RUN-MANNY-RUN

Now the Pacquio camp claims it doen't make financial since to fight Floyd, yet another excuse.

What happened to "I fight who the fans want me to fight, I'll even take less money than Floyd if he will agree to fight me"?  Floyd agrees to 50/50 but now May 5th wont work because the can make more money on June 9th?  LOL.  Ridiculous.  "Manny doesn't fight for the money" LOL HAHAHA

  It doesn't make financial sense for Arum. Arum will keep Manny fighting Top Rank guys and continue to double dip. They were also saying Manny needed time for a cut to heal. Lol, the only cut Pacquiao has is the one between his legs. This dude doesn't want to fight at all.  Arum gets 100% of the blame, and Manny and his fans hide behind it. Why doesn't Manny go apes--t and demand that the fight get made? I refuse to believe Pac has no say over who he gets in the ring with. I refuse to believe that if Manny really truly wanted Mayweather, that Arum wouldn't make the fight. 

When did Floyd agree to a 50/50 split?  I haven't heard that.  A little bit of proof please google-master Ron?  I provided a link where Manny, from his own mouth, said he wants the fight.  It's Arum and Koncz that are putting all the other excuses out in public.

And what is so hard to believe that Manny let's his promoters choose his opponents?  Do you think that if Arum made the fight and everything in the contract, including blood testing procedures, was agreed upon by both sides...that Manny would back out?  Of course Manny could put his foot down, but he obviously likes Arum and lets him run the show.  Just like he probably does with his congress position.  Arum knows, win or lose, there's nothing left for Manny in boxing after Floyd.  He's obviously milking every last penny out of him until that day. 

And what is so hard to believe that Manny let's his promoters choose his opponents?  Do you think that if Arum made the fight and everything in the contract, including blood testing procedures, was agreed upon by both sides...that Manny would back out?  

 
 It's not hard at all to believe Manny let's Arum choose his opponents. I just don't believe Manny can't say or do anything about who Arum chooses. Don't you think Manny should just cut all the bulls--t and put his foot down and tell Arum to get the deal done? Don't you want to see this fight? All of his fans want it, he fights for his fans, so where is the disconnect? It's easy to blame Bob and say he's the roadblock, but I don't get why Manny isn't telling Bob to get the fight made and get it made now because this is THE GUY, that I want to fight and that the fans want to see me fight!!!


 Do I think he would back out? Hell yeah, he did it already! From what I understand, and in trying to keep up with the different excuses that came every week at the outset, having random blood drawn was the problem because it made him weak. Then it was everything else from religion to Floyd's not the boss of him.  


 Nevermind about all of that, if Manny wants to fight, IMO he needs to be just a little more vocal and sound a bit more convincing that he really wants to get into the ring! 

Everytime Manny is quoted as saying he wants to fight Floyd, later in the interview he ALWAYS follows it up with "But it's not up to me, my promoter picks who I fight".  It's a very lame cop out, but it's what he says EVERY TIME.

Yeah and pre Pac/JMM...everytime Floyd is asked about the fight his excuse was always "If he have blood testing, we have a fight."  Knowing damn well Pac wasn't going to agree to it.  Then it was "I'm taking time off to spend time with my family."  Which he abuses BTW.  Then it was "I have court dates and legal obligations."  Which we all know he never went to court and was burning $$ in clubs!  Now after the JMM, he is LITERALLY calling out Pac.  He's not beating around the bush like he was when he said "I'm fighting May 5th and I want the BIGGEST FIGHT POSSIBLE."  Plus, many boxers throw out the "I let my promoters pick who I fight."  I hear Cotto say it all the time.  I don't see how that's a cop out?

Before I let you off the hook....where's your proof Ronny boy?  Your the facts guy around here, so show me in writing where it says Floyd has agreed to a 50/50 split.  Last I heard that was another barrier because Floyd wouldn't budge off that since he thinks he's the bigger draw.  Until you can get that, buzz off!

Of course I want Pac to put his foot down.  Of course I want to see the fight.  But Pac is just not that type of guy to ruffle any feathers by saying no to anyone....let alone his boss!  I honestly believe that Pac would fight anyone that Arum and Roach put in front of him.  The only excuse that I give weight to that comes from Manny himself is the blood testing.  If he didn't have that issue with Morales, then I'd be sitting here saying he was scared of Floyd.  Either way, Manny has no reason to be scared of Floyd.  You guys make it seem like Floyd's Clubber Lang and is going to smash Manny's face in.  He has 2 losses so another isn't going hurt his legacy, especially losing to a Floyd who is considered one of the best of this era.  Manny wants the fight, but Arum, being the smooth talker he is, will talk Manny into taking another fight against a Top Rank opponent.  Floyd on the other, might not have been scared, but he definitely wasn't so willing to get into the ring with him like he is now.  Had Manny looked like he did against JMM, when he fought Cotto, I highly doubt Floyd would've brought up the whole PED's thing.  But that's just me...I'm sure the Floyd lovers have a different view.


At the end of the day, all I'm saying is that there are plenty of excuses from both sides to blame for this fight not happening.  It's turned into a chess match between the 2 sides and it's getting tired. 

Dawgs, Floyd agreed to 50/50 the first time around AND SIGNED THE CONTRACT THAT ARUM PUT IN FRONT OF HIM (It wasn't his contract, it was ARUM'S contract, to which Floyd only added 1 thing to, random drug testing), and said he would agree to 50/50 this time around.  It's not a secret.  Try Google yourself, it doesn't hurt.

