Trade help for a new owner

12 team head to head with 9 catagory scoring.  I would trade Ginobli and Neal for Jason Richardson, Andre Miller, and Ben Gordon.  My team is below.  I am feeling no as I need help in points, rebounds, and blocks but seem to be doing well with assits.  Thanks to all for their help and I will give all replies 5 stars.

PG: Darren Collison
SG: Jarret Jack
G: Andre Iguoudala
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Hedo Turkoglu
F: Channing Frye
C: Al Jefferson
C: Martin Gortat
Util: Boris Diaw
Util: Gary Neal
BN: Devin Harris
BN: Tayshawn Prince (I am planning on dropping him shortyly)
BN: Manu Ginobli 

Typo if needed...

Don't know what your talking about as far as stars....but what ever they are i'm sure i could live without them. Thanks anyways!!!
You do need to get rid of Ginobli and Neal, i'm sure your in need for something neither can offer at this time is something across the board so you can win your fantasy game.
Richardson is a watse of a trade along with Gordon also, Miller is good on assist but he does not get much playing time to amount to any help either.
Thing about Denver is the coach Karl has this hangup about leaving his bench in to long for his starters to help anybody, and while i'm on the subject of Denver.....Lawson takes over games most of the time like Kobe does leaving the rest of the team to inconsistent, unless you like guessing they will play good from game to game and if you play for money guessing is no even in the question. My advise is to look elsewhere for help.

Collison > Fair but inconsistent
Jack > Fair but inconsistent
Iguoudala > Good starts off slow but can help you before 4 qts is up.
Anthony > Good for points every game that can help your team, he is another ball hog like Kobe and even though he will miss alot of shots he will get enough to help you out.
Turkoglu > 3 pointers is his best play when Stan rides his butt to shoot and not pass on a good shots he could worth keeping.
Frye > Rebounds and some blocks, he is aging don't expect alot.
Jefferson > Good one of the best centers in the game.
Gorat > Good i really like this player he is good for points that can help you every game and as the season gets longer he will get better clicking with Nash feeding him alot of assist.
Diaw > Inconsistent as they come but when he is on his game watch out is good for points, maybe Micheal Jordon needs to put him on a diet, he came into the season weighing 305, i believe with the season crabbed into a short season and games coming back to back he is not in shape to keep up....may be why he is inconsistent lately.

Neal > get rid of him he is a waste on your roster.
Harris > get rid of him also, another waste, he should be putting out better then he is, but with Lowry and K-Mart and he really is the 3rd best player on the Utah team and thats not saying much.
Prince....try and find someone in free agents to replace him also...

Overall your team is just average.
Players you should get rid off...
Prince
Neal
Harris
Frye
Collison
At this time getting a trade on any above i listed would probably be hard for better players so work your free agent daily in a H2H league.

Thing about fantasy games is don't attached to bad players get rid of them or you will lose.

Good Luck 

Once you get the hang of this play for money and stop wasteing time on free league life is short, to short to waste getting nothing for your time. Thing about this CBS Sports site here is the information is good sometimes when they update it.

One other thing watch for starters that or hurt and who is replaceing them even if its just for a week....that could help you trying to get rid of the players not worth keeping....rememeber never get atttached unless they are real good players....and if they are going to be on the IR for a long time use good judgement and let them go if needed.

The answer depends on your place in the standings.  My guess, based on what you have is that you are doing just fine and can afford to wait it out with Manu Ginobli.  It is generally a bad idea to trade injured stars if you can avoid it, because you will get 50 cents on the dollar, if that.  The only reason you should even consider trading Manu is if you feel like you will be out of the running by the time he comes back.

Bottom line, Manu is a 9 category stud and you will hurt your team by replacing him with 3 role players.  You can find production comparable to the players you are getting back on the waiver wire in 12 team leagues.  Wait it out with Manu unless you are sinking in the standings, and even then, hold out for more.  You would need a top 50 player for an injured Manu who is top 20 when healthy. 

Also, in case you have not figured it out, GRE is basing his advise off of a points league and does not understand your format.  While I agree you should drop Prince and may be able to find better options than Gary Neal and Devin Harris, do not even consider dropping Collison or Frye.  The only time Frye should see the waiver wire in your format is if Markief Morris takes over the starting job and Frye gets reduced to 15 min per game.  That isn't happening any time soon.  He is a category league stud when he plays, so roll with him. 

Keep Manu.

Well TLance did he ask you to also try and put down someone who would also try to help him.

Ginobli is going to be out 2-3 months and this season is short because of the hold out.

Now look dude i don't know you, but i'm not a part timer, i'm retired and i do this 12 -14 hours a day 7 days a week, this is how i make my extra money.
Last night i came by to see if Price was going to play for Nash since he scored me 32 points as a replacement, Saterday and came up on the message asking for help.

Now you can talk all the siht  you won't to go but i forgot more about fantasy games of all sports then you know now.

The man wants to win his damn fantasy game not watch some beat his arse .

Now if you won't to give him your opinion thats great but do it with putting my help down idiot.

