who is worse lebron or carmelo/dwight

Forget about Lakers fans being Lebron haters for a second, tell me what is wrong with someone wanting their player to let the team know they wont come back like Melo, Howard and Paul did, rather having their player not say anything like Lebron did and have their team to take a major gambleForget about Lakers fans being Lebron haters for a second, tell me what is wrong with someone wanting their player to let the team know they wont come back like Melo, Howard and Paul did, rather having their player not say anything like Lebron did and have their team to take a major gamble

Color me silly but I'd actually prefer that my star player plays 100%, gives maximum effort for the duration of his contract and then he's free to go when he wants. 

But that's just me.

Lebron not knowing he was going to Miami is right up there in NBA methology with David Sterns not knowing that the Hornets had confirmed the Chris Paul to the Lakers deal.  But I guess when we live in a world where communication seems to be at its most primitive level, I can how one can believe that information doesn't pass hands easily.  

It's really nice that it all worked out well for Sterns with that CP3 to the Clippers.  Luckily the Clippers were able to land Billups at the last minute with their "secret" bid that landed them Billups.  We all know how wanting the Clippers were at the point guard position with Randy Foye, Eric Bledsoe and Mo Williams, the guy they gave up Baron Davis and their number one draft pick for which landed Cleveland Kyrie Irving.  Everything tied up in a nice little bow.

Possibly but, even still, then that's on Dan Gilbert to make the move.  It's not LeBron James' responsibility to quit on his team.  It's the ownerships responsibility to quit on the player.  Again, you all say you like it a certain way now, but had LeBron James quit on Cleveland in the middle of that season and stated he wanted to go elsewhere, the outrage would have been insane.  Kobe Bryant let the Lakers know that he wanted out.  Aren't you excited they didn't go through with it?  You should be.  Management makes their own decisions and good management prevails regardless.  Cleveland sucking is not LeBron's fault but Cleveland's fault and there's no other argument to it.

And what's with that last paragraph?  You're going on on your own separate tangent that has not a thing to do with Dwight Howard or LeBron James. 

Lebron did not claim he only wanted Miami, he claimed there was a real list of team which came courting.  Those would have been the teams Cleveland would have negotiated with if, you in fact, believe Lebron was telling the truth about his options.

Of course teams are going to court him, but that doesn't mean he's going to sign an extension with them. Unless he came out and said "this is who I'll play for" (which he didn't) then it's useless to negotiate with Cleveland. You think NY is going to give up all they did knowing that James isn't going to sign an extension? That's the ONLY reason why NY traded for Melo was because they knew he WAS INDEED going to sign an extension.

If he were completely lying and told the truth that he wanted to only go to Miami, you either trade with Miami or you look for a team that wanted him as a rental, like almost any team that was in the playoff run that Lebron could have lifted to elite status.

You yourself said that Miami didn't have any players to trade to Cleveland, so you're telling me that the Cavs should have traded him in the middle of a championship run? So what would they have gotten in return? Maybe a lot of draft picks and cash like they did at the end of the season? Gilbert isn't stupid enough to do that in the middle of the season, more than likely end up one and done in the playoffs (if they made it all), while losing LOTS of money by not making a deep playoff run with HCA.

A team making a playoff run is only going to be expected to give up bench players, their starting SF AND gets keep their other 4 starters in exchange for the best player in the league? Gilberts not that stupid.

And don't put to much stock in the draft picks received in sign and trade deals.  The Cavs got two first round pick from Miami starting this year up until 2017.  There isn't a lot top talent at the bottom of the first round.  I think 2017 is when Lebron should be winning his, not 4, not 5, but 6th championship.  Where did Cleveland get the Kevin Irving pick?  That was from the Clippers in the Mo Williams deal.  Before this year, the Clippers were the type of team where you got valuable draft picks.

The more draft picks the better and there's no way of spinning that into a bad thing.


As far as Mo Williams goes, he begged not to be traded and wanted to stay in Cleveland. Did Gilbert give a crap, nope! He shipped him to LA. Until Owners start giving players a heads up that they're being shopped and not getting a phone call in the middle of the night saying they've been traded, then why should players let owners know that they don't intend on re-signing? I'm sure players would love to know what's going on, or know that they don't have to relocate their family "again" but we both know that's not how the business works. Most times they're kept in the dark.

Still hard to believe that the Cavs traded the "great All-Star" that is Mo Williams for a measley 1st round pick and Baron Davis, huh??

When Lebron was a free agent, Griffin had yet to play a professional game, but was still a number one draft pick.  Lebron or the number one draft pick who had yet to play?  Yes, I think the answer would have been easy.

