The Sidney Crosby Saga Part II... Trade Him?

Well, interesting news today out of Crosby camp. here is a link to an article:
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p
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few things we have learned from this recent development.

1. Tom Brady and Sidney Crosby are friends?
2. UPMC really sucks.
3. Crosby has a neck injury
4. Yahoo Sports sucks
5. Crosby could come back this year or maybe not.
6.  Crosby nor his agent aren't too happy with the Penguins

Now, #6 is very troubling especially considering that crosby will soon be dealing with Shero about a new contract. Will he still want to stay here? will the penguins grant his wish and change team doctors like they got rid of Rob Rossi (the man who predicted that Neal would finish the year with 17 goals) as Penguins Beat Writer when Crosby asked the penguins to do so? Will this whole situation drive him out of Pittsburgh? I think it would be an overstretch to suggest that this would cause Crosby to leave, but at the end of the day, a guy has to do what he has to do. Same with the team, they can't lose Crosby for nothing. so of course trade offers will arise.

so the question is, could crosby be traded for and if so what would YOU offer (non penguins fans) or what would YOU ask (penguin fans) from other teams for him?

just thought it would be an interesting topic.

 

lets face it, if he does not want to stay as a Penguins they have to move him now because next season they cant! right now Crosby isnt that much worth because no one would make a move on him without any clear insight or information on this mess. it seems even the guys in pittsburgh had no clue what going on. do you really would throw picks, prospects and at least one heck of player from your team into a deal for an guy who may never be healthy again and isnt able to play a whole season....i wouldnt!

in this case i would offer you Scott Gomez, a nice warpped gift with some candy in it and a signed autograph card from Celine Dion! Lemieux shouldn`t think twice on this....

1. Tom Brady and Sidney Crosby are friends?

Does everyone in the sports world know everyone else? Seems like an odd combination to me.

Trade him?! Whats his value??? Personally I think his career is about as done as Rick DiPietro. As unfortunate as it is.

The physicality of the NHL has just gotten the best of these 2...or the worst.

2. UPMC really sucks.

That's the 800 pound gorilla in the room. For whatever reason, the Penguins seem to have a very hard time successfully diagnosing injuries. First Crosby and then James Neal. His foot is broken. Oops, wait, just kidding.

Yes, it's possible that they've just had a streak of bad luck with injuries that anyone would have trouble diagnosing. It's also possible that the doctors they use aren't very good at what they do. When the kind of money these guys make is involved, you'd think an organization would take every necessary step to know what's wrong, and I just don't see that happening here.

I can't blame him for being unhappy about this.

I'd think about signing him as a UFA, but I don't know about trading any assets for him. Like it or not, his career is a huge question mark at this point.

Penguins may have landed on their feet after years ago almost packing it in.  However perhaps they built a house of cards (Pens fans would know better than I).  My point is the players, the immediate team have grown into a competitor, and the fanbase, but the outside edges, the medical staff, the trainers, the scouting, all other aspects may have been underdeveloped... Crosby turned the whole system around financially in a matter of a season or two, but the real development would take longer...

But Crosby could never be moved with that contract, unless it is for nothing at all... 

Yes, it does appear that if Crosby's smart he'll hand up the skates so that he can complete a sentence in his 50s.  Giving up assets for him right now would be pretty foolish.  Rider:  If trading a second-rounder or less for him and he signs a conditional extension (meaning he has to play for the contract to come into existence) then what the hell as a gamble.  The reward would justify the risk.

 Well interesting news today out of Crosby camp. here is a link to an article:
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p

uck-daddy/tom-brady-advice-penguins

-sidney-crosby-gets-neck-011529398.

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few things we have learned from this recent development.

1. Tom Brady and Sidney Crosby are friends?
2. UPMC really sucks.
3. Crosby has a neck injury
4. Yahoo Sports sucks
5. Crosby could come back this year or maybe not.
6.  Crosby nor his agent aren't too happy with the Penguins

Now, #6 is very troubling especially considering that crosby will soon be dealing with Shero about a new contract. Will he still want to stay here? will the penguins grant his wish and change team doctors like they got rid of Rob Rossi (the man who predicted that Neal would finish the year with 17 goals) as Penguins Beat Writer when Crosby asked the penguins to do so? Will this whole situation drive him out of Pittsburgh? I think it would be an overstretch to suggest that this would cause Crosby to leave, but at the end of the day, a guy has to do what he has to do. Same with the team, they can't lose Crosby for nothing. so of course trade offers will arise.

so the question is, could crosby be traded for and if so what would YOU offer (non penguins fans) or what would YOU ask (penguin fans) from other teams for him?

just thought it would be an interesting topic.


Not too sure what his value would be.. Tough question to answer..  When healthy he is arguably the top player out there. Trouble is, his health has been a major concern over the past year and a half.
I don't see the Penguins getting what Sid is really worth in return though. It would be a tough sell to a team to offer top picks and solid prospects in return for someone with a major health concern. 
I think it may be in sid's best interest to hang em up for a few seasons ( a la Lemieux) to regain (if possible) his health .
I wish him well and a recovery from these injuries . It would definately hurt the game to see him go out like this.

It would be nearly impossible to trade him. The Penguins would have to get a boatload back for him, because if he does get healthy, they would be foolish to give away the best player in the game for anything less. And with all the question marks around Crosby, the fact he is only signed for one more year, and his cap hit, teams won't be willing to give up very much for him. There would be just way too much risk for either side for a deal to get done.