Names Grelot not GRE

But anyway dude did he ask while you was helping him to put me down on my opinion as well, idiot i do this for a living not part time people like you is why i stop coming here on this site and plus their games not paying nothing unless your hoping on a chance they pick your name out of a drawing. If i was not checking to see if Price was playing for Nash again i would not of even seen his thread asking for help.

Now i'm going to skool you a bit, if Manu sets out 2 - 3 months with this short season is that going to help him because if you think that...........you fell off a turnip truck and landed on your head.

The man wants to win the damn game not watch someone else win, theres no second guessing in fantasy you snooze you lose.
Then what you say well...next year BS.

Keep your opinions straight and clean and i will do the same.

GL in your fantasy world.

Thanks for eveyones help, Currently I am sitting in 6th place at 14-12-1.  For reference I had the 12th pick in the draft so it was tough to punt catagories as I never knew who was going to be available.  I did end up dropping Prince for Brandon Bass, hoping to pickup on rebounds and blocks.  For reference here are the best of the best on the waiver:

Andre Miller
Ben Gordon
Tyler Hansbrough
Tyrus Thomas
Toney Douglas
Jimmer Fredette
John Salmons
OJ Mayo
Mo Williams
Kendrick Perkins
George Hill
Vince Carter
Jodie Meeks
Glen Davis
Wes Johnson
Gordon Hayword
Grant Hill

See any immediate pickups?  I missed out on Brandon Knight due to waiver priority (was going to drop Harris)

Grelot,

I am sorry that you took offense.  Some of your advise is sound, but other parts are not.  We can agree to disagree on Manu.  I think your viewpoint is valid, but Manu is an elite player in category leagues, so my point is that if the owner can afford to hold him than he should.  If he does not feel like his team is strong enough to make the playoffs with Manu on his bench for the next 7 weeks, then he does not have a choice.  My guess from looking at his roster is that he is still good enough to stay competitive.  Either way, that is not where we have an issue.  I respect your opinion with regards to Manu even though I do disagree.

Where I take issue is with your advise to drop Frye and Collison.  He already has 3 other players on his roster who are potentially droppable.  While you are correct that owners need to stay aggressive to win their leagues, dropping these guys would be an unwise move. 

Darren Collison has had a top 100 impact in 9 category leagues thusfar and Channing Frye, although he has struggled with his shot has still had a top 120 impact.  Frye was a top 30 impact guy last season and while he does risk losing PT to Markeif Morris, he simply cannot be cast aside this early on, especially considering the rest of his roster. 

You are correct that I do not know you or your background, but I do know that part of the advise you gave to this poster was sloppy at best.  While I do realize that there is more than 1 way to win a fantasy league, it is important to excercise patience with high upside players like Frye.  If roles change and Frye and Collison lose their starting spots, then you can consider it.  Right now though, these guys both need to be owned in 12 team category leagues.   

Brandon Bass was a solid pick up.  He will probably see more minutes as the season goes on while KG takes time off, as he likely will.

George Hill is a no brainer.  He needs to be grabbed right now.  Do not hesitate.  He gives you elite steals at close to 2 per game, makes 3s and is strong in his percentages.  He is essientially a poor man's Manu Ginobli.  As an added bonus, he will serve as Darren Collison insurance.  Some experts suggest that Hill is better than Collison and may take his starting job by season's end.  Grelot may have been thinking along these lines when giving his advise.  I still maintain that Collison is far too good to drop, but it makes a lot of sense to package these two together.  They both produce enough in their respective roles to warrant starting, and if one were to be injured, the other could produce borderline elite numbers.  

Tyrus Thomas is the other player on that list who I would grab.  He will fortify your team with his blocks and steals upside.  He may not ever break out the way many have predicted in the past, but the Bobcats frontcourt is weak at best.  It is hard to imagine him not getting enough minutes to be productive.

Neal and Harris are the drops here.  If a hot free agent who you covet emerges over the coming weeks, then the next drop would likely be either Bass or Thomas.  

Good luck.   

Get rid of Gary Neal and Devin Harris for now.  Them two are the weakest links in your team at the moment.  I would def pick up Tyrus Thomas to get rebs, blocks and improve your fg%.  Picking up Andre Miller wouldn't be a bad thing in my opinion.  Since you are getting rid of Harris who is a total failure this season and Collison isn't the best playmaker compare to other PGs in the league, Miller will be a great pick up.  Even though he doesn't start anymore, but he still plays plenty of mins and gets your ast numbers surpasses Harris and Collison.  Have you looked into any rookie players?  Mullen, Leonard, Morris, etc.

Thank you both for your help, he ended up pulling the trade away...I wasnt too disappointed as I wasnt too fond of any of the people I would be getting.  I was able to grab both Thomas and Hill so thank you very much for the recommendations.  As a new person to the fantasy basketball world it is always nice getting some help.  So would you put Hill or Thomas in the Util spot?  I am assuming Diaw stays in the other Util spot as he has been doing decent this year as well as the rest of the starters in my lineup.  We play weekly matches so once my lineup is set it cannot be changed the entire week (which is why Manu's injury really hurt me as he got hurt on a Monday game).

