The Day later thread NY/GB my thoughts--COMMENT..

Please read and feel free to comment -- note this my feelings a day after i got to reflect on the loss.....

Ok first thing first CONGRATULATIONS to the NY Giants -- your team came to play and the Packers didn't . You deserve to reach the NFC Championship and obviously by the way they ( GB ) played it shows that regular season record doesn't mean diddly squat!

This is the secont thing I wanna get off my chest -- I'm not ticked off that we lost ( although disapointed ) i'm Ticked on how they played ! 3-4 turnovers ( i forgot because i think i blacked out after the John Kuhn T.O ) , allowing HUGE plays in the secondary and just playing like we've never been there before was a shame. I understand if this was The Houston Texans ( who have no playoff experience ) but they played horrible all around. Sure many will point to the turnovers but there were plenty of other things.... like not being able to get to Eli Manning with our front four.... the big plays we allowed them to get on 3rd down conversions, the offensive line allowing sacks ( especially durring the crutial time in the game , and finally the guys who stepped in for injured players ( Like Wynn, Neil,Zombo,Peprah ex.. ) who stepped in and played awful ( especially in coverage all year ) and didnt step up when the time was right.

The Packers now are on that list that includes the 1995 Sanfrancisco 49ers, 1996 Dallas Cowboys, 1997 Green Bay Packers, 2000 St. Louis Rams, 2001 Baltimore Ravens,2002 New England Patriots , 2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2006 Pittsburgh Steelers,2007 Indianapolis Colts, 2008 N.Y Giants, 2009 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2010 New Orleans Saints and of course ..NOW the 2010 Green Bay Packers to fail to repeat as Super Bowl Champions. 

Like the Packers 1997 counterpart they ( GB ) had a chance to really do something special and repeat but instead they came out with no fire and are forced to watch the 2011-12 playoffs along with teams like Detroit, New Orleans, & Denver ....

Lets hope that They add some key free agence to help offensivly and defensivly and IF injuries occur the backups step in like they need to instead of laying an egg.


PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COMMENT ---  

Some of the things we saw in this game were things we already knew.  Charlie Peprah is not a starting caliber type safety, we desperately need another pass rusher, you do not keep your starting QB out of games at the end of the year no matter what, if the offense doesn't have a good game we have no chance.

Aaron Rodgers looked average, not only in some of the throws but in some of the decision making.  I don't know if it is all the commercials, playing tight because of expectations from all the accolades, whatever but it was, it was not his day.

I still can't get over how bad the receivers were.  Not getting open, dropping balls.  Donald Driver was the only receiver who didn't mess up (from what I could see...I spent a good amount of time so upset I cleaned up the house during the second half).  James Jones disappeared, Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings didn't show much and Jermichael Finley was his usual all potential little production self.  It was just the opposite of what we saw during last years playoff run.

It may be time for Woodson to just go to safety, because even if Nick Collins does come back I don't ever want to see Peprah back there again.  It is time to concentrate on the defense, we were offense heavy in the draft last year, time to go defense (talent permitting).

My only comment is "What do we do to improve next year?" Seriously??? We were 15-1. We can't improve on that. Sure, every team has needs and can be tweaked. Ours is our defense. But listen. I don't want to hear about the defense yesterday. The offense lost this game. 4 turnovers??? And I ask you, do you really think we can improve our offense? I'm laughing as I ask that rhetorical question. We just have to play Packer football in all the important post season games the same as we did in the regular season.

My only comment is "What do we do to improve next year?" Seriously??? We were 15-1. We can't improve on that.

I took a lot of heat here at work, but I said before the playoffs we were the worst 15-1 team in the history of the NFL.  Our defense was bad and our running game average at best (I know we throw a lot).  But when you look at the 15-1 we had trouble with Tampa Bay, got pushed around by a Chicago team down to their 3rd string running back and QB, and rather consistently had trouble putting teams away.  We don't need to retool everything, but there are several areas to improve on.