As a big Pac fan, I hate to say this, but I agree with you GRR.  And it's not only me.  I am from the P.I. and most of the people I know there have the same sentiment.  We all want to have this fight to happen and we are just frustrated at what Arum and co. are doing right now.  If it's only Manny's decision, this fight would happen.  One trait that we, Filipinos are proud of is, we never back-out if we are called out.  It's just so happen that Manny is surrounded by non-Filipinos making decisions for him.

Manny is so in debt to Arum at this point he can't force Bob to do anything.  Sergio Martinez yesterday said "My promoter does not decide who I fight, I do, he promotes the fights I decide I want".  If Manny felt the same way, we wouldn't be having this conversation, but unfortunately Manny has given all the power of his career to Bob, and no longer has any power to actually make a decision.  It's unfortunate.

Arum knows what up.  Manny can't handle Mayweather and Manny fans can't handle the truth.

Manny is so in debt to Arum at this point he can't force Bob to do anything.  

If you are talking about paying a "Debt of gratitude", Filipinos are known to believe in that so highly but I think Manny's relationship with Arum is already past that stage.  He already made a lot of money for himself and for Arum and co.  I think this fight still has a chance to happen if Manny gets pressured by the sentiment of his countrymen.  Maybe when that time comes (I hope sooner than later), he will be saying this, "I am going to make this fight for my country and my countrymen!" 

Manny can't handle Mayweather and Manny fans can't handle the truth

This is why we, Filipinos, really want this fight to happen.  So, guys like Pimp_C would disappear after Manny beats Floyd.  All these rhetorics don't mean anything until the fight actually happens.   

No, I don't mean debt of Gratitude. I mean actual DEBT. Manny has gone through his money so fast that he already has over a 20 Million dollar "advance" from Arum.  Unfortunately when you owe somebody that much money, it takes any power you might have away.  Arum literally owns manny right now due to the fact Manny owes Bob so much money.  An unfortunate situation.  Even Freddie Roach has commented about how Manny can't stop giving all his money away as soon as he makes it.  It's great to be a guy your community can count on, but he really needs to figure out how to keep better control of his finances.

Manny has gone through his money so fast that he already has over a 20 Million dollar "advance" from Arum.

$20M in debt?  That's news to me.  Do you have direct knowledge of this or did this come from Pimp_C?  I worked in the Philippine congress before migrating here in the US and I know for a fact that Congressmen there have allotment to use for his own district.  He doesn't need to use his own money to give to his constituents.  We call it "Pork Barrel" and it's a lot of money.  He may have problems handing his own finances but owing that kind of money because he gave them all to his constituents?

I am certainly not saying he gave it to his constituents, I have no knowledge of what he spends his money on.  Roach implied he gives a majority of his money away, and many within Top Rank have admitted Manny has recieved several advances from Arum approaching $20M.  When you keep asking for advances and it gets that high, you lose any power you might have had threatening to leave.  Many people wonder why manny doesn't leave Arum, I'd say this is a major reason.

This is a story about manny's money woes from a few months ago.  It has been rumored that he is in far worse shape finacially now.


http://www.examiner.com/fight-sport
s-in-jackson/pacquiao-can-knockout-
anyone-but-not-the-irs 

I am certainly not saying he gave it to his constituents, I have no knowledge of what he spends his money on.  Roach implied he gives a majority of his money away, and many within Top Rank have admitted Manny has recieved several advances from Arum approaching $20M.  When you keep asking for advances and it gets that high, you lose any power you might have had threatening to leave.  Many people wonder why manny doesn't leave Arum, I'd say this is a major reason.

Ok, so 10 minutes ago you say that Manny saying "I leave it up to my promoter to pick my opponents" is a lame cop-out, then turn around and give a reason to why he says it??  If it is true, which it's hard for me to believe that Manny's going broke, then there's your answer as to why Manny isn't putting his foot down and letting Arum run the show.

Thanks Ron!

Dawgs,

We have always known why Manny lets Bob run every aspect of his career, that doesn't mean it's the coreect decision.  Manny obviouslt needs help with his financial decisions, unfortunately he looks to the wrong people to help him with those decisions. 

 Ok, so if Manny is really in debt $20 mil to Arum, then he is basically one step above being an indentured slave. I can actually believe that Manny is going broke. He seems like the type of dude that if someone he knew said "Hey Manny, I'm trying to buy a house and I'm a little short on the down payment, can you help me out?", he'd just buy the home outright for the person. A hell of nice thing to do, but not the best way to maintain your hard earned wealth if you do those types of things over and over again. I'm also sure Manny trusts Arum and probably doesn't believe him to be the low life that he really is. All that being said,and Manny's financial situation with Arum does change my perspective a bit, I still think in light of the circumstances he's under, Manny could still demand to get the deal done. 

  Bob has Manny over a barrel sort of, but if Pac doesn't fight Bob doesn't get any money. What's Arum gonna do. sue? I don't think he'd take on the expense and headache to sue Manny who maybe doesn't even have the money that's owed to Arum at this point. Secondly, Manny is so beloved the negative press would be bad for Top Rank and Arum. So If I were manny, I'd tell Bob get me Floyd or nothing, because if not , I'm not fighting and if I don't fight, you aren't getting any closer to your $20 mil. Then I'd bounce to the P.I. lol. Seriously though, the power Arum seems to have over Manny is 100% based on Manny's demeanor. Pacquiao is either waaayyyy too nice of a guy or naive as hell or perhaps even a combination of both. I guess we will see, but this whole roller coaster of will they fight or won't they is getting f--king old. At this point Floyd and Pac should fight or quit f--king talking about it!!!!!