All of those guys are solid plays.  Your decision could be different each week.  Most weeks you should go with the guy who has more games, but also be conscious of your weekly opponents strengths and weaknesses.  If you play a team with Dwight Howard and D'Andre Jordan, then you probably don't need Thomas since you will lose blocks no matter what you do.  I woud not be married to any particular combination and don't be afraid to bench any of your fringe guys in down weeks schedule wise. 

Since you are in a weekly league, stashing Manu will hurt you less than in would in a daily change league.  Don't let yourself get too far behind in the standings, but I really don't think you will.  That is a solid group.

As weeks or days go by you will see i'm the one with the best advice.
See now they talked you into Thomas and Hill, you see were that has gotten you. (no where)...
Don't listen to people steering you in the wrong direction. You work the wire as i told you trade and keep
your hot players only. Except for you starters unless they are on the IR to long it will hurt you from winning. Thomas is the pits, and Hill is over the hill and is the pits also, i know its hard to
find good advise on here because some people think they or all that, money is the main objective, learn and play
and then play for money, just remember if you take the wrong advice it just sets you back another year, weeks go by fast.

Now if your in keeper leagues take the trash they tell you and hope for the best...bottom line do what i said and thank me
later.

I would love to play the people who has given you advice so far for some cash head to head, so to the users who has given vikingfan627 some advice i'll be back in the next week, let me know on this message board if i got a match and we can set it up....
You will not have to hold the money nor I...after a daily H2H the winner will be paid within seconds to his account, and receive a check if your the winner in 3 - 4 working days... if at that time if you would like we can play more then one daily H2H also let me know.

GL vikingfan

I'll be checking back to see if one of the two that gave you advice will set a game up with me, and vikingfan i will post the link here in a post of the H2H so you can watch it also...

What exactly is wrong with Hill?  Did you see his line yesterday?  14 points, 2 steals, 2 blocks and 3 3's with good percentages.  He will be inconsistent because of his role of the bench, but weekly totals make him a good option in a weekly league when the match-ups are right. 

Thomas is looking like a flop, so go ahead and drop him if there is a better player available.  You need big man stats, so I am not sure who the best option may be.

Frye may prove to be a drop soon also, but you have to let the dust settle on this position battle with him on your bench.  Neither Morris or Frye has taken the job and run with it, so you need to exercise patience.  Frye can still produce in 25 minutes with his ability to hit threes and block shots.  Don't stay married to him if he is still playing 20 minutes or less in 2 weeks, but you can afford to let this play out a little until 1 or the other puts a stranglehold on the job.

Grelot is right that you need to stay aggressive, but you also need to keep in mind that regular season standings don't decide the champion.  You need to be good enough to make the playoffs, but once you get there, you need to have the best team.  That is what makes head to head leagues tough.  You need to play for today while stockpiling talent that maximizes your chances in April.  Giving up on high upside guys too early is a mistake in head to head formats.  Sometimes, you have no choice, but if you are in the top half of the standings you need to stay patient.  Obviously, you need to win now to make the playoffs, but in weekly leagues you can afford to stash 1 or 2 upside guys on your bench in case they break out.  Frye is that player right now.  

Grelot, I would be happy to play you any time, just not so excited about the daily league format.  You want to play me in an annual league, then bring it on.  Unlike you, I have a full time job, a family, and I coach high school basketball as well, so I don't have the time I would need to be successful in that format.  Daily values depend a lot on match-ups, while annual leagues are more about the player's ability and his situation.  My hour a day of analysis serves me well in determining player values as I have always done well in yearly formats, but I am a little skeptical about playing anybody on their home court.  If you send me more information on the format I will take a look, but I make no guarantees about accepting your challenge in a daily league.

  

  

 

id wait til manu comes back but thats just my thoughts.  miller doesnt start, jrich is old, and Ben Gordon...honestly dont know what his deal is.  you can get more for manu..... however i am king of giving up to much in trades, so just letting you know.  But if i want a player im gonna get him

also, whose left on your waivers?  that could make or break whats going on right now with your team

Well even though I need big man stats someone dropped Richard Jefferson so I have a claim in on him.  Hopefully I things work out and I can pick him up.  Below are the remaining big me left on the wire:

Chris Kamen
Amir Johnson
Al Horford* just thought I would list him although he is out for the fantasy season for all intensive purposes
JJ Hickson
Kendrick Perkins
Glen Davis
Brendon Hayword
Mehmet Okur

My roster hasnt changed from above so I am assuming either Hill or Bass would be the drops.  I dont know what to think about Diaw anymore...he may sit on my bench until he starts becoming more consistent
 

Also another owner is looking for a pf/sf/f and has the following people on his trading block:
Al Harrington
Brendon Jennings
Monta Ellis (said for the right price so I think he may value him slightly higher than market value)
Joe Johnson (same as above)
DeMar DeRozan
Dwight Howard (for the right price)

Do you see any potential trades I could throw his way?

More money in daily leagues, i understand if you like annual leagues better...now i got to move on Good Luck vikingfan. As well as you Tlance.

Keep coaching, thats a good thing!!!