Careful now. Recruiting isn't technically over on signing day. They don't have to sign on February 1st. Don't send the wrong message O'Brien.

So, I respond to a Rapid Report, and it starts a thread on the message board.  Nice.  Here's what I responded to:

Penn State Rapid Report:  New Penn State coach and current Patriots OC Bill O'Brien said he won't pay much attention to National Signing Day on Wednesday.  "I'll get a fax of our signees.  I already have a pretty good idea of who they are going to be", he said.  "It's really about the Patriots and making sure we're ready for today's practice, tomorrow's meeting and Sunday's game."

This is a very special and important day for the recruits around the country.  Taking no interest in it might not sit well with some of his potential recruits.  I don't know, maybe I took his statement out of context?

I agree with you, but he is juggling all of this at once so I take it with a grain of salt. I think it's obvious he cares about this year's recruiting class because he assembled most of his staff in like two days.

LOL......excuses before signing day even happens?

OBrien will be a long list of Bellicheck coaches who failed at as a HC in NFL and Colllege, Bellicheck is a King, not a King maker.   Every Bellicheck coach is an organizational and details guru.

The fact that in the past 3 weeks Obrien couldnt keep......

1)  Sky Morningwig from flipping out of PSU to Florida (while his dad is OC of Eagles)

2) Cam Williams flipped from PSU to tOSU (his dad played 7 of 11 NFL yrs w Pats and kid is from Roxburry MASS)

3) Armani Reeves flipped from PSU to tOSU (from Roxburry MASS) all

Tells me as the experts said the day of the hire.......what the heck was Penn State thinking, they could have found a million other warm bodys who would have been a better qualified candidate than Bill Obrien, he will be gone in 4 yrs.

WELL BUCKS HAS 7 DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS'

                                                            The difference between you and  most PSU fans is although we love football and enjoy winning seasons ( which we have had a few duh!) we

also know that PSU offers an athelete a great opportunity for a quality education. The athletes that have commited realize that  fact. I wish the best for the recruits who have opted to play elsewhere. Personally not all 4-5 star recruits translate well at the college level much like the  star players translate well into the NFL. 
I think Coach Obrien will do a great job and I am behind him 100%!

We will support our program during this transition and continue to be proud of  the tradition established by Rip Engle and Joe Paterno.



The difference between you Buck and True fans of a great instituion like tOSU is that  they are not bandwagon fans! They like us love to win games but will always stand by their teams
during difficult times.


Thank God you represent a small % of t OSU and anyone with a brain knows that most  tOSU  fans have  much more respect for themselves than to display the obvious ignorance you
post!


                                                                                      

This is a very special and important day for the recruits around the country.  Taking no interest in it might not sit well with some of his potential recruits.

I am with you Bullet.  This is a big day for the kids and fans of the program.  Just a small acknowledgemnt from our new head coach is not too much to ask for and would go a long way.  We all understand that he has made a committment to the Patriots, but at the same time there are hundreds of thousands of the PSU family that want and deserve to be thought of as well.  We have entrusted this man to restore the shine to our football program, he has a lot of work to do.


He'll get a pass on this one, but come next Monday he is Penn State's full time coach and better darn well act like it.      




    

Will penn state get the death penalty for the lack of institutional control?

Why will coach Obrien do a great job?  Tell me......I tell you he will be gone in 4 years for finishing near bottom of division for these reasons:

1) Obrien has never been a HC at any level, he doesnt have the experience, every successful college or NFL HC had prior experience

2) All Bellichek descipals have failed at HC level, Bellicheck himself is a King, but not a king maker (Im not gonna list the 6 that tried)

3) Obrien had nothing to do w Tom Brady and was OC for like a yr, Obrien did nothing at New England

4) Obrien's best identity, if any, is w Patriots, what kid in PA or the midwest is impressed with that? Steelers and Browns country

5) Mike Vrabel from tOSU beat Obrien at MASS recruiting w Cam Williams and Armani Reeves

6) Skyler Mornhingwig docommitted from PSU, his own dad is NFL OC for Eagles and wasnt impressed w Obrien

7) Urban and Hoke will dominate midwest recruiting

8) The ironbelt is not producing the quality of recruits like it did in 70s and 80s, Obrien cant even rely on instate talent only that he gets


LMAO....Tradition?  How many PSU national championships have u witnessed live?  Im not talking about tapes, but live television.

No one who calls themself a PSU fan can touch this huh?   OK, I will let you go get more koolaid.

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I made a list of valid points why you personally will want Obrien fired, yet you can't name any points to the contrary.......oi get it, I'm rude unless I say joepa was great! So call me rude!

I think your rude!

While it's true Belichick's coaches and coordinators haven't been all that successful, it's often over-looked that Nick Saban is off the "Belichick tree" (<- I hate that expression - don't know what it is!-?)  and he's enjoyed his share of success in college.

