All things RG3

There is a lot of discussion about trade/draft rumors of RG3.  Word on the street has been the Redskins biggest competition will be the Browns.  The Redskins will likely need to move up to the 2nd pick to secure it.  There is talk however that the Browns may not move up.

This from the Akron Beacon Journal:

The Browns have expressed a desire to acquire a quarterback — via free agency or the draft — who can compete with Colt McCoy and Seneca Wallace in training camp, so it wouldn’t be a surprise if the organization is interested in Griffin, whom coach Pat Shurmur raved about in late December. It would, however, be more surprising if the Browns traded up. General Manager Tom Heckert covets draft picks — he made the blockbuster draft-day trade last year with the Atlanta Falcons so he could stockpile selections — and the Browns have so many holes to fill on their roster.

In other words, trading picks to move up the draft board doesn’t seem to be Heckert’s style. It’s more likely, in my opinion, that the Browns would stay put at No. 4 or even trade down if Heckert targets a player he believes will be available later.

SO in other words, we may not have to get in an all out bidding war with a team with a lot more ammo which is better for the Redskins.  However, the Dolphins are also expected to make a run, but at least the Redskins have more ammo.

Please continue to post and pass information on the latest rumblings of RG3.

Well, this I know...SOMEONE is going to get Matt Flynn.  I don't know how or who, but someone will get him.  So there's kind of like 2 bidding wars going on.  One for RGIII and one for Matt Flynn.   Basically its musical chairs:  2 QB's and 3 teams, so its going to be real interesting to see what happens.  I wouldn't even count out the Vikings on this one though...they may feel Christian Ponder is good but not franchise worthy so they could take RGIII even before he would get to the Browns.  Man, its going to be a loooong offseason but at least the draft will be a fun one to watch..

Signing Matt Flynn would be a mistake imo, he doesn't really fit our offense.

Take it for what its worth, but that Kiper nutjob has RG3 going #4 to the Browns. Richardson to the Bucs paves the way for Claiborne (sp?), CB out of LSU to the Redskins. I'd rather us trade back and get a WR with a mid 1st round pick and possibly move back into the 1st to take a QB or acquire a higher 2nd rounder and another later rounder and take a QB in the 2nd. I'm fine with the Skins signing Flynn, so long as they also draft a QB. A QB must be drafted if not for competition, but as a backup plan as well.

However, if they take a CB i  wouldnt be devastated since the secondary is the weakest part of the D imo, but I'd rather take a WR and then a QB with out first 2 picks. I just think QB, WR, OL are bigger needs. I wouldnt even be opposed to a an Olineman and a QB. Skins need the most help on offense, so i would rather use those first pew picks to address those needs instead of the defense.

It all comes down to the Skins philosophy, take BPA or address a need?

Will be interesting for sure, especially with FA set to begin relatively soon.

Citing sources inside the organization, ESPN 980 Washington's Chris Russell reports the Redskins are "very interested" in free agent QB Matt Flynn.

ESPN's Mel Kiper told reporters earlier in the day that "grapevine" talk suggested the Redskins didn't have a high opinion of Flynn. Russell knows "for sure," though, that coach Mike Shanahan and OC Kyle Shanahan had a "detailed conversation" two weeks ago on Flynn's six-touchdown, 480-yard performance against the Lions in the regular season finale. Whereas Charley Casserly suggested Flynn wouldn't be a good fit for the Redskins offense, one team source tells Russell the two systems are "almost the same."

I know its not RG3, but it has to do with what direction they are going

What would it take to move UP to the 2nd pick to draft RGIII?  I've heard a 1st and 3rd this year and 1st in 2013.  Gosh that is a lot to give up......especially for "not a sure thing"

I get it and what RGIII can bring to the organizatin and hindsite being 20-20 if he become a franchise QB and has a year like Cam Newton did this past year and future ever so bright ................ then those picks are NOTHING to give up

If you don't have many holes to fill, or are able to fill them in FA then you can afford to take that gamble. At this point, we cannot. it simply is that easy. If we feel we need to move up in the draft to get a QB, then you have ot be ultra aggressive in FA to fill the other positions that you normally would have drafted and developed with those high picks. If you give those picks away without being aggressive in FA then you have effectively said you don't think yo uare ready to win this next season. I don't knpw how many seasons Shanahan has left to get the right people in place. 3 years is about the time frame most guys get to turn it around and at least threaten to make the playoffs.