Also given that there will always be in the area of 10 new players on the roster each year, we need to make those changes to improve the D-Line, improve the secondary and add another pass rusher.

My only comment is "What do we do to improve next year?" Seriously??? We were 15-1. We can't improve on that. Sure, every team has needs and can be tweaked. Ours is our defense. But listen. I don't want to hear about the defense yesterday. The offense lost this game. 4 turnovers??? And I ask you, do you really think we can improve our offense? I'm laughing as I ask that rhetorical question. We just have to play Packer football in all the important post season games the same as we did in the regular season.

Butterbean  I realize the Packers had 4 turnovers but you can't overlook the fact that Green Bay gave up third down after third down in crutial situations thanks to poor coverage -- i'm sorry but guys like Charlie Peprah and Frank Zombo are JUST NOT GETTING IT DONE when it comes to coverages in the secondary. Even Packers announcer Larry McCarren said durring the game broadcast yesterday that he ( Peprah ) is just not fast enough ( and as good in ) pass coverage because he has average speed to keep up with the WR's.

And you can't overlook that when the front 4 was left to rush the passer guys like Jarius Wynn & Mike Neal haven't proved that they can get to the QB  ( and have been injured prone ) -- the loss of ( Cullen  ) Jenkins was bigger than what some expected and without that blitz we send in guys like ( Charles ) Woodson, ( A.J ) Hawk , ( Clay ) Matthews alot more than we need to and it leaves the field wide open for opponents to pick us appart.  Not saying the turnovers DIDN'T kill us as fans we just have to look at the whole picture... from dropped passes, blown coverages, and lack of pass rush theres PLENTY of blame to go around .

G.B. PROGRAMAN says,

The only thing between Greenbay and home field advantage through the playoffs is a 3 games in 10 day stretch in November.  If we go 3-0 or 2-1, we're golden.  Also keep in mind that 5 of our last 8 games are at home, including 2 of the games in the 10 day period.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......

Wow.. not even gonna comment on u noyanot11... noth worth it ...

sorry on the typo ....meant not worth it... dont know why your laughing ...

I took a lot of heat here at work, but I said before the playoffs we were the worst 15-1 team in the history of the NFL.  Our defense was bad and our running game average at best (I know we throw a lot).  But when you look at the 15-1 we had trouble with Tampa Bay, got pushed around by a Chicago team down to their 3rd string running back and QB, and rather consistently had trouble putting teams away.  We don't need to retool everything, but there are several areas to improve on.

It sure was easy to close one's eyes to the deficiencies when the offense was clicking, wasn't it?  I thought it was going to be next week against the 49ers that the Packers found out how a great defense could knock them from their perch, but the Giants are as good as anyone when they are firing on all cylinders (especially on defense). 

I think a pass rush makes all the difference in the world for that defense.  The secondary was doing an o.k. job of coverage, but Manning sat back in the pocket all day on those 3rd and longs.  Although, the tackling was responsible for a couple huge plays, including the long TD pass, and there is NO excuse for giving up a hail mary at the end of the first half. 

LOL, maybe we should view this season as amazing for having gotten to 15-1 with the worst defense in the history of the NFL (based on how the NFL ranks 'em)!  All I can say is...thank GOD they didn't go 16-0 before running into the Giants.

sorry on the typo ....meant not worth it... dont know why your laughing ...

because at least the Saints put up a fight, what the h*ll did the Packers bring for their fans, other than embarrassment.   I guess a little offseason practice would have come in handy before the season started, uh?

