Yankees new Rotation

Yet another failed attempt to win a World Series.  Sabathia is your ace.  Beyond that totally suspect.  The Rays have a real starting rotation.  NY finished 6 game ahead last season.  Watch how fast it turns into 6 games behind in 2012. 
Good luck with that.  

Sabathia, Pineda, Kuroda, Nova, Burnett/Hughes/Garcia

With the Yankees offense and bullpen that'll be plenty. keep dreaming. 

That front four combined to put up a 3.33 ERA last season, averaging a 123 ERA+

meanwhile, Burnett, though a headcase, has the ability to dominate. Hughes is one year removed from an All-Star nod, and a replication Garcia's 12-8 3.65 from last year would probably make him the best 5th starter in the game. 

You can make a pretty convincing arguement that their depth and the potential of Pineda, and Hughes (if he lays off the Krispy Kreme) makes this rotation top 5 in the game. 

I think this is a good trade for both teams. A lil better for Seattle, but Yanks had to get pitching. Their staff is not gonna threaten the Rays for best in the East, but will help them. However, for the long run I think this will be looked at as a bad trade for NY cuz they will be needing bats sooner then later. With ARoid and Jeter quickly getting worse and worse (while costing them a fortune) the Yanks will need players that can hit and field and run. These 2pitchers can't do that. And I believe Jesus will become a 40+ HR guy as a 1B/DH. 

Regardless what we may think of the trade, do ppl really think as the rosters currently are that NY can finish ahead of Tampa? I think the trade could net NY a WC and have them finish ahead of Boston, but to think they can beat the Rays is a pipe dream at this point. The best in the AL is Angels, Rangers and Rays. Not necessarily in that order. The fight will be for the WC spot and the Yanks took a positive step yesterday.

I think this is a good trade for both teams. A lil better for Seattle, but Yanks had to get pitching. Their staff is not gonna threaten the Rays for best in the East, but will help them. However, for the long run I think this will be looked at as a bad trade for NY cuz they will be needing bats sooner then later. With ARoid and Jeter quickly getting worse and worse (while costing them a fortune) the Yanks will need players that can hit and field and run. These 2pitchers can't do that. And I believe Jesus will become a 40+ HR guy as a 1B/DH.

Regardless what we may think of the trade, do ppl really think as the rosters currently are that NY can finish ahead of Tampa? I think the trade could net NY a WC and have them finish ahead of Boston, but to think they can beat the Rays is a pipe dream at this point. The best in the AL is Angels, Rangers and Rays. Not necessarily in that order. The fight will be for the WC spot and the Yanks took a positive step yesterday.


They just added two pieces to a bad rotation.....that still finished 6 games ahead of the Rays last year. The Yankees with this trade are better than they were last year. Although, another year older. Even though I think Pineda and Kuroda are going to get some rude awakenings in the AL East they are clear upgrades to a team that just fixed it's only real weakness.

Tampa? 3rd best in the division....and if the Jays get some surprise pitching 4th. You'll see.    

WOW? 3rd or 4th? OK.  I member hearing 4th or 5th last year and they finished 2nd. Now 2012 they have Desmond Jennings and Matt Moore all year. A DH that at the Trop should have 30+ bombs as opposed to Damons 16 last year and Evan missed 6 weeks last year with 31 dingers and is now healthy. 

Rays spent 10 mil on Damon and Manny last year and netted themselves 16 HRs. They have invested 5 so far and are gonna to add another bat before Spring Training, but Luke Scott alone will surpass the 16 Damn and Manny had last year. So the Rays offense will be much better. And I don't think I need to remind you of the Rays pitching. 

3rd or 4th?   Come on ..... Try to stay in the real world.

You are excited about an old guy and a young guy that are below .500 guys. Guys that I feel in the Yanks lil league park will give up way too many HR's. But I don't think the Yanks are done. I won't be surprised if they trade one of these new guys soon. If I was a Yank fan I would not be expecting a fatter CC and these 2 new guys to lead my team to the promise land. I would be expecting them to move on of these guys.  

I like the Yankees most recent deal.  They did a fine job of bringing in a young servicable arm who can provide good innings, if not super stellar performance.  With the offense behind him, Pineda is solid.  The Yankees get it and have improved themselves. 

They finished 2nd last year after a monsterous collapse by a team that was decimated by inuries and stupidity. Boston is still the better team. So arde the Yankees who are better than they were last year. The Jays like i said, would need to get some surprising pitching performances to pass the Rays.


Luke Scott is your great hope? Wow! 

You are excited about an old guy and a young guy that are below .500 guys.


Are you using wins as a measure of a pitcher? Nevermind, what I said. I can see it's a pointless argument.  

Pineda had an ERA of nearly 5 in AAA in 2010. Then last yr he started out very well vs bad AL West teams, however once he was seen he faltered greatly at the end. I am not impressed. And vs an AL East schedule his ERA could be as high as 6. Or he could end up like Burnett or Kenny Rogers and flat out fail with the NY Media. Or he could dazzle and win the Cy Young. I feel the last one is nearly an impossibility and he will end up being like one of the 1st examples.

As for Kuroda, he is also a below .500 guy that gave up a lot of HR's in a big ball park, how will that translate to the Yanks lil league field? Losing 16 games and giving up 24 Home Runs in an inferior league is hardly impressive. In fact, it is the exact opposite of impressive. And my gosh, I hear he could really be 41 yrs old. He won't last the year. VERY impressive. NOT! 

