Next Season QB?

OK I don't know about you guys butI'm sick of watching Taylor throw the ball. His mechanics, accuracy and arm strength are just flat out Atrocious. After two years in the program he has not gotten any better. And Bo is not exactly loyal(Zac Lee). It's time to move Talor over to Wide out. Coach up Brion Carnes and start winning games against good teams. IMO

Im on the same boat carnes turner or fuller I'd he signs I'm tired of the bs and Taylor as a game manager doesn't help or offense since he's to scared to run which is his strength. I'm willing to try carnes he's potential seems higher than tmart plus he's actually a qb not an athlete trying to be one. Turner would be like tyrod Taylor and he did a number against a lot of teams. Shoot I wouldnt mind using both like what OU did with their qb at the end of they year . We have fast east n west juke type qbs and were still using tmart with the excuse he knows the offense...... Really? It's Rex or bell and that about it. Our offense isn't the west coast and I know we don't run half of Becks passing plays. Unless something drastic changes tmart isnt the dude and he hasn't been the same since his injury....

Maybe even let Rex take the snaps. Rex knows the offense and was a QB in HS.

I understand your frustration but I have to say a few things:

1. Bo has hitched his wagon to the Martinez train whether you like it or not.  I know Martinez started over Lee as a RS Freshman but i truly think Bo (for some reason) believes Martinez will put together the game management and the big play ability and become a real threat at the quarterback spot. 

2. I think the gap between Carnes and Martinez is actually the pre-snap reads believe it or not.  Martinez has started to understand blitzing patterns, coverage looks and he can figure out the numbers game for the option.  Believe it or not he has done a fairly decent job of knowing when a team is in man or in zone and that has helped our offense.  I think Carnes is behind in this aspect and not necessarily the in-the-moment running a play way.

3. No true freshman is going to come in and start at quarerback right now for Nebraska.  Even if it's Devin Fuller.  I think they might consider a package to put Fuller in but he won't start as QB.


If somehow we can couple the smart-decision making game manager Martinez with pre-Missouri Martinez, then this conversation would be moot.  If he doesn't put it all together next season i will agree that we need to move on quickly. 

I'm not buying the gap at all carnes can't be the bad and he ran a similar offense out of the pistol in high school. I'm sorry tmart looks raw like he took steps back. Yes nut I know no hitched himself to tmart which is why I have serious doubt in Bo if he thinks tmart gonna put it together over night. But we need packages like how Oregon got James barner huff and black mamba all involved. Tmart maybe a cool guy but we are seriously very easy to figure of offense wise. We throw a lot formations just to make defense think a lot more than they need to. But when you start playig your really there is no fire it's just smoke. I know the reality is that we have two more years of this and if that's the case get used to 9-4 seasons. Get used to Rex getting worn out or bell n turned getting blanked or not used at all like the rbs. In 09 we didn't have offense talent like this but yet we rather shoot ourselves and hurt are chances for are offense to grow. It's ok two more 9-4 seasons and Bo will feel some serious heat esp with our 2013 schedule no wisky or osu insert purdue n indiana

Sorry iPhone spell checks seriously sucks and changes a lot of my sentences sorry

Last point I wanna make we should be at the worst 10-2 next season with losses to osu n michigan . Husker Dan on husker a .com has a 2012 breakdown and really 3 conferences lost or blowouts similar to this year is highly unacceptable. Several coaching changes and key seniors n juniors will be gone. So yeah two more 9-4 seasons and there will be a Super hot seat on Bo 2013 should be a bcs year

I'm a pretty patient person and I think people deserve that much whether it's in athletics, business, or whatever else.  That's why I've been more than patient with TM.  With that being said it is without a doubt a fork in the road place for the coaches and what they do with TM.  He has it in him (yes even in the passing game).  I personally witnessed his extraordinary game at Okie St. last year and watched him excel in both running and passing.  I just don't get why he can be so inconsistent and why all of the sudden he drops to the ground at any hint of contact.

