Required Offseason Plan for Sucess!

OK here goes....There has been alot of speculation about what the Skins need to CONTINUE to do in the offseason so that we can build on the progress we have made so far.  Slowly but surely we will build on what we have and have a foundation for long term success like the Patriots or Steelers.  

First we need to address much of the glaring wholes on both sides of the ball such as: QB, WR, OLine, CB, S, LB

The QB is the leader and we need to get someone under center who fits Shanny's system and can either develop (if we draft one) or can play as a stop gap to groom a prospect.  Two option: 1. trade the world for RGIII or 2. bring in a stop gap and draft a prospect. There are upsides to both.  Option 1: IF ITS DEEMED THAT RGIII IS WORTH IT, then I'm for it.  Mortgaging the draft is bad because we have less to fill the holes we have, but we can supplement that with free agency.  This is contingent that RGIII is worth it.  Option 2: is good because we can bring in a QB like Orton or Flynn and save the picks we have to draft more players.

BRING IN ORTON AND DRAFT TANNEHILL AS THE FUTURE 

WR: is important as well, we need a legitimate number 1 threat: Recommendation: Address this need in Free Agency.  We will pay more for a WR, however bringing in someone like Dwayne Bowe pairing him with Moss and Gaffney will make our recieving core legitimate.  

BRING IN DWAYNE BOWE

OL: we need DEPTH and quality starters to continue to build on the zone blocking schemes. Recommendations: Use the draft and bring in guys who fit the scheme.  We need to address this IMMEDIATELY.  We need Depth badly.  Games are won on both the lines.  


CB: We need some help because Hall is good but we need an Elite corner.  Recommendation: Draft for nickle situations but bring in another free agent such as Brent Grimes from ATL.  

BRING IN Brandon Carr OR BRENT GRIMES

S: Landry is good but ALWAYS HURT so we need bring in a replacement.  We might not resign him, so we need to plan accordingly.  Gomes showed some potential and Atogwe hasn't lived up to the signing yet, so we need to address this through the draft.


LB: We need to address the ILB need and have fletcher groom a replacement.  LEts face it, Fletcher will not be around forever so we need to find his replacement.    

Agree but I bring in Finnegan at CB

Safety is a problem because we havea lot invested there and are still not solid. I think like a lot of players, having an offseason with a real date to come to work, and team facilities and medical to rehab and train in the off season, with a supervised off season conditioning program, will help Atogwe and I keep him. Landry I am not so sure about, but I try to keep him wothout overpaying. Someone will though so he is probably gone.

Fletcher might not be here this year, much less forever.

I liked Cortland Finnegan, but lately I don't think I'd take him unless it was on the cheap.  If he wants DeAngelo Hall money forget it.  The guy is too much of a penalty liability and he's not in his prime anymore.  The price has to be right for him.  Other than that, I agree with the other stuff as well.  

I really hate us having to still rely on FA but its where we are at until we can get a stockpile (at the very least, 65% of the team) of young team players and home grown vets.  Thats going to take maybe another year however and that's IF we use our draft picks wisely and don't mortgage them for RGIII.  

Its going to be difficult to move up to the Rams spot with Justin Blackmon and Ryan Kalil on the board as it is.  They need one of those guys BADLY so its going to cost us big to try and reach for RGIII.  I like the Matt Flynn + Ryan Tannehill (or someone to replace John Beck) idea.  Rex Grossman needs to stay another year unfortunately since I'm not really game going with only  2 QBs on the roster.  Heck, maybe we draft 2 Qbs later on and get rid of both those guys?...but nah, like the OP said, need to much for the O-line.

We dont necessarily have to move up to #2, all we have to do is move up in front of the Browns.  And we may not have to move up at all if the Browns sign Matt Flynn.

I am really just over signing other teams castoffs, Matt Flynn has been with a winning franchise that has know's what they are doing.  If we sign him he's going to come here and be like what the f&$k kind of operation is this sh)t?

Best and only option in my eyes is to draft our guy.  If we somehow can't land Griffin I'd like to see us trade back and draft which ever QB we feel fits best between Tannehill, Weeden, Foles and Oweiler in the 2nd and then keep acquiring picks like we did last season and draft Russell Wilson or Kellen Moore.  You can never have to many QB's and for some reason I think Russell Wilson can be pretty successful in the NFL, I don't know about Moore but he is projected to go anywhere from 6-7 so may as well take a chance on him if he is there.

I'd be very pleased with another 12 player draft with 2-3 QB's, hell I'd even draft 4-5 OL if we can as well.  But of course my first choice still would be to trade up and draft Griffin.

We dont necessarily have to move up to #2, all we have to do is move up in front of the Browns.  And we may not have to move up at all if the Browns sign Matt Flynn.

