praise the O-Line and so on. When things are looking bleak, have some fire and create a spark. He doesn't have it. It's not in his character and he'll never develop it.

Lastly, not everyone is cut out to be a QB. This is where I see Martinez. He wants to be, but he lacks the intangibles to be a good QB. Yeah, he's fast but it ends there. He lacks vision and quickness to be an Option QB. He doesn't have a natural throwing motion and his abilities are limited because of it. He doesn't possess poise, either in the pocket or as a field general. He's the guy from your little league team that played QB because his Daddy was the coach. He wasn't any good, but you had to deal with it. That's what this whole thing feels like. The one thing I can say, is Martinez is a well mannered young man who has a bright future in something other than football.

I was willing to give the kid a try and willing to deal with some growing pains but this is too painful to watch. He has no qb presence and isn't fast unless you got a big hole or he can run in a straight line. Here the kicker if you don't truly open up competition and give everyone a fair chance than your force to give him another chance his senior year unless u pull a zac lee. I like tmart but the secret is out and everybody has film on how to shut him down. Wisky said after the game they only rain 4 defense of plays and knew that Taylor couldn't read zone defenses. The project failed it really only worked because nobody knew about him before 2010. I'm ready to see carnes and deal with his pains or turners. Let's be honest tmart doesn't scary anybody anymore not passing wise or rushing either let's move on from this project and get a qb that can pass and run