Trade Rumors 2012 edition.

Hodgson from Vancouver to buffalo for Kassian.     

I like this trade........Cody is small and Zake is a big boy........exactly what the Canucks needed add and drop.


Hodgson is a good player and will like been close to home again......Sabres were screaming for a Centre Man.



 

We really need to ask CBS again for that ignore button.  Who the hell is Casian?

isn't he the guy in that Narnia movie?  maybe they play hockey in narnia.  lol

I like this trade........Cody is small and Zake is a big boy........exactly what the Canucks needed add and drop.

i agree that kasian is what the nucks need, however i feel that you could have gotten more for hodgson, IMO.  Kasian seems like a gritty 3rd line player who might be able to play on the 2nd line of a weaker team.  hodgson is a legit 2nd line player, with the potential to perhaps develop into a top line guy.

vancouver filled a need, no doubt, but i think they paid too much for it.  imo

i agree that kasian is what the nucks need, however i feel that you could have gotten more for hodgson, IMO.  Kasian seems like a gritty 3rd line player who might be able to play on the 2nd line of a weaker team.  hodgson is a legit 2nd line player, with the potential to perhaps develop into a top line guy.

I agree with almost everything you said, except for one thing.  I highly doubt based on the circumstances that Vancouver could have done any better or gotten more for Hodgson.  At the end of the season Hodgson is a RFA who's currently working on a cap hit of around 400 grand and a salary of only around 780 or something like that.  What I'm saying is he's due a nice raise and is easily going to get one.  The Canucks are already going to be in plenty of trouble with the cap, especially if they hold onto Schneider who's also a RFA. And the Canucks already have 2 centers ahead of Hodgson that he'll never pass by.... he's stuck on the 3rd line. 

What I'm getting at is other teams know the Canucks situation and aren't going to bend over backwards to help bail them out. Buffalo was a perfect fit because they need a good center, especially a young and talented kid like Hodgson.

I watched this Kassian kid play in person in the OHL a few times, he's got tremendous upside in my opinion.  And guys like him don't come along often, finesse players are a little easier to find.

Technically yes, from an offensive talent standpoint the Canucks overpaid.  But they traded a player they couldn't use properly anyway.

I watched this Kassian kid play in person in the OHL a few times, he's got tremendous upside in my opinion. And guys like him don't come along often, finesse players are a little easier to find.

Great post 1969............I remember the World Juniors.......he is tough and has great hands..........That is what Vancouver needs. 




Lot of Canuck fans are VERY Unhappy about losing Cody today.....so hopefully Zake will pay off right away.....And what I like about this trade is Defenceman Grogeneni..........this guy has majot potential.


   

Lot of Canuck fans are VERY Unhappy about losing Cody today.....so hopefully Zake will pay off right away.....And what I like about this trade is Defenceman Grogeneni..........this guy has majot potential.

I don't know why Canucks fans would be upset, except for maybe they don't know anything about Kassian. Although I've admitted that yes, Cody Hodgson has a load of talent and will most likely do very well in the NHL, the problem is he never would have put up big numbers in Vancouver.  He's a 3rd line center for the Canucks and that's it, and in the playoffs when the games get tight you don't need too many finesse players on the 3rd and 4th lines.  Canuck fans are looking at Hodgson's offensive upside in comparison with Kassian's, but forgetting over and over again that except for the very odd powerplay he's not going to get ice 3rd line ice time.  As much as everybody wants him to convert, he's not a winger.. he's a natural center and that's where he needs to play 20 minutes a game.  That's something the Canucks could never offer him, not with Sedin and Kesler in front of him.

Another thing some Canucks fans are forgetting about is MONEY. The NHL has a hard cap, it's not like most other sports.  Kassian is signed for another 2 years at a reasonable 870 thousand dollar cap hit, where Hodgson is a RFA after the season and likely to get a nice raise.  The Canucks could already have salary cap issues next year as it is,  they can't be overpaying 3rd line centers just because they are talented.  They are already at about 53 million dollars for around 18 players, at least 5 spots to fill for what's now about 10 million dollars.  They still don't have guys like Mason Raymond or Schneider signed, as well as a couple forwards beyond that. 

In the end Vancouver fans will like Kassian..... it's just a matter of time. 

Technically yes, from an offensive talent standpoint the Canucks overpaid.  But they traded a player they couldn't use properly anyway.

I agree.   I think the Pahlsson upgrade adds some defensive responsibility and a big body with some skill on the wing with the twins, Burrows, Kesler, etc. will be something that improves the team overall.    Gragnani may turn out to be a steal, but that will be in a couple years.   The only concern with Kassian is that he's a rookie and prone to mistakes.    He's not the best skater either, that may be a problem later.  

I think the move makes Vancouver less likely to win the cup this year but more likely to win it the following 2 years.   Tough to call trading for a rookie from a different system an upgrade, but who knows.   

I still like that Gillis made the moves.

West:

Columbus did not need Phalsson to finish the year with them, so almost any thing they would have gotten, would have been good. The result was good, good for them.

Detroit did not need Commodore especially after getting Quincey. Small victory for them.

Edmonton lost in the Gilbert trade. Gilbert is repectable all round Defensemen, while Schultz is a decent defensive Defensemen, but not the physical side. Edmonton will save money, so maybe that was more important to them.