I am really just over signing other teams castoffs, Matt Flynn has been with a winning franchise that has know's what they are doing.  If we sign him he's going to come here and be like what the f&$k kind of operation is this sh)t?

Best and only option in my eyes is to draft our guy.  If we somehow can't land Griffin I'd like to see us trade back and draft which ever QB we feel fits best between Tannehill, Weeden, Foles and Oweiler in the 2nd and then keep acquiring picks like we did last season and draft Russell Wilson or Kellen Moore.  You can never have to many QB's and for some reason I think Russell Wilson can be pretty successful in the NFL, I don't know about Moore but he is projected to go anywhere from 6-7 so may as well take a chance on him if he is there.

I'd be very pleased with another 12 player draft with 2-3 QB's, hell I'd even draft 4-5 OL if we can as well.  But of course my first choice still would be to trade up and draft Griffin.

I want Flynn and Blackmon. 
 

I Hear what everyone is saying!  I am definately against mortgaging everything for one guy and relying on Free Agents for the future!  I like Flynn as well ALOT, however I heard that he wants Kolb Money and thats a big contract.  Orton would command less money and would be a stop gap for Tannehill (my favorite QB in the draft). 3

About the free agents....I'm for bringing in a few guys, but do not pull an "eagles" move signing everyone. 

Remember we signed three big free agents last year....Atogwe, Chester, and Wilson. 

Add three more this year....QB (orton), CB (Grimes), WR (Bowe)....and draft the rest!  Rd 1: D.DeCastro, Rd 2: Tannehill, Rd 3-7 (Best available at the posittions we need (ILB, S, Oline)

P.S. Orton is a toss up....any stop gap will do that's better than Grossman! 

Add three more this year....QB (orton), CB (Grimes), WR (Bowe)....and draft the rest!  Rd 1: D.DeCastro, Rd 2: Tannehill, Rd 3-7 (Best available at the posittions we need (ILB, S, Oline)

I do like Kyle Orton.  Hell, if he could find a repoire with Brandon Lloyd he should be able to the same with Santana Moss.    He actually would be a better option but I thought the Chiefs might resign him if they've given up on Matt Cassell.   Matt Flynn will want Kevin Kolb money but Kolb was overpaid and overpaid for and I think teams are going to take that and not give him a disgustingly unearned deal.  That's where the bidding war comes in, however.

As far as trading up for RGIII the Vikings could trade down but they could take RGIII if we don't trade up to the Rams (or anyone else for that matter)...heck, I honestly have no idea how that's going to play out, but I just don't see the benefit in getting RGIII if we have to mortgage the future.  

We were honestly, lucky so many of our draft picks turned out to be solid...but we still lack playmakers and of course, playoff/championship caliber O-line.  If we're going to build through the draft we need to do that even if that means not taking the prime QB on the board.  Not all QBs taken in the 1st round are franchise QBs...and vice versa.  We have options.  It will be intersting to see how it plays out.

Option 2: is good because we can bring in a QB like Orton or Flynn and save the picks we have to draft more players.

I think its more likely than not that the Packers will franchise Matt Flynn

and here is the reason why, either the Redskins or the Dolphins will trade atlkeast 1 1st round pick for him.  but, more likely than not he can demand what Kevin Kolb returned

BRING IN Dwayne Bowe

dwayne bowe blows.  he has the physical tools and doesn't perform...check the stats

2011
81 catches 1,159 yds 5 TDs - Dwayne Bowe
68 catches   947 yds 5 tds - Jabar Gaffney

he had a great 2010 a good 2011, but nothing special

Dwayne Bowe blows.  he has the physical tools and doesn't perform...check the stats

2011
81 catches 1,159 yds 5 TDs - Dwayne Bowe
68 catches   947 yds 5 tds - Jabar Gaffney

he had a great 2010 a good 2011, but nothing special

In Bowe's defense he had some of the worst QBs of all time throwing him the ball throughout a good part of the season and still caught 81 balls for over 1000 yards, to say he blows is a bit ridiclous.

Of less you really like Tyler Palko and feel Bowe let him down somehow.

Bowe led the league in touchdown catches last season, and had over a 1,000 yards receiving this year with arguably worse QB's than what we have.  Bowe would instantly upgrade our receiving corps, I really hope we target either Bowe or Marques Colston in FA.