If Crosby is upset with the Penguins and it's not yet another rumor, I understand it, but I don't think it would make him not want to resign with the Penguins. Would any other team have been any better in handling the situation? I think people are unfairly blaming the Penguins. They partner with UPMC which is one of the best medical organizations in the country. They set him up with Dr. Collins and Dr. Carrick, 2 of the leading concussion experts in the country. They gave him 11 months to recover and would have given him more if needed. What more should they do? Did those people or organizations mess up? Maybe, but would any other team have done anything different? Look how the Bruins handled Savard. Why aren't people blasting the Bruins? The fact that it is Sidney Crosby just magnifies the situation and people want to blame somebody, but I'm not sure anybody really deserves the blame. It's just an unfortunate incident that technology and/or knowledge of concussions didn't catch.

Can't trade him.    Franchise is built around him and the system isn't equipped to change philosophies.   

Few would want him and none would give up quality "known" assets for him.   They would maybe sacrifice high-end but unknown picks and young players or prospects.   It would still be trading for quesion marks.   Better to gamble with what Shero has already, and the team is built to be a championship contender with Crosby healthy, who knows what the team will be like if he's traded for more players. 

As bad and unfortunate as the Crosby situation has been, he still demands that Shero stick to a philosophy of finding good value and cost effective value in role players from the system and fas that are down on the list.   Shifting gears and contruction philosophy means that Shero will be spending more on FA gambles.    Moving Crosby means he'll be throwing a ton of money on bad gambles for top 4 d-men and top 6 forwards as very few gms strike gold with those acquisitions.   Kaberle, Leino, Bryzgalov, Brewer, Ward, Markov, gagne, Connolly, etc., that's likely the kind of players Crosby's cap hit would be spent on.   Sure there will be a hit here and there, but I'm not sure that Crosby's cap hit spent on FAs will get the team anywhere closer to winning a championship this season or the next.

Eat the money and take the gamble that he'll be healthy for the postseason.    Shero should be focusing on a short-term deal for Sid (2 years at near-max cap hit) while he restructures the system to the point he'll be flexible to let Sid walk or whatever.  

Kaberle, Leino, Bryzgalov, Brewer, Ward, Markov, gagne, Connolly, etc., that's likely the kind of players Crosby's cap hit would be spent on.

Maybe, but there are other options in this up coming FA year that are pretty much can't miss such as Parise and/or guys on the trading block like Ryan and/or guys on the Penguins that are due for a raise like Neal. His entire $9M cap hit wouldn't be completely wasted.

I agree with what you are saying, but as a Penguin fan, I'd rather see us spend nearly $9M on other players than spend it on Crosby if he's not going to play. It puts us at a disadvantage compared to teams that spend to the cap. However, waiting for Crosby is worth the risk.

I guess I will go along with the topic and the posters logic on this subject. Heres what I think will happen. Sid will never be traded ever. If Sid has to sit 2 more years he will sit and get better. Just like when Mario was out with Lymphomia, bad back and the myriad of other ailments he had. The Pens waited for him to come back on Marios time. Being the best player in the world allows you this option. Think if the Pens traded him now and two years goes by and SId comes back 100% like Mario did. You couldnt have gotten enough for him ever. The team that gets the best player win the trade, no matter what. Sid will only be what 27 or so at that time and can come back for 3 or 5 years still the best player in the league. Book that. 

Now if Sid doesnt want to be here and makes it known and causes problems then its a whole new ballgame. But knowing Sid, he is not unhappy with Mario or the team that Mario built.

Thats about the best I can muster. Good Luck Sid. We will wait as long as it takes.  

1. Tom Brady and Sidney Crosby are friends?

I've seen worse duo's for the world...Germany and Italy in the mid-late 1930's comes to mind. 

2. UPMC really sucks.

Should have gone to a Philadelphian hospital.  Best in the country.

3. Crosby has a neck injury

Ironic, because he's been such a pain in the neck for 29 other NHL teams.

4. Yahoo Sports sucks

They do, but I love their fantasy baseball/football setups. 

5. Crosby could come back this year or maybe not.

To be or not to be...

This is his last year to come back, as well as everyone else's. 

6.  Crosby nor his agent aren't too happy with the Penguins

Who isn't these days?


:P

Now if Sid doesnt want to be here and makes it known and causes problems then its a whole new ballgame. But knowing Sid, he is not unhappy with Mario or the team that Mario built.

For what it's worth ... Sid and Mario watched the All Star game festivities together at Mario's house.  I presume this at least means they are still on speaking terms.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=614561

My kingdom for a competent medical staff.

                So it took what was it?  Six specialists we know of... and random others to confirm he has a "soft-tissue injury" to his neck. We here in Pittsburgh call that a "black & blue mark".   

We here in Pittsburgh call that a "black & blue mark". 


No, we don't.

Crow, see folk on the outside really do not know what the f  is up. Like real pittsburghers know that Mario is like a second father to Sid, and that Sid was staying at the house that Mario built since the day he was drafted and for years after that until Sid wanted to move out and get his own house. Sid still goes over Marios and hangs out with Marios Kids as well. Mario may be considered one of the greatest players to ever play hockey and is an even better person. Sid takes after Mario, Mario is Sids hero and that you could never do better than that. 

So yins guys who anit sure of whats goin on, take all that to the bank.  

Yes we do