Of course even that will not be good enough for most people. It would be for me, as long as we hadn't traded away the following years draft and ability to improve throuigh cheap players, because if they are aggressive this year they will be cap limited to do the same thing twice in a row. One other thing, last I checked, Carolina did not win many games either, even with a stat machine for a rookie QB. 

I also do not think you have to move up to #2 unless you think if you move up to #3, that Cleveland will use one of it's extra 1st round picks to move ahead of you and then you would have given up the draft for nothing. I could see this playing out that way. And if I was Cleveland and could trade my later 1st and some other picks to move up and get 2 of the top 4 picks, especially with the new rookie salary cap structure, I would do that no matter what Washingtone does, or even if I didn't want a QB at all I would give up less and trade the late 1st round pick to get two picks i nthe top 10. They presumably would get two players to fill skill positions at a high level for at least 4 years. Like the year we got Arrington and Samuels with the 2 and 3 picks.

 

Creavis pointed out to me on another thread that the Dolphins shouls have the inside track on Flynn since they hired his coach to be theoir new head coach. He may be right/ it's just possible he promised a two for one deal when he got hired.....

As far as I'm concerned, here are our options at QB and each is based off of the next.

Option 1 - Sign Matt Flynn in FA and draft a QB like Tannillhil, Weeden or someone like that in the 2nd or 3rd round. Worst case, Flynn plays great and we're able to trade that rookie QB after a couple of years like the Patriots did with Cassell and the Eagles did with Kolb.

Option 2 - We don't get Flynn in FA. Sign a veteran QB like Orton, Matt Moore or even Chad Henne in FA. I'm not high on any of them, but would they really be any worse than Rex or Beck? Do whatever it takes to get RGIII. Then have him learn the offense and hopefully he takes the reigns and runs away with the job.

Option 3 - We don't get Flynn in FA and we don't get RGIII in the draft. Than we sign one of the Veteran QB's mentioned above and draft one of the other decent quality QBs in round 2 or 3. Maybe also draft a Case Keenan or Noles or one of the others later in the draft.

No matter what, we need to let Rex go and Beck is only a camp QB. I am so tired of people saying we should keep Rex because he knows the offense. That's a BS excuse at this point. Knowing the offense means nothing because he can't play in it. So he needs to go.

So try for Flynn. If you can't get him, get RGIII. If you can't get him, do whatever it takes to get whichever of the other QB's that best fits this system and lets hope he turns into the next Tom Brady.

Sorry to high jack the post, but you can't talk about RBIII without understanding that he might not even be an option. So the Shanny's have got to work out a detailed plan for what to do.

Option 1 - Sign Matt Flynn in FA and draft a QB like Tannillhil, Weeden or someone like that in the 2nd or 3rd round.

you people are crazy.  NO team is going to sign Matt Flynn and then draft a QB in the first 2 rounds and even the 3rd might be pushing it.

Take this for what it's worth but Jason La Confora reported earlier that league execs have heard that we plan on trading up to the #2 spot in the draft to land Robert Griffin or Andrew Luck if we cannot sign Matt Flynn.

I would beleive that it make sense. If we want RGIII then we have to pick second, that ensures we get our man. I am fine with going after Matt Flynn provided it does not cost us any draft picks. If the Packers franchise him and then we have to trade for him he is not worth it. I want out own homegrown QB so I am all in for RG Luck will not be there unless the Colts trade down.

HTTR

Jason La Confora reported earlier that league execs have heard that we plan on trading up to the #2 spot in the draft to land Robert Griffin or Andrew Luck

I personnaly am against this.  I think it will cost us a 1 and a 2 this yera to make that move.  I would rather throw in next year's 1 and go after luck at the top spot.  or let the Browns darft RG III trade back to get more picks and land the top ILB and then trade a 4th rd pick for Coly Mccoy

Alright, look at all the playoff teams.  Cincinnati drafted Andy Dalton; Baltimore, drafted Joe Flacco; Denver drafted Tim Tebow; New England drafted Tom Brady; New York drafted Phillip Rivers and traded for Eli on draft day; Pittsburgh drafted Rothlisburger; Green Bay drafted Aaron Rodgers; San Francisco drafted Alex Smith; Detroit drafted Matt Stafford; Atlanta drafted Matt Ryan; the only team in the playoffs this year that did not draft their QB was New Orleans, and they got one hell of a QB.