Colorado got a good player in Jamie McGinn. He will get an oportunity to play on the top 2 lines and with patience he will remain there by the start of next season. I don't know all the players involved to really judge if it is overall a good trade or not. It seems like both teams got what they wanted.

Chicago picked a decent defensemen in Oduya. More or less the opposite of John Scott. I know Scott does not play big minutes when he does play, but I think I might have kept him for his super strength.  Overall they are little faster and little less tougher, but this might only be at their depth level and have little effect.

Vancouver did pretty good. Andrew Gordon should not be over looked. At the very least a good depth player to fill in. The Canucks paid too much for Phalsson but I am guessing he was the best player they could get to fill that role. They have a team that can win and this trade was for today. This type of trade had to be done. Both teams did okay in the Hodgson trade. 

Minnesota are better with Gilbert than Schultz. Getting Kampfer who will be a RFA next year for a player they will lose to UFA is great for Minnesota.

Anaheim, I don't know much about who they got in return to judge. I must admit that I thought Mark Fraser would have been a respectable 5th or 6th Defensemen by now. 

San Jose were thinking "now", so they did okay in the Colorado trade. I think next year they are going to regret trading Jamie McGinn. I am not saying this guy is going to be a star, but I think he is going to be better than most initially expected.

Edmonton lost in the Gilbert trade. Gilbert is repectable all round Defensemen, while Schultz is a decent defensive Defensemen, but not the physical side. Edmonton will save money, so maybe that was more important to them.

I wonder if it was just as simple as getting new faces in the lockerroom.     2 franchises that have to start turning the corner needed to change things.   Of course, this trade is easier to understand for Fletcher, maybe he wants to change the culture maybe.   For Tambellini, it makes even more sense because he changes things by running Gilbert out and keeping Hemsky and Horcoff (sarcasm).

I can't wait to read about all the trades that never happened the next few weeks.    I wonder if they'll be full of as much b.s. as most of the trade speculation.

Just heard that the Rangers were offering Dubinsky, Tim Erixon, J.T. Miller + one other prospect (sorry! forgot the name), + 1st round pick for Nash.

I wonder if it was just as simple as getting new faces in the lockerroom. 

You might be right, I even heard some NHl personalities say the same thing. The one bad thing about Gilbert is that is offensive ability is a bit over rated. Don't get me wrong I would say it is better than average, but he was given a times a lot of quality minutes to show off his offense and failed in my eyes. He is basically closer to being okay offensively than good. Also, I get the fact that Giblert who was born in Minnesota would be some one they are interested in.

... running Gilbert out and keeping Hemsky and Horcoff (sarcasm).

I am still scratching my head about the Hemsky signing. 

Here is my forgotten Nashville comment too.

Nashville got some pretty good new talent but paid too much in my eyes. Except Smithson, but he might make the least impact of the 3. A good depth pick up at the very least. I understand the brother connection and even the fact that if any coach can stiumulate Kotitsyn in the right way its Trotz. Nashville has a lot of players on forward who are above average in talent, this guy complained about his ice time in Montreal. So he won't like his position in the heiarchy in Nashville even more. Gaustad is a good additon too, but I think I might have been the only one that did not think that a number one pick would be involved. Although adding in the 4th pick from the other side makes it more palatable. It makes me wonder what was being offered for Steve Ott and therefore why Dallas did not trade him.

I am still scratching my head about the Hemsky signing.

man, some of the subtle little jokes that the analysts were making about that deal during the deadline coverage was awesome.

i have yet to find a single person, outside of edmonton, who actually thinks that was a good signing.  however, the people in edmonton seem to love (as i scratch my head in confusion).  some of the clowns are hockeybuzz were justifying it by using a gretzky quote from 5 or 6 years ago, where wayne said he thougth hemsky was one of the most talented players in the leauge.  or my favorite, quoting jagr from a few weeks ago, who said that with the right linemates, hemsky could be a 100pt player, which he followed up by saying that he hadn't seen hemsky play in the last 4 years, being in the KHL.

the oiler fans on that site are the biggest homers EVER!!!

Dumb signing, $5M could've been used to sign a good quality d-man in the off-season, which they so desparately need, hemsky should've been pawned off for a pick at the very least, and in getting rid off him, you free up $5M in cap space, smart move for a small market franchise.

Its not like I am a Hemsky hater, but I agree with skinny123 that they should have used the money to sign a quality Defensemen. Oilers have Magnus Paajarvi who needs room to grow. Plus, Linus Omark could easily be a top 9 Forward. I know Omark took a step backwards this year, but he had a good first year. Also, they should have used the money to sign Smyth one more year. Will this be the line up for the Oilers next season. (Omark wishfull thinking lol)

Hall Hopkins Eberle

Paajarvi Gagner Hemsky

Jones Horcoff Omark

Eager Belanger Petrell

needs room to grow.

That's one of the problems I have with the Hemsky contract.   He's a redundant skill set.   If he is a leader and the kids rely on him, his injury history makes the situation that much worse.  Either give the kids ice time and responsibility or let them develop in other leagues.   I can't stand the way Tambellini and Lowe have been setting up these kids to fail.   The Hemsky retention is more of the same.