Yes the answer would have been easy for the Clippers. Take a chance on Griffin that he'll recover from a knee injury because he's still under contract (3yrs with a 4th TEAM OPTION) or trade Griff for James who we don't know if he'll sign an extension and may only be here for 30 games or so?

Also, I didn't realize that the Clipps were a playoff contender that year and James would have lifted them to "elite status."

Yes, exactly.  But that didn't stop Chris Paul from stating he wanted to go to the Knicks when the Knicks had nothing to trade.  But it let New Orleans know he wanted out.  Just as Howard has mentioned ciites like Dallas, who have nothing to trade, or the Knicks, who have no one to trade (unless they toss Amare).  But the fact is, they are not pretending one of their destinations was and is their current city.

Unless we know for a fact that James had a list that he would "sign an extension with" then everything is just speculation and what if's. Bottom line is no team is going to give up to what the would have to... to get the best player in the league, who has no intention on signing an extension with said team. This isn't the MLB we're talking about.

Ugh.  The lebron argument again...all I got to say is still no title. 

Ugh.  The lebron argument again...all I got to say is still no title.

Which has nothing to do with this conversation. 

I'll never get over the "oh I'm tired of this conversation so I'll interject my comment and then walk away" person.

OK, fine.  Lebron had every right to be a selfish, egotistical, self promoting jerk that screwed an entire organization and an entire city.  Still doesn't change the fact that he's a selfish, egotistical, self promoting jerk that screwed an entire organization and an entire city.  I personally don't see a title in his future.  He's one of the top all time regular season players and that's it. 

OK, fine.  Lebron had every right to be a selfish, egotistical, self promoting jerk that screwed an entire organization and an entire city.  Still doesn't change the fact that he's a selfish, egotistical, self promoting jerk that screwed an entire organization and an entire city.  I personally don't see a title in his future.  He's one of the top all time regular season players and that's it.

Still has nothing to do with the thread.

Color me silly but I'd actually prefer that my star player plays 100%, gives maximum effort for the duration of his contract and then he's free to go when he wants. 

But that's just me.

Me and you both.

Lebron really never destroyed the fabric of Clevelan and he had every right to leave that hole in the wall for a bigger city. I didn't like how he left with his conference and look at wonderful me mentality, but he had every right to leave. It was on Cleveland to be prepared for that possibility, but instead of getting younger players, then went out and got Shaq Oneal who was far past his prime.  Carmelo is a loser that will never win a championship, but while Lebron has been a mama's boy and a quitter, he will eventually win a championship - book it

Melo has absolutely no transition game whatsoever or defense to offer. He isn't a team player and cares way more about getting his own numbers than the team he's on winning.  Melo is by far the worst of the 3 and the most overrated.  Basically just a streetball 1 on 1 player who only thrives in slowdown isolation.

LeBron is a true natural athlete, whether people want to give him credit for that or not, its accurate. He is a good team player. His main weakness is that he's weak in the head and caves under pressure too much. Since he's on a team with other big stars, he should be able to get by his weakness and eventually win a title. 

Dwight Howard is a beast, a monster rebounder and defender, and a dominator in the paint. Put Howard with a top PG and add a few key role players, and he'll be wearing a ring within 3 years. 

Any team with Melo on it will never get a NBA championship for as long he's on their roster.

I think that lebron and melo are weak.. dwight as soon as he decides to leave will be a weak move as well... what ever happened to the likes of michael jordan  larry bird.. Magic johnson, isiah thomas hakeem olajuon?? these guys stuck it out with the same team and made it work .. they got better and made others look better around them,, all of these players are taking the path of least resistance in my opinion and even if they win a ring with others will be viewed as someone who couldnt figure it out on their own!

still has nothing to do with the thread.

Just like lebron had nothing to do with the thread...

Just like lebron had nothing to do with the thread...

What are you talking about?  This thread is about whether LeBron James leaving Cleveland as a free agent or Carmelo Anthony/Dwight Howard demanding trades is a better situation for leaving your team.  You're talking about LeBron in a fourth quarter or something. 

What tangent are you on?

GH, Bball is the slowest poster on CBS.....It is best that you ignore him.

I don't see how Lebron supposedly had nothing to do with this thread when the thread title is "who is worse LEBRON or Carmelo/Dwight"

Another winner post from bksmaller.  good to see you haven't changed...

GH,

I apologize.  I was mixed up and responding to you not based on this thread.  It's a stupid mistake on my part and reading what I wrote back you had every right to call me out on that one.  Apoligies for not being up to speed there.  It was a busy day...