Should Clips include Griffin for Howard?

Howard has added Clips to teams he would sign with. Some feel this could only happen if Griffin was part of the package. What if Orlando decided to trade Howard to the Lakers but called the Clips and gave them a take it or leave it chance to get Howard before they sent him to the other LA team.

What should the Clips bottom line be?

First of all, I don't think Howard did in fact add the Clippers to his list - I think that was an unfounded rumor that the media kinda ran with. Secondly, I don't think the Clippers would ever trade Griffin for Howard, and that's really the only deal that even begins to make any sense.

Damn straight jefe101!!! Can't think of 1 benefit the Clippers would gain with Howard instead of Griffin.  Lets see, Howard is a distraction.... not neccessarily in a bad way but he gets so much media attention and he has a strong personality to boot, so no matter what its gonna come down to , what did Howard do, what did Howard say etc??? I like Blake Griffin, he is a humble guy, soft spoken, plays hard, has a well rounded game and a good arsenal of shots. Then you got missed free throws!!! DeAndre Jordan is frustrating enough to have at the free throw line, you really want to watch Howard miss an extra 7 FT's a game(and thats on a good night). Griffin is a solid FT shooter and in close games thats a major factor!!  Howard is so 1 dimensional, unless hes dunking it, you are holding your breathe when he lets go of the ball.... With such a limited shooting game he should have developed an unstoppable hook shot by now!!!! I hate to sit from my cozy chair and bash a player but as far as making a point, I think Griffin is so much more valuable to a team.  They clearly have great chemistry with their current roster.... Chris Paul goes down, no problem you got Billups to start and you could put either Foye or Mo Williams at SG and have either one of them come off the bench.  This team is diverse!!!  They can go Big when it creates a matchup advantage and they can go small when they want to run the court.  No point in shaking up your roster cuz trades are never straight up anymore.  Somehow a guy like Foye or Gomes or Williams would get tossed into the deal and I think the Clippers are perfect right where they are.  I am willing to go so far to say they will make it to the Western Conference Finals this year!!!

Great points guys. I watched Howard take a "T" tonight just as Boston was pulling ahead. What a big baby! How undisciplined! And he can't hit a foul shot. So maybe whoever he gets traded to- that team will be greatly dissappointed. Griffin, Jordan look pretty solid. But someone is going to pay big for Howard. Some wrters have said the Clips would give up Griffin/ Jordan in a heartbeat.

I think that even if Howard for Griffin would help in the short term it would definitely hurt the Clippers chances to win in the long term. Oh wait this is the Clippers so they have no future either way.

If I were the Clippers, I'd trade Griffin and Jordan.....for Dwight Howard.  Griffin's potential is off the charts, and his athleticism is even farther off the charts, but he may never develop the all around game that he could.  Whereas Dwight Howard is clearly the best big in the game hands down, even with any PF (and there are some great ones, especially out west).

The Clipps still need to work on depth, but maybe they could bring in Kenyon Martin in March to help this year and work on adding some pieces for next year, but man

Chris Paul
Chauncey Billups
Caron Butler (who looks pretty recovered from the few games I've seen)
Kenyon Martin likely in March when he's free to come back
Dwight Howard

Is the best team Howard's ever been on (even if Martin's not there), and it's not like the Magic were bad back in the day.

I know it's hard to give up the talent for the "could be's" and Blake Griffin is one heckuva could be, but Dwight Howard is the IS, and he's the best IS big man there is, and playing with the second best PG who's pass first, and his Defense added to that squad (of mostly, good shooters--Paul, Billups, Mo Williams, Butler, Foye and Cook) would be quite a coup for the Clippers.....

I'd take safe route, Griffin's an all star lock for years to come, but Dwight Howard's a hall of famer already in the making and is what a "just turned" 26!

If Howard was say 29, vs Griffin's 22, then maybe not, but at 26, hell yes you do that deal.

Plus I think DeAndre Jordan is overpaid.  He's good to great at blocking shots, but he's not Tyson Chandler defensively and he won't ever be, and he'll never be more than Tyson Chandler offensively (which is the thing that's always kept CHandler from being an all star/superstar).  Funny when Tyson was drafted the Bulls thought he'd be the offensive player and the girthier Eddy Curry would be the defensive player based on their high school careers, and yet in reality, Tyson wouldn't be in the league even with that crazy athleticism if he didn't learn all the reads on Defense and didn't put his focus there....and well Curry shouldn't still be in the league.

Salaries don't match up for Orlando to get Griffin and the Clippers would have to gut the team to match up for Howard. The Clippers don't need Howard with Griffin in the pf position - he is the big man and he playing well and there is no way in hell that the Clippers get Howard without giving up Griffin and Andre Jordan and some others - just is not going to happen
 

I rarely have watched Griffin play. Last night I caught a lot of the game and I was really impressed. Unlike Howard, he doesn't whine throughout the game, he can hit a foul shot or two and man he can be dominant. After what I saw last night and after reflecting on the play of Orlando's other big baby, I think I would stick with Griffin. Lakers: there is always the response that the salaries don't match up and it ain't happening. 90% of what we speculate about here never happens but it is still fun to discuss. That being said, matching salaries aside, what would the deal be you would swing to get Howard if you had control of the Clips and were told to present your bottom line?

If I'm the Clippers, I don't want Howard.   The Clips look great and should build upon what they have...while Howard continues to tear down what Magic had with his different team each week saga.  Howard is immature and overrated.  He'd struggle in the West where there are actually Centers that play the game (Dallas aside).  Let Lakers have Howard. 

Well said Whoosh!!

Anyone who actually believes the Clippers should trade Griffin and DeAndre for Howard should be forever banned from these boards.

Damn straight jefe101!!! Can't think of 1 benefit the Clippers would gain with Howard instead of Griffin. 