I honestly think Carnes has the potential to surpass him in the offseason but it's going to take a lot of development as others have pointed out.  The very limited action I've seen him in wasn't overwhelmingly impressive if impressive at all and I think that's what it's gonna take for the coaches to bench TM.

Overall our offense can't help but to be better next year.  Don't underestimate the fact that we had a CRAPLOAD of freshman and soph's out there this year.  Another year in the weight room and film and just growing into the role of a college athlete and it should start clicking for guys like Turner, Bell, Abdullah, Green, Heard, etc. etc.  No excuses for the offense next year regardless of who's playing qb.  Defense on the other hand....yikes.

Its all going to come down to who can take the starting spot from Martinez.  Its his job until we have a QB come in and take it.  I am not a big Martinez supporter but I also have not seen enough out of the Qb's we have to just want Bo to hand the job over.  As sad as it is Carnes has the most experience behind Taylor and thats not much.  Spring football will be right around the corner and we will see if anyone makes a push for a serious look in the fall.  Hopefully Bo has Martinez working with Ganz or whoever else on his passing skills. If he could learn to pass better on the run and could work out of some bootleg passes I think it may help both his passing and rushing stats.  He also needs to get these young receivers out there and build chemistry and trust.  The WR's did not help him much last season.  


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I don't think taylor is really the problem. The problem is that the wr's can't catch a ball that hits them right in the hands half the time and the o-line usually likes to follow up a holding call with a false start so that a first and ten becomes a first and 25, what's frustrating is how often that happens. Besides, taylor is ten times the decision maker he was last year and only a sophmore. Most QB's make their biggest jump from their SO season to JR season so i expect to see some big strides. Personally i'm excited to see what kind of a relationship taylor can make with kenny bell and J. Turner down the road

This topic doesn't really need to be brought up. It will be Taylor and he WILL continue to take sacks, he WILL continue to run into offensive lineman when scrambling and he WILL continue to SUCK. I can't wait until next season.

The only way I see Taylor improving is if we open the offense and five the ball to our fast playmakers like turner bell the fast rbs but I doubt that. I also don't see him really improving much we make excuse for him that we didn't make or give green or zac lee. Also Schlly your right the staff is at a crossroad but like huskrnc5 said and nut taylor will be the qb whether we like it or not. It's aight I'm not sipping any kool aid next year 9-4 we should be 10-2 but we will probably drop some games due to usual neb mistake that we make in every loss. I wish we could have see carnes some last year... Why you wouldn't want to develop your back up is beyond me.

I realize that i am in the minority, but i still like the potential of taylor running the tim beck offense down the road. I just get tired of hearing people gripe about how terrible he is when i've seen far worse qb's win bcs games. I may be a homer but with all the young speed at nebraska i get the feeling we have a lot to look 4ward to down the road. Please note, i like what taylor has done so far, and i understand that he may never be an elite qb, but i get excited more at the fact that he is a transition qb that IS ths best option right now to run this style of offense. Once his back-ups start to develop, down the road i think there will be a little bit of a 2 qb system till taylor is gone, but even if one is the better qb i think bo will do his best to keep taylor involved

Its been a while but I'm still around lol! Good points everyone but my biggest beef with the O is not TM.  Its the offensive line. I feel they cost us more than anything. Drive killing penalties, spotty protection, and overall under acheiving play. I'm not sure what Bo sees in Barney Cotton but I have to admitt I didn't think he did a great job his first stint here, and I don't think he's done a good job in the 4 years under Bo. 


Just my opinion.


 

i've seen far worse qb's win bcs games

Who? I'm not a Martinez hater, but he definitely needs to put both the game managing/smart decision making together with big plays.  If he can do that we can do some damage.  However, he is definitely no longer the best player on the field with Rex Burkhead, Kenny Bell, Jamal Turner and Abdullah/Green... not to mention Kyler Reed if he stays healthy.  That means he needs to get the ball into their hands more than keeping it himself.