We will forever and always be in the same boat every single year until we draft 'our' guy, we can sign all the Matt Flynn's and Colt McCoy's we want but unless we sign Drew Brees or Peyton Manning we will have to go through another season of average to below average QB play.  In order to move up to the first pick we would have to give up our 1st and 2nd round picks and probably and 2nd in 2013. This all to land a dynamic QB who will instantly put us into contention for the next 10 or so years. 

To me mortgaging 3-4 draft picks over the course of 2 years to land a QB who could possibly lead this team for the next 10 or so years is well worth it to me.  I'm also just over seeing each and every year going out and signing other teams castoffs and hoping they work out.  Our franchise QB for the next 10 years needs to come out of this draft imo.

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I am a fan of Coly McCoy, I don't think he will ever be elite, but I think he can be/is as good as Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan (might be a stretch), or Alex Smith

I like RG III, but would just rather give up 3 elite picks for Andrew luck instead of 2 for RG III

And if we can't get either a mid-round pick for Mccoy seems like a wise investment to me


I also believe a mid-round QB pick for anyone else will most likely be a waste.  Mike Shannahan is gone after this season if we aren't .500, unless RGIII or Luck is amazing as a rookie we won't be .500. 
But a 1st round pick on them will keep them as the face of the franchise.  a 3rd round pick on say tannehille gets another QB drafted in 2013 as the new QB of the future.

I like Colt McCoy but I would say he is no where near the likes of Flacco or Matt Ryan, not even close.

I'd be for trading all the way up to #1 for Luck if our coaches feel like it is the best move for us, who knows maybe they are planning on trading up to #1.  I know it's really early but it's supposedly not guarnteed that the Colts select Luck, they are high on Griffin as well.

I don't think Shanahan will be gone after this season regardless of his record, if Snyder is a man of his word Shanahan should have a solid 5 years here to show what he can do. 

I firmly believe that we were a good QB away from being an 8-8 team this year.  Look at both the Cowboys games this year, if we had a competent QB we would have won those games.  I think we are a 7-8 win team if we add any QB better than Grossman and a playmaking WR.

the only team in the playoffs this year that did not draft their QB was

So how many teams that missed the playoffs drafted their QB? Yup, most of them. We also drafted Shuler and Campbell, and won Superbowls with Theisman and Williams so though it makes sense to you it doesn't really validate anything. I want to draft a QB, but getting someone else to play until he is ready is ok too. 

We can't continue to mess around with place holder QB.  No Colt McCoy.  They need to either invest in a guy like Matt Flynn who has had time to sit behind Aaron Rodgers, get comfortable in the NFL and seems to have a promising future or trade up and get a guy like RG3.  My preference is RG3, but you can only give up so much.  Its hard because FA is before the draft.

I would like to get RGIII as well. I am not so comfortable with Matt Flynn. I have a lot of respect for Charley Casserly and he thinks Flynn is not a good fit for the Redskins. That is not to say that he would not be good here it is just the opinion of a man I happen to think knows the Redskins and what works or fits for us.

I like getting Matt Flynn because we do not have to give up any draft picks, however I like RGIII and feel if we do not make the move this year the price will only go up for a rookie QB. We are not going to win only two games next year so we can pick up or franchise QB with out moving up. So we might as well pay the price now if RGIII is our man in my opinion.

I have read that Flynn will not be franchised so it will just be who bids the highest for him or he will chose the team he wants to play for and get the best deal he can.

We have a lot of holes however the most glaring hole is the QB play and the turnovers our QB's produce. We are never going to win with what we currently have. Maybe we go after Orton and draft a QB in the second round or if we sign Orton we grab a QB latter in the first round if we are able to trade down and get another pick.

It will be interesting how FA goes.

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We can't continue to mess around with place holder QB.  No Colt McCoy.  They need to either invest in a guy like Matt Flynn who has had time

Matt Flynn has 2 NFL starts
why is he anything different than a placeholder

RG III and Andrew Luck have zero why are they anything different than place holders


every QB is a place holder until you find one to win you a championship and some of those are place holders (see trent dilfer, brad johnson, jeff hostetler) or a hall of famer and not all of those win championships

was Jason Campbell a place holder when he was drafted?
was heath schuler?


Drew Brees was a 2nd rd pick
Tom Brady was a 6th rd pick
kurt warner went undrafted

every QB is a place holder until they're not and some become place holders again see kurt warner Giants and kurt warner Cardinals