Other than a much better defender, a much better rebounder, a guy who can score nearly as much as Griffin and does it more efficiently, a guy who often puts the whole front line of the other team in foul trouble.....other than those things I can't really think of one benefit.

I mean the only things really Griffin brings more of is he is a slightly better passer/playmaker and a slightly better free throw shooter but he does not have near the same impact on the game overall as Dwight Howard.  Oh and he is a better flopper than Howard.  He is already one of the best in the game at that at age 22........The only reason you don't make the trade is if you think Griffin is going to improve A LOT from where he is right now which is possible at his age.  But if you are talking right now, it is no contest.  Howard all the way.

If I'm the Clippers, I don't want Howard.   The Clips look great and should build upon what they have...while Howard continues to tear down what Magic had with his different team each week saga.  Howard is immature and overrated.  He'd struggle in the West where there are actually Centers that play the game (Dallas aside).  Let Lakers have Howard.      

I agree for once - and in fact I think the Clippers would might even be worse off for several reasons. I am not even convinced that the Clippers would be better even if Blake earned the same amount and the trade was straight up. Not to mention that Griffin is younger and going to be around longer.  No matter what you think the team has to think about longetivity beyond their current roster and one of the reasons that teams like the Lakers have bounced back so much faster then others is because they don't wait until every one is too old to deal. Man I feel sorry for the Celtics because they would be lucky to accomplish what Miami did last year in acquisitions   

Anyone who actually believes the Clippers should trade Griffin and DeAndre for Howard should be forever banned from these boards.    

I think I agree - lol.


First of all - the entire team was built around Griffin with Griffin doing the leg work to attract the players that came on board. Without Griffin the Clippers would still be losers - they don't have any talent in the front office to do that on their own - lets get real.  Griffin would really be upset and that in turn would create a lot of bad public relations.


Second - the Clippers don't need Howard - as good as Howard is - he isn't the only good player and no team can have every one - so again lets get real.


Third - the Cippers have chemistry and are rolling - they would be stupid to make those changes            

Without Griffin the Clippers would still be losers - they don't have any talent in the front office to do that on their own - lets get real. 

So in other words you are saying a team with Paul and Billups in the backcourt, Butler and Kenyon Martin (as of today) at forwards and Dwight Howard in the paint as your center would be losers???  You need to step away from the peyote my friend.  Dwight Howard playing with a bunch of random pieces and parts that have not near the talent of the aforementioned group traditionally won 50+ games, made it to the NBA finals once, the Eastern finals once, and the second round once.  You think that he is going to all of a sudden inherit a better group of teammates with the Clippers and do worse than that?

I realize Blake Griffin had a gnarly dunk over a guy a few days ago but come on dude....and maybe (and I do mean "maybe") the team is not quite as good if they give up Griffin and Jordan for Howard.  But if you are saying that they would be losers for making that trade, its you that needs to get real.

Not sure you've seen Blake this year Zagstuh..and maybe that is why it seems you have no idea what you are talking about.  Blake isn't just dunking...he has an array of offensive moves and he has developed a nice passing game.  He is still working on the defensive end but he is a 2nd year player with no training camp.  Give the kid some time.

Not sure how they would go together

better then D and B currently?

Hmmmm imma say LoL cats

Not sure you've seen Blake this year Zagstuh..and maybe that is why it seems you have no idea what you are talking about.  Blake isn't just dunking...he has an array of offensive moves and he has developed a nice passing game.  He is still working on the defensive end but he is a 2nd year player with no training camp.  Give the kid some time

Saw him on opening night when he got outplayed by David Lee (I was in the building) and was getting his flop on (very effective with the refs and a valuable skill whether a like it or not).  The flopping is the only reason that matchup was even close.

I am certain not saying Griffin is a bad player by any means.  He is a great player.  This is not a question of whether or not he is a great player.  It is whether or not he is a better player than Dwight Howard right now.....and as far as RIGHT NOW the answer to that question is an emphatic NO.

As such, as far as whether or not to make a trade for Howard trading Griffin straight up.  The team gets better RIGHT NOW.  As far as making a Jordan/Griffin trade for Howard and whether or not this makes the team get better right now, the answer is MAYBE.  That does not mean you make the trade though because you have to think about the future and how much better Griffin will become.  At the age of 22 there is a decent chance he will improve a little to quite a bit and in the long run this will make it a bad trade.  Same goes for Jordan who I believe is around 22 as well.  Dwight Howard, at 26, is less likely to get a whole lot better than these two guys and that means this may be a bad trade in terms of the future.

I am merely speaking to those on here that it seems anyway are insinuating that Blake Griffin (who is a great player) is better than Dwight Howard RIGHT NOW.  To me that is ludicrous and there is no evidence for that that I can see.

I think Blake Griffin is better than Howard RIGHT NOW on offense.  DH is better than Griffin on defense...however, the numbers game shows Griffin as only 1 block and 4 rebounds shy of Howard...and Blake plays in the West where the competition is tougher.

DH has had 7 years to develop an offensive game and aside from dunks and layups; his shooting is atrocious.

Blake Griffin is in his 2nd year and can put the moves on you like the late Shaq.

If you look at a guy with 2 years in league and he is playing as well as a guy 7  years in the league and he hasn't shown the immaturity or attitude issues of DH, why would you NOT think he is better.

Clearly, your insight is on one game.  Likely a good game by Love and maybe not a great game by Blake.  So I can see why you seem like your talking outta your butt...   Yet, if you look at the numbers and you watch the games, you'd see....  Griffin is the next best thing and he is in fact better than DH RIGHT NOW in many areas.  And the kid is only getting better.  No one in their right mind would trade Griffin for anyone.

I'd take Griffin's flopping over Love's stomping...  HAHAHA LOL