Being that your a Steelers fan you shouldn't worry about how GB did but that your Steelers TANKED vs the Bronco's  a year after being in the Super Bowl... i'd see losing to a team thats actually BEEN in a Super Bowl but to LOSE to a possible one year wonder like Tebo ? even the Packers could beat Denver ( Guess you forgot week 4 ) .... and your Steelers.. well choked away a game in which they played just as mediocre as The Packers . Guess being a useless troll who has to dwell on another teams loss instead of worrying about your Steelers losing to a .500 Broncos squad warped your brain.... btw the Saints also had turnovers and basicall lost the same way ... and since when have you been a Saints fan? oh yea i forgot your a Troll ... go back under your bridge or to your message boards where the other Steeler fans can ignore you...


 

I took a lot of heat here at work, but I said before the playoffs we were the worst 15-1 team in the history of the NFL.  Our defense was bad and our running game average at best (I know we throw a lot).  But when you look at the 15-1 we had trouble with Tampa Bay, got pushed around by a Chicago team down to their 3rd string running back and QB

I hear you Butterbean.  You get called negative and people point out that the new NFL is all about high yards offense.  But I agree with your assessment and was never fooled by all those regular season stats.  Playing against teams that are poorly prepared, under-talented or in disarray is nothing more than a chance to improve yourself for the tough playoff competitors.  Our defficiencies from week one plagued us to week 17.

I think that the Giants first drive showed the Packers that the game was all on the offense.  The reality and pressure of this made everyone tight, including Rodgers.  If the offense knew that the defense had their back (like last year), the guys may have played a little looser and recovered from a slow start - we just got tighter and choked.

Next year, you can keep all your stats and records.  I want to see a defense that can shutdown the opponent and plays tougher as the games get bigger.  I want to see a run game that can legitimately be considered a threat.  Our pass offense needs to be a part of a solid team - not the team.  

The biggest issue I had with the game, particularly on third down.

Why on earth would you only rush three people on 3d and long and give Eli enough time to make the throw once coverage breaks down.

Its unexcusable. Pressure up front always makes coverage easier on the secondary.

TT must get some big bodies up front capable of holding the point of attack and an OLB opposite of CM3 to pressure the QB. Its not so much the scheme as the lack of personnel to play it.

The biggest problems I had with the game were 3d down defense, the dropped balls and the turnovers.

All year long the team has protected the ball very well and then they decide to turn it over 4 times.

Dropped balls have been an issue all year long, particularly for Finley, but some of those were Rodgers error (See Jennings)

The biggest isssue with 3d down was, why did Capers only rush 3? Was it a lack of confidence in the coverage? lack of personnel to play the scheme?

The coverage for the most part was ok, but if you give a QB 4-5 seconds to drop back, coverage is going to break down.

TT get Capers the personnel to properly run his defense. We need DL and OLB help desperately. We get a consistent pass rush and balance the offense, we'll be back.

My only comment is "What do we do to improve next year?" Seriously??? We were 15-1. We can't improve on that. Sure, every team has needs and can be tweaked. Ours is our defense. But listen. I don't want to hear about the defense yesterday. The offense lost this game. 4 turnovers??? And I ask you, do you really think we can improve our offense? I'm laughing as I ask that rhetorical question. We just have to play Packer football in all the important post season games the same as we did in the regular season.

Wow.....

The regular season matters in only getting TO the playoffs. Regular season wins and losses and passing records get you squat.

That defense needs serious help and the offense was there all during the regular season to bail them out. The one time when it needed to the most, the defense was NOT there to bail out the offense when they had a tough day.

Don't blame your offense. They're not supposed to save the team week in and week out. It's a team sport and the defense hadn't pulled its weight all during the regular season. The one time the offense needed them to bail them out, they didn't show up.

15-1 means squat.....I know. We were 14-2 last season and the Jets showed us that we were not as good as our regular season record led us to believe.

Your 10-6 team last year played a much more balanced game and the fact that the offense wasn't a powerhouse is what kept the defense on their toes and allowed the Packers to win the championship.

Powerhouse offenses allow defenses to become complacent.....and the Packer D lost its edge and wasn't there to help out the offense because they were so used to playing with the lead.