Lol.....my point exactly. -Saban actually was an asst coach for 25 years before he go his first HC job at Mich St. -then 5 years HC at Mich St -then 5 years HC at LSU -then 2 years HC at Miami Dolphins -then finally at Bama in 2007 Obrien is no where near as qualified now in his first HC job. PSU needed any warm body. Obrien will be gone in 4 years!

Anyone, Anyone?

1) Obrien has never been a HC at any level, he doesnt have the experience, every successful college or NFL HC had prior experience

Every successful college HC had prior experience?  What prior HC experience did Urban Meyer have before his successful stint at BG?

2) All Bellichek descipals have failed at HC level, Bellicheck himself is a King, but not a king maker (Im not gonna list the 6 that tried)

All of them?  I wouldn't call Nick Saban a failure at the HC level, other than his stint with the Dolphins he's been successful every step of the way...

4) Obrien's best identity, if any, is w Patriots, what kid in PA or the midwest is impressed with that? Steelers and Browns country

Charlie Weis had practically no history in South Bend, yet did pretty well recruiting for the Domers.  (Developing his top-5 classes into successful college players was a different matter altogether though.)  NFL names are not nearly as regional as college.

Pennsylvania is Steelers and Browns country?  Have you ever heard of the Philidelphia Eagles?  Pretty sure they consider PA their home state...

Were you at all aware that the East Coast football hotbeds in New Jersey and Maryland have always been some of PSU's most fertile recruiting grounds?  To limit PSU to "PA and the midwest" is pretty uninformed.

LMAO....Tradition?  How many PSU national championships have u witnessed live?  Im not talking about tapes, but live television.

I'd wager most Penn State fans have personally witnessed the same two I have in my 41 years (1982 and 1986.)  Which is one more than my Buckeyes have in my lifetime.  What's your point?  PSU has great tradition, just like Ohio State does.

Anyone, Anyone?

    
   
       

1) exactly......bowling green in the Mac! 2) Saban was an asst for 25 years, then at Mich St as HC for 5 years, LSU as HC for 5 years, Miami Dolphins HC for 2 years, then Bama since 07. 3) lol.....ask any domed what they think about Weiss. PSU is a team of the 70 s and 80s. Your perspective is alone. Keep drinking your kooolaid. JoePa did the right thing too right?

1+2)Funny how you spin and twist when people destroy your ill-thought ideas.  You specifically say "no coach is successful without prior HC experience" then try to spin when numerous examples are brought up of coaches that were successful at their first stop as a HC.


3)My opinion of Weiss is probably lower than most Domer fans, but my point (and your original one, remember) was about required local ties for recruiting.  While Weiss was a pretty crappy HC, he recruited extremely well - without local ties.

4)By your standard (National Championships) Ohio State is largely a team of the 50's and 60's - even more irrelevant than PSU's 70's and 80's.  Your definition is so idiotic as to be beyond defending.


5)And no, I think JoePa should have been fired - probably years before he actually was, and there were so many other things wrong in the way the PSU administration "handled" Jerry Sandusky that I don't even want to go into them here.  But this isn't about Paterno or the Sandusky issue.  It's about your stupid reasons why a coach will or won't be successful, and your use of patently moronic reasoning to support your beliefs.



For the record, I do not expect O'Brien to be successful, and you could very well be right on his timeframe as coach at Penn State.  But if you want some valid reasons why this may be true, Silver Bullet's comments on his attitude toward recruiting is far more likely than your ramblings.  In the end, I think the main reason he will be unsuccessful is simple timing.  No one ever wants to be "the man after the man" - take a look at Luke Fickell for an example of why.  Luke was put in a no-win situation and failed.  The expectations that Ohio State could simply roll on without any noticable hitch after Tressel's firing were simply unreasonable.  O'Brien is in much the same situation at Penn State, IMO.     
     

Lol.....my point exactly. -Saban actually was an asst coach for 25 years before he go his first HC job at Mich St.

Actually, Saban's first head coaching job was at Toledo in 1990 (the Rockets went 9-2).  And for the record, he was only an assistant coach for 15 years (1975-1989) before he got the Toledo gig, unless you want to count three years as a graduate assistant at Kent State.  Adding up his time as an assistant in college, 2 years with the Houston Oilers, his time as a graduate assistant at Kent and his four years under Belicheck, that's 22 years with a head coaching job in the middle of that time.

And I wonder why he isn't part of the Earle Bruce coaching tree consindering the two years he spent at Ohio State prior to working for Belicheck.

Luke at least was from Ohio and was in the program already, learned from Tressel.  Bellicheck descipals all have failed.   Obrien is from any kid in the midwest's arch enemy (well for 2 yrs, not even long time).....the Patriots.