Were definetely not worried about the Rays! They should be good but they will be the team competing for a wild card spot! The Yankees run away with the east (again) easily!

What would possibly make you think the Rays will finish ahead of the Yankees over a 162 game season? Lets not forget the rays were dead LAST in the AL east in runs scored last year. Their rotation is solid but their lineup is no match for the Yankees or The Redsox. The Rays got a gift postseason appearance with Boston's collapse last season. I wouldn't bet on that happening again.  Not to mention the Yankees have the best bullpen in possibly the MLB but without doubt the AL east. The Yankees rotation is now looking real nice and deep with Pineda and Kuroda. The AL east is the Yankees with the runner up being the Redsox. The rays are heading for a third place finish. 

This is not a WIN NOW trade for the Yankees, the Kuroda signing is.


The Pineda trade sets up a 2014 rotation of Sabathia, Banuelos, Pineda, Betances, and Nova.


Good luck.

 

Got this comparison from Sporting news....

But I will lead into it as the Yanks have the better bullpen and better lineup vs the Rays

And you thought the Yankees were spending the offseason in hibernation.

With two sudden moves made Friday night, the Yankees served notice on all of baseball. By trading for young Michael Pineda and signing veteran Hiroki Kuroda, they turned what had been a thin rotation into one that can rival any in the American League

Instead of CC Sabathia and a cast of concerns, the Yankees now boast Sabathia and a whole lot more. How about this rotation: CC Sabathia, Pineda, Ivan Nova, Kuroda and a choice of A.J. Burnett, Phil Hughes and Freddy Garcia. Burnett looks a lot better as the potential No. 5 than slotted behind Sabathia, doesn't he?

The Rays still have what is considered the AL's deepest five-man rotation with James Shields, David Price, Jeremy Hellickson, Matt Moore and Wade Davis or Jeff Niemann. But is it really any better than the Yankees who, by the way, have just a little more offense (the Yankees outscored the Rays by 170 runs in 2011)?

A rundown:

Sabathia or Price? The Rays' young lefty throws harder but—for the next year or two, anyway—give me Sabathia's experience, consistency and durability.

Kuroda or Shields? Shields gives the Rays two legitimate No. 1 starters and he deserves the edge here but Kuroda, 36, is no slouch. He posted a 3.07 ERA while working 202 innings for the Dodgers last season.

Pineda or Moore? If you had assessed these two at last year's All-Star break, Pineda would have been an easy call. He dominated in the first half, going 8-5 with a 2.58 ERA and .193 batting average against. He faded after the break (5.12 ERA) and Moore broke out late but still you would have to call this a draw, for now.

Both are young; Pineda, who turns 23 next week, is six months older. Both throw 95 mph-plus fastballs though Pineda complements his with a hard slider while Moore uses a curve and changeup. Both are considered to have top-of-the-rotation futures. The biggest difference is size: Pineda is 6-7, 260, Moore is 6-2, around 200.

Nova or Hellickson? Hellickson, 24, beat out Nova, 25, for AL Rookie of the Year honors largely because of his 2.95 ERA to Nova's 3.70. Nova, however, reeled off eight wins in eight starts during one stretch and emerged as the club's No. 2 starter for the post-season.

In the final spot: As erratic as Burnett is, he still matches up well against Davis or Niemann. The Yankees still have Hughes and Garcia, too.

So give the Yankees an edge with Sabathia, a draw with Pineda and no matter how the No. 5 spots shake out. The leaves the Rays with an overall advantage, though not by much.

Certainly not as much as it was before Friday.

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The Rays finished 6 games behind NY last year with 16 HR's from Manny and Damon and have already doubled that essentially by adding Luke Scott. Not to mention the Rays offense was better at the end of the year once Desmond Jennings was called up, Evan and BJ got healthy. Now add Matt Moore to already the best rotation in the AL along with a catcher that is twice or more better for the Rays than anything they had last year and it all spells doom for the AL East. Rays win the division EASY. I still think NY will be 2nd, but in a dog fight for the WC. 

Im a yankee fan, but love Madden as a manager.. Think these  2 teams go to the wire.. boston 3rd

This guy is obviously forgetting the 3 games the Yankees gifted them at the end of the season. They led them by 9 games after sweeping a double header on September 21st to clinch the division.

You seam to be forgetting that the Rays have won more games vs the AL East the past 4 seasons then anyone. Including the best record vs the AL East last year and 2010. I do not think the Rays are too worried about the Yankees or them adding a 22 yr old that was horrible vs the East and was really bad once teams had faced him. Hell, I do not think any team is gonna be sweating him. In 3 years he MIGHT develop into a serviceable SP, but I have a feeling the Yanks will burn him out worse then Wash did to Strasburg. 


Giving up a known home run HITTER for a known Home Run GIVER is not a great trade in anyones book.  

KNOWN home run hitter?

KNOWN home run giver?


These players are babies in a baseball sense, do you honestly think they've both hit their ceiling?


Do you follow baseball?

 

KNOWN home run hitter?

KNOWN home run giver?


These players are babies in a baseball sense, do you honestly think they've both hit their ceiling?


Do you follow baseball?