The Packers need to play Packer football.......and that means tough, in-your-face defense with a ball-control offense. Forget the Madden ball. That isn't Green Bay.

(Just my view from the cheap seats)

   It's not only the rushing 3, but how they did it.  Clay Matthews is coming from the same spot every single down.  They never move him around or disguise where the pressure is coming from.  I wouldn't have blamed him for just quitting.  They line him up coming off the left edge everytime, and when they do it and rush only 2 other guys, he's instantly facing a triple team and has no chance.  I saw one play where he was tripled and the other two pass rushers were doubled.  We had no chance of ever getting to Eli Manning, who just sat there for 6 seconds until someone got open.

   This should cause a lot of people to eat their words about the Packers 'just playing vanilla defense and keeping the real scheme for games that mattered.'  Turns out this was our real defense....rushing 3 and playing prevent for the majority of a playoff game.  Horrible. 

I'm laughing at all the comments about "I wasn't fooled by the regular season stats." Guys, we were 15-1! C'mon. If we were 3-1 after 4 games and people said, "Look at their weak opponents," or, "It's only 4 games." 16 games is more than a fair test sample. So what are you saying? We did it with smoke and mirrors for 16 weeks? Please. We were the best team in the league. I can't say it any plainer...WE PLAYED LIKE CRAP AT HOME IN OUR ONLY PLAYOFF GAME! That's it. Done. We had 4 turnovers, 6 drops (at least), and at least 2 "misfires" by ARod to guys wide open. This is why we lost. The defense sucked all year. Here's an interesting stat. We were 15-1!! We beat the Giants, Bears twice, Lions twice, New Orleans, Atlanta, and Denver with Orton, not Tebow. Sure, a bunch of real cupcake opponents. I guess we just got lucky and our real record should have been 9-7.

The blame lies squarly on MM. Looking back in time we've seen what resting your players to long can do to a team, the Colts fell victim to it twice. We get a gift with a blown fumble call and then call a ridiculous onside kick to balance it out. This team did not have a fire lit underneath them durning their 2 week vacation, they came in lazy and expecting to win just like they did in kansas city. Fumbles, dropped passes, errant throws, no intensity on either side of the ball and just general poor play except for the O-line through three quarters. That stupid timeout at the end of the first half made them throw a hail mary instead of just kneeling on it and I don't know why you wouldn't have the whole secondary back to prevent a TD when they don't have enough time to complete a pass and kick a FG. Thats poor coaching, Peiod. When you don't utilize the running game for the entire season, its hard to just turn it on when you need it. The recievers were getting mugged and that doesn't get called in the playoffs like it does in the regular season, you need to be able to run the ball to back the defense off. Lets face it, they finally bought into their own hype and it bit them on the ass. MM should have had that 07 Giants game playing on every monitor in the facility. To have them do that to us twice especially when we were the superior team is just humiliating. 

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Or it could just be that miss america told A-rod to call her and he couldn't stop thinking about it.... Can't say I'd blame him. 

And honestly, I hate this Packer team. I've been a fan since 1961. I've never hated a Packer team, even the 4-12 and 6-10 teams. You kind of felt sorry for them. But to go 15-1 and not even make it thru their first round in their own house, that's disgusting. I know I will get over it as will most others, but right now I hate this team with a passion. Rodgers and his receivers looked like this was their first OTA's of a new season, not a group that set records all year.

Lets not forget that 14 points the Giants got were virtual gifts, the Hail Mary and the TD following the Grant fumble returned to the 5yard line.  Even with our crappy pass defense, that Hail Mary is completed 2 out of 100 attempts.  Take away the Grant fumble, and the defense did well enough to win the game.  Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not saying our defense is all hunky doory, it needs 2 or more impact players to put it back on par with last seasons effort, primarily in the pass rush dept.  This would make life much easier on the safties and corners.  Imagine how many picks this team would have had with a lagitimate pass rush.