Its been a while but I'm still around lol! Good points everyone but my biggest beef with the O is not TM.  Its the offensive line. I feel they cost us more than anything. Drive killing penalties, spotty protection, and overall under acheiving play. I'm not sure what Bo sees in Barney Cotton but I have to admitt I didn't think he did a great job his first stint here, and I don't think he's done a good job in the 4 years under Bo.  


Just my opinion.

^^^^^ Agree 100%


Good to have you back... at least for a little

Hey Smot i gotta ask who you think was worse bcs qb wise. Jefferson I can kinda see but atleast he knows how to scramble. But thomas would do wonders and his back up is faster than him. Boyd I would take geno yes tech qb is big denard huh yes. Wilson heck no we saw him up close he's legit luck haha that mr future colts and weeden is mature and seasoned. So out of curiosity who is tmart better than? Jefferson as bad as he is at time is still slightly better and I Sure LSU fans would t traded him for tmart...

And I've given up on the barney and oline situation.... We've questions him since 09 haha and with his sons here too he's here to stay. This is part of the reason why we need to get a qb that can scramble outbox the pocket. Tmart is a straight line sprinter I remember debating huskrnc5 about this last year in 2010. The oline has been an issue so much i just rather not think about you can make a Santa Claus list of game in which they have had game changing meltdowns

O-line is definitely a concern. It seems like we can recruit some talent at that position, but they just aren't performing at a high level. I thought they were much improved this year (probably due to all the assistants at the position) but they looked awful in the bowl game, especially in the 2nd half.

I have to blame Beck for some of it. I was watching a pro game the other day (can't remember which one) and they were showing how to slow down the fast d-linemen with chip blocks from TEs or RBs, and Beck needed to do that in the 4Q. Look at that series where T-mart got sacked 3 times in a row, Beck wanted the 5 lineman to handle the 4 stud D-line guys from USC. Give me a break, not going to happen with the speed they had at DE. Also, some of that is T-mart, as others have said, I don't know if he just gets scared that easily or if Beck isn't teaching him anything, but there are holes for him to escape through, but a lot of times he misses them and runs into a lineman or just goes down. A good QB (Wilson for example) manages to find those holes and either get good running gains or just buys enough time to find someone. If T-mart could step up that part of his game, the offense would be that much better.

I honestly don't know if T-mart can improve. I thought he took a pretty good stride between 2010 and 2011. If there is similar advancement in 2012, he could definitely be dangerous. The problem is that improvement has to come in his arm. And as plenty of people have said, I just don't know if he has the arm/mechanics to do it because he's just not a natural thrower.

Another thing is it's a lot different throwing with shoulder pads on then without. Maybe he looks better throwing without pads, if that's the case, he should never take those off when he's practicing throwing, because that's what he needs to work on. That always bothered me about QBs, how could you practice without pads and have one throwing motion and then expect that to translate with the pads on.

Right now I'm more concerned with the D for next year than the O. I think we could win the Big 10 championship with this O if our D would return to the form of '09 or '10.

The problem is that improvement has to come in his arm. And as plenty of people have said, I just don't know if he has the arm/mechanics to do it because he's just not a natural thrower.

I honestly could care less about his throwing mechanics as long as the ball gets where it's intended to go.  Believe it or not but his throwing is the least of my concerns.  My #1 concern is his lack of presence in the pocket, i.e- knowing when to tuck it and run, knowing when to buy time to pass, knowing to NOT run into his lineman, etc. etc.  In games where he has shown well in this aspect he looks unstoppable (Okie St. 2010).  My #2 concern is this developing issue with him going down so easily.  He's either afraid to take a hit and sustain an injury OR the coaches are telling him to go down at contact to avoid a fumble. 

If he could correct those two issues he's our guy hands down.  He's never going to be a "great passer" but in the offense Beck wants to run we don't need a "great passer".  We just need a guy that can keep defenses honest with adequate passing and I think when the O-line affords him the protection he is for the most part adequate.  Beck can help him in this area as well by designing pass plays that suite him better and getting him out of that D*MN pocket for crying out loud!!