Bowe lead the leaguse in touchdown catches last season

you mean in 2010 and so?  he had 5 this year

Bowe would instantly upgrade our receiving corps

yes and so would Terrell Owens and Randy Moss
this statment says more about our WR corps than it says about Bowe.


are we ever going to give guys time to develop?

we drafted leonard hanlerson and Niles Paul in the mid-rounds last year and you guys want to bury them on the bench.  now I would agree they have proven nothing.

but we aren't in a position where a WR changes this team's fortunes.  put Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson on this team do we make the playoffs? (according to antz we do if they can kick field goals and bdo field goal protection)

the answer is no, so instead of paying a mediocre WR like he is a #1 WR why not see if the guys can develop and if they don't then go in another direction.

what has Brandon Marshall done for the Dolphins?  what did Dwayne Bowe do for the Chiefs?  larry fitzgerald for the Cardinals? 

Larry Fitzgerald for the Cardinals?

He almost single handed beat the Steelers in the Super Bowl a few years ago.

I think Dwayne Bowe is more than a mediocre WR as well, now if they wanted to pay Golden Tate like a #1 I would have an issue but Bowe is a legit number 1 receiver in this league.

I think Dwayne Bowe is more than a mediocre WR as well...but Bowe is a legit number 1 receiver in this league.

wow so Jabbar gaffney is 13 catches and 200 yards away from being a legit #1 WR?

He almost single handed beat the Steelers in the Super Bowl a few years ago

1.) thats one game
2.) are you going to completely discount kurt warner's efforts in that game?   did Fitz break off long reverses or throw the ball to himself?
3.)  what happened this year?

wow so Jabbar gaffney is 13 catches and 200 yards away from being a legit #1 WR?

Come on now sampson you're being a bit silly, Gaffney had a career year this year, Bowe has regularly put up over 1000 yards. Gaffney is his best year isn't the player Bowe is in your eyes a bad year. In every year except a year he was hurt Bowe pulled in at least 70 balls with 5 TDs and has 3 1,000 yard seasons in the past 5, oh  yeah and has made a Pro Bowl. Gaffney is not in the same league as Bowe as it can be shown his best year isn't anywhere near Bowe's average years.

1.) thats one game
2.) are you going to completely discount kurt warner's efforts in that game?   did Fitz break off long reverses or throw the ball to himself?
3.)  what happened this year?

1. Look at the man's career Larry Fitzgerald is easily one of the top 3 receivers in the league slightly behind Calvin Johnson and Andre Johnson.

2. No Warner did his job as well but Fitz puts up stats regardless of the QB. He's an elite receiver and the Cardinals don't make the Super Bowl if Fitz wasn't on that team.

3. He put up over 1400 yards with 8 TDs and 80 catches with bums like John Skelton and Kevin Kolb throwing him the ball.

An elite WR can go a long way towards helping a QB.

Gaffney is a legit number 3 reciever.  He actually had top 10 hands in the NFL this year (I believe he was 8).  But he isn't a number one.  I think he only had two or three drops, which, measured against the number of balls thrown towards him and catches made, he came out to have the number 8 pair of hands in the league.  

I think we keep him as he is legit.  I'd keep him and see what I can get for Santana Moss.  I think Leonard Hankerson will end up being your number 2.  But we still need a number 1.  Preferably a big target, at least a 6'3".

Just my take.


HAIL! 

http://www.csnwashington.com/footba
ll-washington-redskins/news/gaffney
-had-top-10-hands-in-2011?blockID=635982&feedID=6355

apologies... make that 7th best.  His drop rate is 2.9 percent.  So he catches 97.1% of the passes thrown at him... I'll take that.

Also, Schefty, Morty, and friends are now reporting that the Packers are not going to franchise Matt Flynn.... they have enough to worry about with Jermichael Finley and a couple of other cats in that secondary to worry about a back up quarterback...

I really would like to see either Bowe or Marques Colston signed.

. Look at the man's career Larry Fitzgerald is easily one of the top 3 receivers in the league slightly behind Calvin Johnson and Andre Johnson.

2. No Warner did his job as well but Fitz puts up stats regardless of the QB. He's an elite receiver and the Cardinals don't make the Super Bowl if Fitz wasn't on that team.

3. He put up over 1400 yards with 8 TDs and 80 catches with bums like John Skelton and Kevin Kolb throwing him the ball.

An elite WR can go a long way towards helping a QB.

thatlsk,
I am not arguing about how good larry fitzgerald is.  My argument is that even if we added Fitz the Redskins aren't a playoff team, so instead of paying bowe #1 money I would use those dollars elsewhere

In every year except a year he was hurt Bowe pulled in at least 70 balls with 5 TDs

are those numbers of a true #1 WR?

besides this year those are what Santana Moss averaged and none of us think he is a legit #1 WR

Dwayne Bowe had an incredible 2010 season and every other year he has put up the same stats as a #2 WR


essentially my argument is this.  we drafted Leonard Hankerson and Niles Paul lets see if they can play.  when will the redskins and the people on these boards truly and consistently call for that.

the only question that dwayne bowe is the answer for is who wears #82 for the Chiefs?